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Topic: Visa problems !!!!!
Posted By: ap sior
Subject: Visa problems !!!!!
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 7:31pm
Seems like Leinster have encountered problems with their SA trip !!!!!

Gibson-Park and Nacewa denied entry to SA as Visa requirements for New Zealander's changed earlier this year.

With 2 kiwis in our squad, I hope that the club are on to this !!!!!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/41254822



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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 7:42pm
Can't see this catching out Mark Taylor. Wayne will have a personal interest in making sure all is well.

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 7:45pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Can't see this catching out Mark Taylor. Wayne will have a personal interest in making sure all is well.

The only other potential problem we have is Tadgh Beirne as he's an Irish national. Our two Saffers should be ok !!!!!

I'm wondering whether we should put the club on alert ? The PRO 14 should advise clubs though !!!


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 8:16pm
  Nacewa and Gibson Park flying home to Dublin on first available flight.

  Scarlets need to get visas sorted for Pivac,Parkes and McNicholl in advance of our trip to SA.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 8:31pm
What passport has Asquith got?

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

What passport has Asquith got?

Australian I would assume.  

Do the new visa arrangements also affect Aussies ?


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 10:30pm
I thought people wanted to get OUT of that place not in! An embarrassment really for everyone.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Seems like Leinster have encountered problems with their SA trip !!!!!

Gibson-Park and Nacewa denied entry to SA as Visa requirements for New Zealander's changed earlier this year.

With 2 kiwis in our squad, I hope that the club are on to this !!!!!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/41254822

What a joke. after all Kiwis are illegally wanting to come into SA in their thousands 😂

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 10:55pm
Schoolboy stuff by the club and the players.

NZ has no visa free or visa on arrival arrangement with SA.

Aus, U.K., and ROI citizens can enter visa free ( ( with a valid passport obviously).

Jonny Mc and Parkes will need to obtain a visa from the SA consulate pre travel.- straight forward ( they may already have one of course).



Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 8:11am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Schoolboy stuff by the club and the players.

NZ has no visa free or visa on arrival arrangement with SA.

Aus, U.K., and ROI citizens can enter visa free ( ( with a valid passport obviously).

Jonny Mc and Parkes will need to obtain a visa from the SA consulate pre travel.- straight forward ( they may already have one of course).


Thanks for filling us in on who needs what... surprisingly amateurish management by Leinster - I'd have expected better from them.


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 8:42am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Schoolboy stuff by the club and the players.

NZ has no visa free or visa on arrival arrangement with SA.

Aus, U.K., and ROI citizens can enter visa free ( ( with a valid passport obviously).

Jonny Mc and Parkes will need to obtain a visa from the SA consulate pre travel.- straight forward ( they may already have one of course).



Not forgetting Pivac....


Posted By: ScarletSpiderman
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 10:29am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Schoolboy stuff by the club and the players.

NZ has no visa free or visa on arrival arrangement with SA.

Aus, U.K., and ROI citizens can enter visa free ( ( with a valid passport obviously).

Jonny Mc and Parkes will need to obtain a visa from the SA consulate pre travel.- straight forward ( they may already have one of course).


Thanks for filling us in on who needs what... surprisingly amateurish management by Leinster - I'd have expected better from them.
 
Or is it a good excuse just incase they are the first to lose to a SA side, "oh we would have won but they stopped our players from playing"


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by ScarletSpiderman ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Schoolboy stuff by the club and the players.

NZ has no visa free or visa on arrival arrangement with SA.

Aus, U.K., and ROI citizens can enter visa free ( ( with a valid passport obviously).

Jonny Mc and Parkes will need to obtain a visa from the SA consulate pre travel.- straight forward ( they may already have one of course).


Thanks for filling us in on who needs what... surprisingly amateurish management by Leinster - I'd have expected better from them.
 
Or is it a good excuse just incase they are the first to lose to a SA side, "oh we would have won but they stopped our players from playing"

An interesting theory, but a bit too machiavellian, methinks!


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Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 3:31pm
as already pointed out by wil - big misshap by Leinster and their players. 

Not sure how long visas last but McNicholl and Parkes have already played rugby in SA so will know the score. 
McNicholl having travelled there with Crusaders, and Parkes travelled with his sides and obviously having played for the Kings. 




Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

as already pointed out by wil - big misshap by Leinster and their players. 

Not sure how long visas last but McNicholl and Parkes have already played rugby in SA so will know the score. 
McNicholl having travelled there with Crusaders, and Parkes travelled with his sides and obviously having played for the Kings. 



