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Topic: Tigers
Posted By: multinational
Subject: Tigers
Date Posted: 07 August 2018 at 1:41pm
Keeping up to date on the tigers and it appears we may have an advantage in the front row given their departure / arrival differential.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/45095468

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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 07 August 2018 at 2:57pm
I think this could be the 1st time since 2002 that we will have a front row to compete with them. But I fancy us to dominate them for once this time round.

Our front row are extremly under rated, also our depth coming off the bench too.


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 August 2018 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

I think this could be the 1st time since 2002 that we will have a front row to compete with them. But I fancy us to dominate them for once this time round.

Our front row are extremly under rated, also our depth coming off the bench too.


Totally agree, I think we can match the majority of sides in the NH.


Posted By: Exkixu
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 8:37am
Huge year for Ken I reckon (and Rob and Samson)

I've watched quite a few games from Thomson (not so much from Cassiem) and although he is a very good player we will miss Barclay's leadership. Looking at our senior players and who can fill that role, I think Ken stands out. 


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 10:31am
Originally posted by Exkixu Exkixu wrote:

Huge year for Ken I reckon (and Rob and Samson)

I've watched quite a few games from Thomson (not so much from Cassiem) and although he is a very good player we will miss Barclay's leadership. Looking at our senior players and who can fill that role, I think Ken stands out. 


I agree we will miss Barclay but we will also miss Scott (and Emyr- watch the last 10 minutes of the semi final win over Leinster- he led the forwards through that 10 minutes). We have had an outstanding leadership group for a couple of years now rather than a particular captain. To use a cliche- "all singing from the same hymn sheet" and that is a big tribute to the individuals concerned and to the coaches. We still have Ken, Hadleigh and Foxy of that group but it is time for the next generation to step up- Cawdor, Jake, Rob etcetera. This is leadership by quiet word, a glance and example. Not the decision making that we expect from our flyhalves.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 12:04pm
Completely thatvthe experience of Barclay, Scott and Emyr will be missed.
Leadership we have Ken obviously as captain. We have lost in essence 3 of our vice captains. When ken wasn’t around, Scott had the arm band. In previous seasons it was Barclay. When Scott and ken weren’t around and Barclay Emyr has the arm band. I liked him as a captain and have no doubt he will go on to become a successful coach. Seems to have the minerals.

With ken, halfpenny, Parkes, Foxy etc all likely to be away with wales, it’s the leadership during those times that will be key. Who do we go for? Steff Hughes is highly thought of. But he will need to be surrounded by leaders as well. I have no idea how the new recruits are in this area. Bullbring? Kruger? McNicholl? Can these be be turned to? Next season we will need even more from them seeing that the World Cup goes up to until Christmas so we will be without our internationals possibly til January by the time they come back, break, training to get back in the swing of our set up which will be under a new coach. Leaders will play a HUGE role this season and next season. Areas we need to nail 100% correct from the off.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Completely thatvthe experience of Barclay, Scott and Emyr will be missed.
Leadership we have Ken obviously as captain. We have lost in essence 3 of our vice captains. When ken wasn’t around, Scott had the arm band. In previous seasons it was Barclay. When Scott and ken weren’t around and Barclay Emyr has the arm band. I liked him as a captain and have no doubt he will go on to become a successful coach. Seems to have the minerals.

With ken, halfpenny, Parkes, Foxy etc all likely to be away with wales, it’s the leadership during those times that will be key. Who do we go for? Steff Hughes is highly thought of. But he will need to be surrounded by leaders as well. I have no idea how the new recruits are in this area. Bullbring? Kruger? McNicholl? Can these be be turned to? Next season we will need even more from them seeing that the World Cup goes up to until Christmas so we will be without our internationals possibly til January by the time they come back, break, training to get back in the swing of our set up which will be under a new coach. Leaders will play a HUGE role this season and next season. Areas we need to nail 100% correct from the off.

Very good points made. Pivac likes a local preferably Welsh speaking captain. Looking at our potential team during International breaks :-

15. Clayton 14. Jonny 13. Fonotia 12. Steff 11. Asquith 10. Dan 9. Evans
8. Casseim 7. Cubby 6. Blade 5. Cummins 4. Bulbring 3. Werne 2. Ryan 1. Dylan.

