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Posted By: CRYS16
Subject: Project Reset Q&A evening with Nigel Short
Date Posted: 09 January 2019 at 10:37am
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Project Reset
 

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Blwyddyn Newydd Dda! Happy New Year!

 

Mae "Project Reset" yn un o'r digwyddiadau mwyaf arwyddocaol yn hanes diweddar rygbi Cymru. Ymunwch â ni am:
Project Reset is one of the most significant events in recent Welsh rugby history. Join us in January for:

Project Reset: What it means for the Scarlets and Welsh rugby.
An audience with Scarlets Chairman Nigel Short 

Ionawr 15fed 2019 / 15th January 2019
7:00PM, Quinnell Lounge, Parc Y Scarlets

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Posted By: trident
Date Posted: 09 January 2019 at 10:48am
Fantastic work by Crys16 again, we’ll done and thank you.
Not sure whether any of the other regions supporters have such access to those running both the rugby and business sides of the organisation, but for me it shows both the region and Crys16 in a very positive light.


Posted By: CRYS16
Date Posted: 09 January 2019 at 11:18am
We hope to make an announcement soon about 2 further exciting events for Scarlets supporters.

Keep an eye out for these. We are working on them at the moment !!



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Posted By: CRYS16
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 9:29am
Just a quick reminder to our members of tomorrow night's event. Jon Daniels has confirmed that he will also be there to answer your questions. We at the Scarlets are fortunate to have significant access to the Club's senior officials, players and coaches, so come along and find out the latest on the new Professional Rugby Agreement.

Additionally, we are now in a position to announce another evening for our members where possibly some very contentious issues in our game will be discussed, and again members will have an opportunity to ask searching questions of those that matter/are in the know !!!!

If you are not currently a member, perhaps your membership has expired, or on the other hand you may never have been a member, you are welcome to come along and you can join on the night. 

Should you wish to join or renew tomorrow evening, could we ask you to be there by 6.30 so that we can attend to the formalities before we start at 7 pm.


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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:51am
going to be very interesting in what nigel and jon say in the meeting. lot of social media on about not enough money going to regions, lots of rubbish rumours flying around. rugby paper giving list of players who may be on the move away from regions.
will be nice to hear from people who are in the meeting what is exactly happening. we are so fortunate to have such a progressive management at the scarlets.
trying to get to the meeting but work may get in the way.
 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 11:23am
Project Reset was welcomed with a huge fanfare and promises of more money for the regions. It has fallen a little flat on its face in my opinion because it has failed to gain widespread agreement, failed to deliver serious increases in playing budget & delayed the procurement of talent so needed by each region. 

All this while across the border the Premiership sides are about to experience a windfall of in excess of £20 million per team along with promises of huge increases in TV revenues. Players need certainty and who could blame a player like Sam Davies for deciding to further his career in England when a firm offer from Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter arrives. Nearer to home how does this affect a player like Jonny McNichol. He will be being pressurised by suitors from abroad to make his mind up or else they will take their pot of gold and offer it to someone else. 

Very difficult times. 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Project Reset was welcomed with a huge fanfare and promises of more money for the regions. It has fallen a little flat on its face in my opinion because it has failed to gain widespread agreement, failed to deliver serious increases in playing budget & delayed the procurement of talent so needed by each region. 

All this while across the border the Premiership sides are about to experience a windfall of in excess of £20 million per team along with promises of huge increases in TV revenues. Players need certainty and who could blame a player like Sam Davies for deciding to further his career in England when a firm offer from Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter arrives. Nearer to home how does this affect a player like Jonny McNichol. He will be being pressurised by suitors from abroad to make his mind up or else they will take their pot of gold and offer it to someone else. 

Very difficult times. 

Some pretty negative stuff there GPR. Asquith is reported to have said that he's happy to sign a new 2 year deal. I can only assume that he's been offered one ? Perhaps your line on recruitment is not quite accurate ?

You also raise some questions that Nigel and Jon may be able to answer. Personally I'd prefer to see what is said tomorrow evening, particularly how it affects the Scarlets before giving an opinion. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 12:57pm
I make no apology for sounding negative/realistic because I am yet to be convinced that we have something positive to celebrate as Project Reset was originally intended. It seems, to all intents & purpose, that playing budgets are being massaged with very little new money on the table. I hope I am proved wrong. 