I think that that these visa arrangements which apparently affect NZers only came in to effect this year. Parkes and McNichol have not played in SA this year to my knowledge !!!

Anyway, does the visa have to be renewed every visit ? Don't know the answer, but I wouldn't leave any stone un-turned !!


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

as already pointed out by wil - big misshap by Leinster and their players. 

Not sure how long visas last but McNicholl and Parkes have already played rugby in SA so will know the score. 
McNicholl having travelled there with Crusaders, and Parkes travelled with his sides and obviously having played for the Kings. 



I think that that these visa arrangements which apparently affect NZers only came in to effect this year. Parkes and McNichol have not played in SA this year to my knowledge !!!

Anyway, does the visa have to be renewed every visit ? Don't know the answer, but I wouldn't leave any stone un-turned !!

Probably has to be renewed, but for Parkes, it may be strong in his favour that he has already lived there for a while - probably a visa that has run out by now but point is they know the score. 

I thought these arrangements had been in for a while. but could very well be wrong on that.  

I know people from UK used to have a free visa in South Africa for 3 months. not sure if thats still the case. 
May not apply to parkes though...Welsh Qualified soon!! Depending on when he qualifies and when the fixtures are. 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 5:11pm
Parkes WQ 1/12/17, but he still carries a NZ passport ?


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Parkes WQ 1/12/17, but he still carries a NZ passport ?


Of course he does..... Just because you're qualified to play rugby for Wales doesn't mean you have a UK passport..... 


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Parkes WQ 1/12/17, but he still carries a NZ passport ?


Of course he does..... Just because you're qualified to play rugby for Wales doesn't mean you have a UK passport..... 
it also means he qualifies for a UK passport on residency.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 6:13pm
UK/Irish/Aus players in our squad get an auto 90 Day entry visa ...

Applications for visa's (as Messrs Parkes, McNichol and Pivac may need) are for minimum 6 months...max 2 years.

It's the New Zealanders fault...they blocked visa on arrival for all Saffers last November...all the Saffers have done is reciprocate...

Known in my trade as Border ping pong...lives and breaths it every day I does...



Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Parkes WQ 1/12/17, but he still carries a NZ passport ?


Of course he does..... Just because you're qualified to play rugby for Wales doesn't mean you have a UK passport..... 

it also means he qualifies for a UK passport on residency.


Thought that was 5 years with a load of other gumf to go through?


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Parkes WQ 1/12/17, but he still carries a NZ passport ?


Of course he does..... Just because you're qualified to play rugby for Wales doesn't mean you have a UK passport..... 

it also means he qualifies for a UK passport on residency.


Thought that was 5 years with a load of other gumf to go through?


Ah could very well be


Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 11:22am
Good to let some other teams go first, in this instance! Scarlets & PRW are aware of the reasons for the admin slip-up so we shouldn't see a repeat of this when the Welsh teams tour. Just stick close to Werner & Bulbring, anyway. Wink

Will have disrupted Leinster's preparations a little, but I'm really interested to see how the SA teams go at home this weekend - lots of free tickets being thrown around to get the crowds in, so atmosphere could be warm even if the weather in PE looks decidedly Celtic on Saturday evening.

Bit toastier in Bloem for Zebre, mind! Switching to the SA summer mid-season could be as tricky as acclimatising to a Welsh winter. Cool



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Posted By: Dafen Boy
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 3:02pm
Very poor from the Pro 14.  Amateur hour.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 6:03pm
Is it the Pro 14 issue though?


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 6:29pm
It's the people/club organising the travel, imo.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 6:50pm
At least it's going to save you a fortune EP once the Severn Bridge Tolls are dropped! One happy little Piggy Bank then! Wink (assuming no post Brexit visas! )

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

At least it's going to save you a fortune EP once the Severn Bridge Tolls are dropped! One happy little Piggy Bank then! Wink (assuming no post Brexit visas! )
Usually cross the bridge heading east, only.

Always prefer the Cotswolds, M50 and Heads of Valleys.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 September 2017 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

At least it's going to save you a fortune EP once the Severn Bridge Tolls are dropped! One happy little Piggy Bank then! Wink (assuming no post Brexit visas! )
Usually cross the bridge heading east, only.

Always prefer the Cotswolds, M50 and Heads of Valleys.

Cunning planning befitting a leading Financial Planner !!
The civil engineering work up on Heads of the Valley is pretty major and pretty impressive. EU funded I gather , But that is another tale 🤔

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