Potential leaders there are Steff & Ryan. Hopefully Tom Phillips can put his injuries behind him and step up as he is another with leadership experience who fits the bill. 


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 12:23pm
It will be nice to play the Tigers with a decent chance, so many years we have gone to Welford road and come up short, either through injury crisis, poor game management or just a poor squad. Only once did we really push them and David McHugh disallowed a perfectly good try to deny us the win.

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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 12:39pm
I think our 2 overseas backrow signings will bring a lot of leadership. having heard cassiem talk in his presser the other week he came over as a calm experienced player. its massive losing jon/scott as leaders but there are enough experienced players now in the squad to take us forward.


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Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 12:57pm
GPR-----Cubby will be away as well!!!!

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

GPR-----Cubby will be away as well!!!!

Dai38 - I am fully with you on that but I have this feeling, with Gatland in charge, that Tipuric and Jenkins will be first choice 7's. I have been one of Cubby's most vociferous supporters as the most complete 7 in Welsh rugby; in fact I would go further & say European rugby but I seem to be in the minority.

Cubby will get his International reward once Wayne is in charge I have no doubt.


Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 1:49pm
I was lucky to be in Argentina, and what I saw there was a new Cubby, a less flamboyant one maybe, but still a pain in the backside to the opposition while popping up frequently with really good support play, I think he's convinced the coaching staff that he should be in the squad.

I honestly see Jenkins and maybe Tupuric even used as blindsides hence my somewhat biased thoughts that he'll be in the squad, especially with Shingler out.


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Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 1:52pm
Rightly or wrongly, I'd not be surprised to see the Welsh back row Garland goes for this season as 6 Moriarty 8 Falatau, 7 Navidi. Especially against Ireland when he will want strong gain-line tacklers.


Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 1:58pm
May well be but we have horses for courses now, and can easily mix & match, so that is why I feel Cubby is needed, I also feel he's pushed in front of Tupuric after the summer as he has shown that he can really get stuck in as well as show a backs skill with ball in hand, and do it when it counts, not in a BABA's game.

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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 2:01pm
back to topic, I think we have a genuine chance up there against Leicester as well as ulster. racing will be very very tough. we play like we can play we can certainly get some results in this group although obviously all the matches will be hard

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Posted By: henry_winkler
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 8:51am
For me Navidi is just a poor man's Lydiate, all he does is tackle.
If he's in it should be at 6 but I think Ellis will be 6 with Moriarty injured or benched


Posted By: diego6754
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 9:40am
For me I wouldn't swap Cubby for anyone in the UK or Europe. If you want your 7 to be a 7 he does it all, and in terms of physicality punches above his weight. Agree Navidi is more of a 6, a very good one at that. Tips is superb in open play but his turnover work is overrated, he is not prolific at winning turnover ball, and modern rugby is so much about turnover ball.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 9:47am
We shouldn’t underestimate Leicester. They’re a quality team in times of change. I’m very confident against almost all teams in Europe atm. The only ones I’m a bit cautious about is Leinster and saracens. And we won’t bevplaying them until the semi and final

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 9:48am
Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

For me I wouldn't swap Cubby for anyone in the UK or Europe. If you want your 7 to be a 7 he does it all, and in terms of physicality punches above his weight. Agree Navidi is more of a 6, a very good one at that. Tips is superb in open play but his turnover work is overrated, he is not prolific at winning turnover ball, and modern rugby is so much about turnover ball.

I couldn't agree more. Modern day 7's have to be able to compete very hard at the breakdown but must also be able to act as a link player requiring skills possessed by centres. Tipuric and Cubby are the only 7's that have played in Welsh rugby over the past 5 years that possess these link skills. Cubby is also one of the best breakdown players around, much better than Tipuric in my opinion, so should be the automatic choice at 7 for Wales.


Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 1:20pm
I'd have Cubby at 7 but just saying I think Gats will go Moriarty, Falatau, Navidi especially against Ireland.