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 2:22pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Project Reset was welcomed with a huge fanfare and promises of more money for the regions. It has fallen a little flat on its face in my opinion because it has failed to gain widespread agreement, failed to deliver serious increases in playing budget & delayed the procurement of talent so needed by each region. 

All this while across the border the Premiership sides are about to experience a windfall of in excess of £20 million per team along with promises of huge increases in TV revenues. Players need certainty and who could blame a player like Sam Davies for deciding to further his career in England when a firm offer from Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter arrives. Nearer to home how does this affect a player like Jonny McNichol. He will be being pressurised by suitors from abroad to make his mind up or else they will take their pot of gold and offer it to someone else. 

Very difficult times. 

Some pretty negative stuff there GPR. Asquith is reported to have said that he's happy to sign a new 2 year deal. I can only assume that he's been offered one ? Perhaps your line on recruitment is not quite accurate ?

You also raise some questions that Nigel and Jon may be able to answer. Personally I'd prefer to see what is said tomorrow evening, particularly how it affects the Scarlets before giving an opinion. 
asquith and prydie reported to have agreed to stay. probably cant be confirmed until project reset is done. Rob Evs another as the old saying of: most retention is complete of the players we wanted to keep.


Posted By: Huwbach
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 7:45pm
These are great nights but unfortunately I haven’t really been able to attend since I had kids and work is busier. Hope everyone has a great night.


Posted By: henry_winkler
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 7:58pm
I can't make it maybe someone can ask about this

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plan-ospreys-scarlets-dragons-15676696.amp

I don't believe a word so if it is nonsense then maybe the wru and 4 regions should boycott the Fail for any interviews/articles.


All of their negative press can't be helping the situation


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

I can't make it maybe someone can ask about this

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plan-ospreys-scarlets-dragons-15676696.amp

I don't believe a word so if it is nonsense then maybe the wru and 4 regions should boycott the Fail for any interviews/articles.


All of their negative press can't be helping the situation

There isn't a cat in hell's chance that the directors of Cardiff or Scarlets would accept merging with their rivals. The Dragons won't get a say in the matter and I'm not entirely sure that the Ospreys directors have any long term plans, so perhaps it would be a dignified exit for them.


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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Project Reset was welcomed with a huge fanfare and promises of more money for the regions. It has fallen a little flat on its face in my opinion because it has failed to gain widespread agreement, failed to deliver serious increases in playing budget & delayed the procurement of talent so needed by each region. 

All this while across the border the Premiership sides are about to experience a windfall of in excess of £20 million per team along with promises of huge increases in TV revenues. Players need certainty and who could blame a player like Sam Davies for deciding to further his career in England when a firm offer from Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter arrives. Nearer to home how does this affect a player like Jonny McNichol. He will be being pressurised by suitors from abroad to make his mind up or else they will take their pot of gold and offer it to someone else. 

Very difficult times. 
The problems as far as I can tell are:
The Ospreys' directors have had enough of writing cheques
WRU forced Peter Thomas out with promises of extra cash for pro rugby and now there's some uncertainty he's decided not to pay the bills for the rest of the season.

The agreement seemed to be sewn up back in the Summer of 2018, but clearly there's been a lot happening since them.


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

I can't make it maybe someone can ask about this

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plan-ospreys-scarlets-dragons-15676696.amp

I don't believe a word so if it is nonsense then maybe the wru and 4 regions should boycott the Fail for any interviews/articles.


All of their negative press can't be helping the situation

There isn't a cat in hell's chance that the directors of Cardiff or Scarlets would accept merging with their rivals. The Dragons won't get a say in the matter and I'm not entirely sure that the Ospreys directors have any long term plans, so perhaps it would be a dignified exit for them.

Getting AWJ and Beard would solve our second row problem !!!! I'd have Scott too and Tipuric. Not sure about anyone else !!!!!



Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

I can't make it maybe someone can ask about this

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plan-ospreys-scarlets-dragons-15676696.amp

I don't believe a word so if it is nonsense then maybe the wru and 4 regions should boycott the Fail for any interviews/articles.


All of their negative press can't be helping the situation

There isn't a cat in hell's chance that the directors of Cardiff or Scarlets would accept merging with their rivals. The Dragons won't get a say in the matter and I'm not entirely sure that the Ospreys directors have any long term plans, so perhaps it would be a dignified exit for them.

Getting AWJ and Beard would solve our second row problem !!!! I'd have Scott too and Tipuric. Not sure about anyone else !!!!!

Well let me rephrase that. If the merged team were to play in Scarlet and be based in Llanelli, we might get some movement. 


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Project Reset was welcomed with a huge fanfare and promises of more money for the regions. It has fallen a little flat on its face in my opinion because it has failed to gain widespread agreement, failed to deliver serious increases in playing budget & delayed the procurement of talent so needed by each region. 

All this while across the border the Premiership sides are about to experience a windfall of in excess of £20 million per team along with promises of huge increases in TV revenues. Players need certainty and who could blame a player like Sam Davies for deciding to further his career in England when a firm offer from Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter arrives. Nearer to home how does this affect a player like Jonny McNichol. He will be being pressurised by suitors from abroad to make his mind up or else they will take their pot of gold and offer it to someone else. 

Very difficult times. 
The problems as far as I can tell are:
The Ospreys' directors have had enough of writing cheques
WRU forced Peter Thomas out with promises of extra cash for pro rugby and now there's some uncertainty he's decided not to pay the bills for the rest of the season.

The agreement seemed to be sewn up back in the Summer of 2018, but clearly there's been a lot happening since them.

I read somewhere some time ago that Blyth is standing down and they were courting the owner of Princes Gate to take over. I think that plan has fallen by the wayside because it has gone very quiet. If he'd stepped in, there would have been fanfares celebrating his arrival.



Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

I can't make it maybe someone can ask about this

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plan-ospreys-scarlets-dragons-15676696.amp

I don't believe a word so if it is nonsense then maybe the wru and 4 regions should boycott the Fail for any interviews/articles.


All of their negative press can't be helping the situation

There isn't a cat in hell's chance that the directors of Cardiff or Scarlets would accept merging with their rivals. The Dragons won't get a say in the matter and I'm not entirely sure that the Ospreys directors have any long term plans, so perhaps it would be a dignified exit for them.

Getting AWJ and Beard would solve our second row problem !!!! I'd have Scott too and Tipuric. Not sure about anyone else !!!!!

Well let me rephrase that. If the merged team were to play in Scarlet and be based in Llanelli, we might get some movement. 

I think they'd have to. O's don't own their ground, and currently there's a dispute as to who is responsible for the maintenance of the stadium which has a problem with rust.


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Project Reset was welcomed with a huge fanfare and promises of more money for the regions. It has fallen a little flat on its face in my opinion because it has failed to gain widespread agreement, failed to deliver serious increases in playing budget & delayed the procurement of talent so needed by each region. 

All this while across the border the Premiership sides are about to experience a windfall of in excess of £20 million per team along with promises of huge increases in TV revenues. Players need certainty and who could blame a player like Sam Davies for deciding to further his career in England when a firm offer from Bristol, Harlequins or Exeter arrives. Nearer to home how does this affect a player like Jonny McNichol. He will be being pressurised by suitors from abroad to make his mind up or else they will take their pot of gold and offer it to someone else. 

Very difficult times. 
The problems as far as I can tell are:
The Ospreys' directors have had enough of writing cheques
WRU forced Peter Thomas out with promises of extra cash for pro rugby and now there's some uncertainty he's decided not to pay the bills for the rest of the season.

The agreement seemed to be sewn up back in the Summer of 2018, but clearly there's been a lot happening since them.

I read somewhere some time ago that Blyth is standing down and they were courting the owner of Princes Gate to take over. I think that plan has fallen by the wayside because it has gone very quiet. If he'd stepped in, there would have been fanfares celebrating his arrival.

David Jones didn't, in the end, step in. They have a new chairman - Mike James who bankrolled them for years - and the all-whites before them. Rob Davies/Mike James and Roger Blyth have always been the men behind the Os. Blyth stood down in Nov


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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

I can't make it maybe someone can ask about this

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plan-ospreys-scarlets-dragons-15676696.amp

I don't believe a word so if it is nonsense then maybe the wru and 4 regions should boycott the Fail for any interviews/articles.