Got to say though that I think Navidi was immense last year and if he plays the same this year there's a strong case to get him in there somewhere. But as we know we are blessed as a nation with great back row options and anyone of Cubby, Jenkins, Tuperic, Navidi and Young would walk into the England team at 7 if they were English


Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

For me Navidi is just a poor man's Lydiate, all he does is tackle.
If he's in it should be at 6 but I think Ellis will be 6 with Moriarty injured or benched

Sounds like you have that the wrong way around. Lydiate only tackles. Navidi mad some good yards in the AIs.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 5:48pm
I think that is tough on Navidi, he has played 6 7 and 8 to a very good standard. He is far more of a tackler. as good as Ellis at 7 but with the brain to play anywhere across the back row. for these reasons he offers far more than chop tackle lydiate.

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 7:05pm
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?

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Posted By: SAV
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 7:48pm
Why are we talking about tigers . We owe them big time . Just get on the field and do a job on them .

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 8:30pm
[QUOTE=ladram] For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes
 

I recall we beat them possibly in the Anglo Welsh or similar few years back when Cockers was coach and he shortly poached Owen Williams of us !!


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 10:19pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?
Your right Ladram-confidence is one thing but blinkered naivety is another. Confused 

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Posted By: Havard Fan
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 11:11pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes
 

I recall we beat them possibly in the Anglo Welsh or similar few years back when Cockers was coach and he shortly poached Owen Williams of us !!


The Anglo Welsh win was 2011, but we beat them 15 - 3 in October 2014. They smashed us back at their home ground then if I remember correctly.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 6:57am
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram] For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.
great day.


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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 7:53am
it was a great day beating a quality quality team. tigers are not of that standard at the moment but they have a very good squad and a tremendous set up and tradition. do not underestimate any English side. but it would be nice to win up there Tongue

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Posted By: Exkixu
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 9:02am
Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes

Was it not Scott? He was subbed early on. And IIRC Ball got injured or fell ill right before the game too.


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 9:37am
Originally posted by Havard Fan Havard Fan wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes
 

I recall we beat them possibly in the Anglo Welsh or similar few years back when Cockers was coach and he shortly poached Owen Williams of us !!


The Anglo Welsh win was 2011, but we beat them 15 - 3 in October 2014. They smashed us back at their home ground then if I remember correctly.

Sounds right. I remember some crowing  from Scarlets fans as he walked down from the stand towards the end at Cockers who gave his own sarcy stick back as you would expect of someone as feisty as him -its always the little un's you know Wink He got his own back of course and more in the next game plus Owen Williams. He had the last laugh for sure!


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 10:43am
Frankly there are no teams in Europe that can afford to take anyone lightly even Leinster. One of the true signs of a top side is that they never underestimate anyone & turn up with total focus. That remains a weakness in our squad - we have the odd moments where we are off the pace & we pay the price. Two games against Benetton last season spring to mind along with Ulster away.

Leicester Tigers are not the side they were thats for sure - a fully focused Scarlet team fully loaded should come out on top both home and away. As ever the away game will be interesting. Of all this years venues Welford Road is the rugby experience I would choose.


Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 11:38am
Originally posted by Exkixu Exkixu wrote:

Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes


Was it not Scott? He was subbed early on. And IIRC Ball got injured or fell ill right before the game too.
Pretty sure it was a Rich Kelly, broke his forearm and played on for a significant amount of time. Their winger messed up and gifted us a try. Remember it being a cracking atmosphere.


Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 11:42am
Leicester improved a lot during the end of the season, and as per talk within the English rugby scene a team everyone hates to play against. 

Scarlets must be focused, and concentrate or we will loose, so to write them off before a ball is passed/kicked is foolish, do we remember Dec 2017,  2 minutes to go and we were out of Europe, Leicester are a far better team than Treviso.


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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 11:48am
top side Leicester with great support. old fashion rugby club. looking forward to going there and them visiting us. will be incredibly tough both games (as will all the pool games). but if we cant be up for these and show confidence then we shouldn't be playing in the tournament.
Cant Wait!!!