All of their negative press can't be helping the situation

There isn't a cat in hell's chance that the directors of Cardiff or Scarlets would accept merging with their rivals. The Dragons won't get a say in the matter and I'm not entirely sure that the Ospreys directors have any long term plans, so perhaps it would be a dignified exit for them.

Getting AWJ and Beard would solve our second row problem !!!! I'd have Scott too and Tipuric. Not sure about anyone else !!!!!

Well let me rephrase that. If the merged team were to play in Scarlet and be based in Llanelli, we might get some movement. 

I think they'd have to. O's don't own their ground, and currently there's a dispute as to who is responsible for the maintenance of the stadium which has a problem with rust.
The O's have a pretty long lease, and our stadium steelwork is looking a bit rusty above the South stand to be fair!


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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:37pm
The Ospreys have well documented financial issues and the Blues currently don’t have a long term lease on CAP, so I’d be worried for them. The WRU own a 50% stake in the Dragons and possibly own Dave Parade, we own our ground and show signs of clearing our debts.
Whatever the WRU are trying to negotiate with the regions, I trust in our board to get the best deal possible for the Scarlets.


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

The Ospreys have well documented financial issues and the Blues currently don’t have a long term lease on CAP, so I’d be worried for them. The WRU own a 50% stake in the Dragons and possibly own Dave Parade, we own our ground and show signs of clearing our debts.
Whatever the WRU are trying to negotiate with the regions, I trust in our board to get the best deal possible for the Scarlets.
I have a lot of faith in Nigel Short. He was pretty much single handedly responsible for ensuring that additional money spent on funding the running costs of (not buying the land of)the Dragons was also given to the other teams, as per the RSA.


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Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 14 January 2019 at 11:31pm
Tbh I’d be happy with a bit of transparency, good news or bad news.
For some reason the WRU think it’s best to operate behind a closed curtain a la Wizard of Oz, and it’s only excellent work by the likes of Crys that keeps us informed.


Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:45am
Well the rugby paper had 3 of the regions are in the crack, Blues,Dragons and Ospreys?
The Blues need to find a million , the dragons have over spent by a million and the Ospreys have not long ago received 500k from the WRU

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:58am
I think that I amright in saying that 75% of revenue to the Welsh game comes from the WRU/Principality etc?  That being so I suspect this sets the scene for the financial debates over the next 12 months ! Worrying , challenging and interesting times all thrown in the pot. Lets hope its a Sosban !!

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 10:09am
Something clearly needs to be done financially if our regions are ever going to be consistently successful. Talk of two regions may well be overkill but why not 3. That would free up an immediate uplift of around £2million per region. The obvious solution would be a merger of the two least successful professional regions who have huge current financial issues namely the Blues and Dragons. 

A combined squad of the Blues & Dragons would produce a competitive region with no issues of ground tenancy and no requirement for long term private benefactors like Peter's pies. Cardiff Athletic club could carry on hosting Cardiff RFC games and/or develop their prime city centre real estate.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 10:10am
Personally, with the cost of running the pro game in Wales, WRU can only really afford 2 QUALITY teams.

Those teams...Scarlets & Cardiff Blues.
Cardiff Blues would either still play at CAP or elsewhere...fact is, they are the capital city and it would be mad to let them go.
Scarlets are making waves on and off the field, have an academy that has worked well since before regional rugby and still going well. Ownership in PYS and training facilities.
Scarlets and Cardiff Blues will also be 50 odd miles apart. Another key plus point IMO. instead of having 4 teams within 80 miles of each other aint great. 

Ospreyes currently own no ground, own no training facility. Dragons are 50% owned by WRU, also have no ground to call their own and have made zero progress since regional inception.


Having 2 teams does have the negative side especially when it comes to player base. BUT.
This can give us 2 teams that would rival the depth and quality of Leinster/Munster as well as the appropriate funding to keep them highly competitive.

I personally am not surprised this is ONE of the options tabled.

Another option could be going down to 3. keeping possibly Dragons (due to WRU interest) but for the sole purpose of game time for youngsters and a side completely dependent on loans from the other 2 regions so the running costs would be nowhere near to the current amount.

Tonight will certainly be an interesting meeting.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 10:32am
worth noting David Buttress has apologised on twitter to both Cardiff Blues and Dragons fans for reading such rubbish.


Posted By: Haruki
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 11:18am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Something clearly needs to be done financially if our regions are ever going to be consistently successful. Talk of two regions may well be overkill but why not 3. That would free up an immediate uplift of around £2million per region. The obvious solution would be a merger of the two least successful professional regions who have huge current financial issues namely the Blues and Dragons. 

A combined squad of the Blues & Dragons would produce a competitive region with no issues of ground tenancy and no requirement for long term private benefactors like Peter's pies. Cardiff Athletic club could carry on hosting Cardiff RFC games and/or develop their prime city centre real estate.

I agree with this as a solution. All 3 regions get a bigger slice of the pie. WRU can go ahead with their plan to develop the Principality onto the arms Park land to give a bigger stand at that end and more corporate facilities. The new region could play smaller games at RP and bigger games at Principality.  3 regions with 3 players for each position still gives a player base of 9 to choose from for Wales (obviously less when factoring in NWQ's)

The problem with going to 2 regions is that a) the player  base for Wales becomes too narrow as Scotland have found and b) it is an inconsistent message to say "Play in Wales to Play for Wales" but then not have enough squads to cater for everyone. What would happen if a player is ripping it up in say the Premiership and was only there as neither Welsh region could accommodate him?, Surely he couldn't be discounted from Wales selection on that basis?


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 12:38pm
If you had 2 super regions then what happens also to the Welsh semi-pro Premiership which will shrink in numbers next season anyway plus with big WRU  funding cut backs (and the Championship will get peanuts so basically amateur) and also you then have the A league regional teams. A lot of thinking and integration will be needed on all this and a huge amount of effort to persuade Welsh club supporters of the merits of the plans. If there were cost savings in having 2 regions would this mean more money available from the WRU to have a properly funded smaller Premiership linking as proper feeders to the 2 super regions with age/salary caps etc? One thing is certain if Wales is to see clubs winning regularly at the highest levels in Europe we need a lot more funding in a poor country ,so it doesn't take much intuition to see where things will be heading.

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Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 12:46pm
I'll be 200 miles away, unfortunately, but great to see Nigel Short and Jon Daniels come straight out to supporters to explain what this means for the Scarlets and the regions - chapeau to CRYS16 (as ever) for lining this up. ClapClapClap

It's been a long, hard road to get here, and there will still be tough financial times ahead thanks to Lewis and Pickering's strategy of starving the regions of the cash they needed to build a structure which, ironically, would have underpinned the Wales squad's success.

We now have PRW absorbed inside the WRU as the Professional Game Board.Committee and, although the shackles of Millennium Stadium debt repayment will live on, we now have a joined up, 'hand in glove' approach to maximising revenues and developing performance.

Any talk of further mergers being 'tabled' is a bit wide of the mark, but it's an indication of how deeply the 5 entities have gone to consider all possible options. The pressure will be on to perform (especially at the Dragons), but the structures and strategy will be aligned to give Welsh rugby the best possible chance of success. Da iawn i bawb. Thumbs Up


Posted By: pillory
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 3:05pm
I hope the radical idea of going down to two regions is just Trump-style "Art Of The Deal" stuff - ie. set out your most extreme negotiating position and work from there.

From our own perspective, end of Scarlets would be chronically bad for Llanelli in cultural and social terms.

From a broader perspective, regionalisation to four/five already disconnected so many people across Wales from top-flight rugby. I can't help but see that reduction to two would only do worse.

You can point to a Premiership, below, that is now on national TV etc and stress that it is below the elite level where, culturally, Welsh rugby should continue to thrive. But they ringfenced the Premiership.

Now, people can blame us for fighting to retain Llanelli/Scarlets, and the WRU leadership of the time for not enacting "true" regionalisation. But we are where we are. End of Scarlets would be devastating and I hope it is fought tooth and nail.

There is something incredibly depressing about the tone of things these last few years. It is austerity in more ways than one... cut, cut, cut. 


Posted By: diego6754
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 4:54pm
As my Father and my Grandfather have done, as long as their is a rugby team called the Scarlets, playing in Llanelli I will support them. I could not support another side based in another town.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 5:32pm
the wru have just sold out the 6 nations tickets which were the most expensive in their history so all this bullpoo about no money is rubbish they get 1 more game every autumn than most of the other teams and had the f.a. using our facility whilst Wembley was being done,they have diluted the game so much in wales that it's no wonder nobody bothers to watch it any more.