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Posted By: Exkixu
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by Exkixu Exkixu wrote:

Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes


Was it not Scott? He was subbed early on. And IIRC Ball got injured or fell ill right before the game too.
Pretty sure it was a Rich Kelly, broke his forearm and played on for a significant amount of time. Their winger messed up and gifted us a try. Remember it being a cracking atmosphere.

Yeah I was at that game, it wasn't high end stuff on the field but the atmosphere was really great. 
I think you are right about Kelly, but Scott definately left the field very early as well. Coupled with Ball not making it into the team I remember thinking our chances had gone down pretty fast 20 minutes into the game.


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Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 12:54pm
Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.



Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.


I guess we have to ask the question which of the above team would we select in our first 15? Putting away my rose coloured specs i would still only identify Genge, Cole, Denton, Ford & Veainu as players who would make our 23 with only Denton & Veainu possible starters.


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.

Genge is out long term
 
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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.

Genge is out long term
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44860615" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44860615
 
 Toomua has returned to Austrailia I think ?


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.

Agree completely. Leicester will be a very tough nut to crack

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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 5:31pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.

Genge is out long term
 
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 Toomua has returned to Austrailia I think ?


For the rugby championship. Tigers are apparently insisting that he returns to them for the rest weekends. So Toomua is going to clock up an air mile or six (hundred thousand). The primary victim of this club v country spat is going to be the player but because he suffers, both his teams will as well.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 6:37pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by Exkixu Exkixu wrote:

Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

[QUOTE=ladram]
For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes


Was it not Scott? He was subbed early on. And IIRC Ball got injured or fell ill right before the game too.
Pretty sure it was a Rich Kelly, broke his forearm and played on for a significant amount of time. Their winger messed up and gifted us a try. Remember it being a cracking atmosphere.
Yes, it was Richard Kelly with the injury that ended his career.

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Posted By: M.M.
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 8:49pm
Anybody who thinks that Leicester (and Racing & Ulster) are easy opponents is a fool.


Posted By: diego6754
Date Posted: 11 August 2018 at 10:41am
Leicester are always going to be 'strong' all the Aviva sides are. They do not have the power or class they once had though and we really should be looking at a home win and nicking the away fixture, same probably applies for Ulster. Leicester are one of those 'the sum is not greater than the individual parts teams' at the moment. Genge is out, Tuilagi is made of china, Ford is over rated and struggles without the safety net of Farrell outside him. They are also getting the reputation of having a bit of a soft under belly if you can get on top of them early. Tough nut but no fear factor.

Go through the Leicester team above and ask yourself how many get in to our first 15. I'd have Cole and that is probably about it and even that is a toss up. Maybe Denton but that's without having a proper look at Cassiem, I get the feeling probably not. If fit Tuilagi is some player but i'd prefer Foxy, Toomua is a class operator but i'd take Parkesy. I'd have Rob over Genge and definitely Patch over Ford. The rest are almost no brainers. I'm not saying they don't have quality, i'm saying we have a lot more.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 August 2018 at 11:00am
Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

Leicester are always going to be 'strong' all the Aviva sides are. They do not have the power or class they once had though and we really should be looking at a home win and nicking the away fixture, same probably applies for Ulster. Leicester are one of those 'the sum is not greater than the individual parts teams' at the moment. Genge is out, Tuilagi is made of china, Ford is over rated and struggles without the safety net of Farrell outside him. They are also getting the reputation of having a bit of a soft under belly if you can get on top of them early. Tough nut but no fear factor.

Go through the Leicester team above and ask yourself how many get in to our first 15. I'd have Cole and that is probably about it and even that is a toss up. Maybe Denton but that's without having a proper look at Cassiem, I get the feeling probably not. If fit Tuilagi is some player but i'd prefer Foxy, Toomua is a class operator but i'd take Parkesy. I'd have Rob over Genge and definitely Patch over Ford. The rest are almost no brainers. I'm not saying they don't have quality, i'm saying we have a lot more.

I agree as stated above. Maybe 5 of the named Leicester team above in our 23 with 1 or max 2 starting. Nobody should be expecting any easy rides in Europe - the 20 teams are after all the cream of the crop. Dare I say it the easy fixtures occur where the Ospreys are playing!!!!!