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 6:21pm
I am new to this debate but I heard that pretty much zero rugby clubs in the English premiership make money so rugby union generally is all a bit of a shambles... in that context £1m losses don't actually sound too bad for the regions. 

It's a worry how dependent the Welsh game is on the internationals at Principality, if Wayne has a year of poor form for Wales like he has with us this year -- attendances wont exactly increase!

Very fragile system.


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Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:28pm
Just back from the meeting. Looks like the four regions will stay the same for the forseable future.

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I am new to this debate but I heard that pretty much zero rugby clubs in the English premiership make money so rugby union generally is all a bit of a shambles... in that context £1m losses don't actually sound too bad for the regions. 

It's a worry how dependent the Welsh game is on the internationals at Principality, if Wayne has a year of poor form for Wales like he has with us this year -- attendances wont exactly increase!

Very fragile system.


I think I’m right in saying that only Exeter turned a profit recently out of all the premiership clubs.


Posted By: FIRST AND LAST
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:31pm
Good news Martin. Any other points you`d like to share


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Just back from the meeting. Looks like the four regions will stay the same for the forseable future.

Good news, every year regulary get out the news about the cut of the regions...
Would like to know other infortmations about tonight meeting


Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 9:40pm
A lot of project reset hasn't been finalised but the main things I can remember from tonight is that next season's budget hasn't been finalised. The new coach will arrive in July. Steff Evans will be a Scarlet player next season. Premier sport's are very happy with subscriptions. It's exceeded there expectation.

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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 15 January 2019 at 11:36pm
And the Dragons are screwed, basically

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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 3:22am
Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

As my Father and my Grandfather have done, as long as their is a rugby team called the Scarlets, playing in Llanelli I will support them. I could not support another side based in another town.

Nor me. Not out of spite, but from lack of attachment.


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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 8:47am
bit concerned about why the budget isn't already sorted and how its effecting our recruitment and re-signing of our players.

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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 8:56am
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

As my Father and my Grandfather have done, as long as their is a rugby team called the Scarlets, playing in Llanelli I will support them. I could not support another side based in another town.

Nor me. Not out of spite, but from lack of attachment.
I can understand that sentiment, but should this ever happen God forbid, I would want to build that feeling of attachment into the next generation i.e let my kids and grandchildren have the same sense of belonging that I felt.  I would feel compelled to move on, hard as it would be.

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Posted By: T_RICHARDS_94
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 9:40am
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

A lot of project reset hasn't been finalised but the main things I can remember from tonight is that next season's budget hasn't been finalised. The new coach will arrive in July. Steff Evans will be a Scarlet player next season. Premier sport's are very happy with subscriptions. It's exceeded there expectation.
 
This is excellent news!
 
I did read that we are seeking opportunities for naming rights of PYS too?


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Posted By: CRYS16
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 10:00am
The CRYS16 Board would like, on behalf of its members, to thanks Nigel and Jon for their honesty and openness last night. We are fortunate to have them in the Scarlets family. Understandably there were some things that they could not divulge, but that was mainly for reasons of commercial sensitivity, bearing in mind that the negotiations with regard to Project Reset are not yet complete.

Thanks also to the staff at PyS who ensured that the evening ran smoothly, in particular we'd like to thank Alys, Debbie, Natalie and the bar staff.

We look forward to seeing you all again on March 12th.

Hwyl am nawr.


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Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 10:30am
Originally posted by CRYS16 CRYS16 wrote:

The CRYS16 Board would like, on behalf of its members, to thanks Nigel and Jon for their honesty and openness last night. We are fortunate to have them in the Scarlets family. Understandably there were some things that they could not divulge, but that was mainly for reasons of commercial sensitivity, bearing in mind that the negotiations with regard to Project Reset are not yet complete.

Thanks also to the staff at PyS who ensured that the evening ran smoothly, in particular we'd like to thank Alys, Debbie, Natalie and the bar staff.

We look forward to seeing you all again on March 12th.

Hwyl am nawr.
Diolch, CRYS16.Clap

Are there any minutes/transcripts/notes/videos that can be shared, with members or on the forum?


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 10:41am
Great event...well organized, good attendance, great from the boys on the Board to come out and chat on a sensitive issue...

The meet was the envy of all regions...



Posted By: CRYS16
Date Posted: 16 January 2019 at 10:54am
Originally posted by NobbySosban NobbySosban wrote:

Originally posted by CRYS16 CRYS16 wrote:

The CRYS16 Board would like, on behalf of its members, to thanks Nigel and Jon for their honesty and openness last night. We are fortunate to have them in the Scarlets family. Understandably there were some things that they could not divulge, but that was mainly for reasons of commercial sensitivity, bearing in mind that the negotiations with regard to Project Reset are not yet complete.

Thanks also to the staff at PyS who ensured that the evening ran smoothly, in particular we'd like to thank Alys, Debbie, Natalie and the bar staff.

We look forward to seeing you all again on March 12th.

Hwyl am nawr.
Diolch, CRYS16.Clap

Are there any minutes/transcripts/notes/videos that can be shared, with members or on the forum?

One of the Board members made notes last night, and we will submit these to Jon and Nigel for their approval. We will then send out a summary to members in due course.


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Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 17 January 2019 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

A lot of project reset hasn't been finalised but the main things I can remember from tonight is that next season's budget hasn't been finalised. The new coach will arrive in July. Steff Evans will be a Scarlet player next season. Premier sport's are very happy with subscriptions. It's exceeded there expectation.


Great to hear that Steff has another year on his contract and is going nowhere,also got the feeling when asked at the meeting that Josh Adams and Rhys Priestland will not be joining us..


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 9:54am

CRYS16 
  Audience 
  with 
  Nigel 
  Short 
  & 
  Jon 
  Daniels 
  

January 
  15th, 
  2019 
  @7pm 
   
  

Nigel  Short  began  by  explaining  that  despite  the  Scarlets  being  in  a  posi5on  to  meet  their  criteria  in  order  to  progress  with  Project  Reset  back  in  September,  they  were  s5ll  not  as  advanced  with  regards  to  finalising  everything  as  had  been  hoped.  

He  con5nued  to  explain  that  the  WRU’s  take  over  of  the  Dragons  Region  had  given  them  a  greater  understanding  of  the  pressures  of  running  a  Region  and  had  prompted  the  re-­‐organising  of  the  game  in  Wales  with  David  LoveI  appointed  to  oversee  the  most  radical  restructuring  the  game  has  seen  since  it  became  professional.  

Some  changes  have  already  been  implemented  –  

• The  WRU  Governing  Body  has  been  reduced  from  20  members  to  12.  

• The  Community  Board  will  be  responsible  for  the  Community  Game,  with  funding  ringfenced.  

• The  Professional  Rugby  Board  will  be  responsible  for  the  Professional  game,  including  the  running  of  the  Principality  Stadium,  the  Regions,  Sponsorship  etc.  

• The  Professional  Rugby  Board  will  contain  5  en55es  –  the  four  regions,  plus  the  WRU  –  these  en55es  will  remain  independent,  there  is  no  new  funding,  but  all  funding  will  come  from  the  one  pot.  

Nigel  Short  stressed  that  it  was  the  ‘end  of  the  beginning’  –  that  would  not  make  a  big  difference  overnight  and  it  would  possibly  be  4-­‐5  years  before  we  see  any  huge  advances.  

A  major  factor  going  forward  is  the  involvement  of  a  large  Private  Equity  Company  called  CVC  that  has  bought  the  commercial  rights  of  the  PRL  and  it  is  an5cipated  that  the  Pro14  which  involves  4  Unions,  including  S.A.  Rugby  would  be  an  aIrac5ve  investment  for  them  in  the  future.  

Due  to  this,  Nigel  Short  believes  that  despite  being  unable  to  expect  a  Welsh  Region  to  consistently  compete  in  Europe  on  current  budgets,  along  with  the  affordability  of  4  Regions,  4  Regions  will  remain.  

He  added  that  the  whole  structure  of  the  European  compe55on  is  up  for  renewal  in  2021  as  it  has  been  accepted  that  the  current  structure  is  not  working.  

Player 
  Bandings 
  / 
  Recruitment 
  

This  has  been  extensively  discussed  with  the  players,  with  a  posi5ve  reac5on.  Currently  the  banding  does  not  include  Non-­‐Welsh  Qualified  players.    