Any of the 20 teams will be very difficult to beat on their own turf; as ever the last 8 will come from the teams that can perform away. Our recent form should give us great confidence - Munster & Leinster in 2017; Bath & Glasgow last season. It is not arrogance or over confidence to suggest that we can go to all 3 of our opponents & win. It will take a huge effort and total concentration from minute one but it is achievable. Gone are the days where we were looked upon as cannon fodder & long may that continue. 


Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 11 August 2018 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.



I guess we have to ask the question which of the above team would we select in our first 15? Putting away my rose coloured specs i would still only identify Genge, Cole, Denton, Ford & Veainu as players who would make our 23 with only Denton & Veainu possible starters.
Have to disagree here- Cole, Denton, Ben Youngs (on his day), Veainu, Tuilagi would all push for a starting spot and Genge, Polota-Nau, Kitchener, O’Connor, Ford, Toomua could all have a case to make our 23.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 August 2018 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.



I guess we have to ask the question which of the above team would we select in our first 15? Putting away my rose coloured specs i would still only identify Genge, Cole, Denton, Ford & Veainu as players who would make our 23 with only Denton & Veainu possible starters.
Have to disagree here- Cole, Denton, Ben Youngs (on his day), Veainu, Tuilagi would all push for a starting spot and Genge, Polota-Nau, Kitchener, O’Connor, Ford, Toomua could all have a case to make our 23.

I had Veainu & Denton pushing to start - Genge is not the player that Rob is and he would be pushed to get in ahead of Wyn. Cole was on my bench; Tuilagi would not get in ahead of Foxy surely? Youngs would be behind both Cawdor and Hidalgo-Clyne in my book. Ford & Toomua would be bench at most. Not impressed by O'Connor frankly & don't know a lot about Polota-Nau but he would have to be good to get in ahead of Ken or Ryan and Kitchener is behind Ball & would be a toss up with Cummins, Bulbring or Rawlins. 

In all honesty with everyone fit I could pick two sets of 4-8 from our squad which would be as good/better than their first choice. 


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 11 August 2018 at 12:37pm
They are a quality team full of very good players. So have we. Will be very very tough to beat them, but on our day we are certainly capable.

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Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 11 August 2018 at 12:48pm
Man for man it looks as if we have a clear advantage, but from my limited experience of English midlands' sides they  tend to opt for a forward oriented team game, where denying possession to the opposition, is more important than individual brilliance. It is therefore not always instructive to make man for man comparisons, and besides we will have a fair number of newcomers to knit into the "Scarlet Way" so it will probably be closer than many of us think.


Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 11 August 2018 at 2:16pm
Not sure how anyone would pick Dan Cole to start in a combined team (very good scrummager but a bit of a liability for most of the other 75 minutes).

one of the beautiful things about rugby though is that it is such a team game and so man for man comparisons offen not particularly useful. Tigers will play like their lives depend on it and will be inspired by the Welford Road crowd as usual. Very tricky team to have in your group - but I'm confident all he sams


Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 12:30am
Well they beat Cardiff today.......

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Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 9:01am
Yep but neither side near fill strength and warm up so ..... I mean Bristol were unlucky not to beat us last season in pre season


Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

Not sure how anyone would pick Dan Cole to start in a combined team (very good scrummager but a bit of a liability for most of the other 75 minutes).

one of the beautiful things about rugby though is that it is such a team game and so man for man comparisons offen not particularly useful. Tigers will play like their lives depend on it and will be inspired by the Welford Road crowd as usual. Very tricky team to have in your group - but I'm confident all he sams
Really? Twice Lions tourist and over 80 international appearances? I like Samson as much as the next guy but we need to be a bit more realistic.


Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 7:17pm
I'd much rather have Samson and if there was a Lion's tour in 2019 I'd expect him to be picked above Cole. All IMO of course. But other than his scrummaging I've never been impressed with Dan Cole and he is one of those players who can't seem to stop himself giving away old skool penalties.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 8:08pm
Dan Cole is a good prop. Nothing else. He has made that spot his own in the English team because there’s no other quality TH pushing him. And as he is English he has been bragged up wey more than his actual value.

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