The  banding  starts  at  Academy  Level,  through  to  New  Professional  –  Regional  Professional  –  New  Interna5onal.  

Currently  no  regions  have  a  finalised  budget  which  is  affec5ng  recruitment  and  reten5on,  this  could  risk  players  going  out  of  Wales  to  play  their  rugby.  

With  the  banding  replacing  the  Na5onal  Dual  Contracts,  Nigel  Short  confirmed  that  it  will  make  no  difference  as  the  Regions  will  s5ll  get  the  60%  contribu5on  to  player  wages,  but  it  will  be  from  the  central  pot  instead.  

This  banding  will  also  discourage  inter-­‐Regional  player  transfers  as  another  region  will  be  unable  to  en5ce  a  player  outside  of  their  banding.  On  the  other  hand  they  won’t  be  able  to  undercut  a  player’s  value  once  they  have  been  placed  in  a  banding  either.  Sanc5ons  will  be  in  place  for  those  who  don’t  adhere.  

There  will  be  some  flexibility  as  it  is  recognised  that  some  players  are  worth  more  to  a  region  than  their  banding.    

There  will  be  a  Regional  Marquee  Banding  with  allows  a  player  to  be  paid  above  their  banding,  but  this  cost  is  met  by  the  Region.  

Jon  Daniels  confirmed  that  some  significant  reten5on  has  already  been  done  for  next  season,  with  others  having  been  told  that  they  want  to  be  kept  despite  not  being  in  a  posi5on  at  present  to  complete  these  contracts.  Very  few  players  have  been  released  and  discussions  are  on-­‐going  with  Brad  Mooar  with  regards  to  where  we  need  to  recruit  for  next  season.  Even  without  recruitments,  with  young  players  coming  through,  we  already  have  a  good  squad  in  place  for  next  season.  

With  Josh  Adams  and  Rhys  Priestland  out  of  contract  and  looking  to  make  a  return  to  Wales,  Jon  Daniels  admiIed  that  both  are  quality  players  at  different  ends  of  their  careers.  All  four  regions  should  be  interested  but  at  the  Scarlets,  they  have  to  ensure  the  dynamics  are  right  with  the  players  already  here.  No  decision  has  been  either  way  with  regards  to  Adams  as  a  lot  of  factors  have  to  be  taken  into  considera5on  as  it  would  mean  bringing  in  another  Interna5onal  Player.  He  added  that  there  had  been  no  discussions  with  either  Priestland  or  his  agent.  

Funding 
  

It  was  stressed  that  there  is  no  new  funding,  but  the  Scarlets  will  not  receive  any  less  funding  that  in  previous  seasons    and  will  get  more  than  other  Regions,  mainly  due  to  recent  success  and  the  number  of  players  that  they  provide  for  the  Na5onal  team.  


  League 
  

The  A  League  was  a  fantas5c  first  season  for  the  Scarlets,  however,  there  are  areas  that  can  be  improved.  Unfortunately,  next  season  will  be  disrup5ve  due  to  the  Rugby  World  Cup,  however,  the  IRFU  have  proposed  for  the  A  League  to  be  extended  in  the  future.  

Commercial 
  Performance 
  

A  successful  commercial  performance  is  a  cri5cal  factor.  Nigel  Short  commented,  “If  we  haven’t  got  the  business  right,  there  is  no  rugby.”  

He  revealed  that  the  Scarlets  go  into  this  project  with  a  posi5ve  balance  sheet  of  £4-­‐£5  million,  with  directors  wri5ng  off  their  debts  totally.  With  over  160  sponsors  in  the  Region,  the  Scarlets  are  head  and  shoulders  above  other  regions.    Addi5onally,  the  Scarlets  own  their  own  Stadium  and  are  not  compe5ng  with  football.    

He  admiIed  that  historically  next  year  could  be  a  tough  year  as  it  is  a  World  Cup  year,  however  the  

Scarlets’  commercial  sponsorship  is  stable  as  many  are  contracted  for  a  period  rather  than  annually.  

Brexit  could  also  have  an  impact  on  recrui5ng  Overseas  Players  due  to  the  fluctua5ng  strength  of  the  £.  World 
  Season 
  Structure 
  

It  was  confirmed  that  World  Rugby  is  looking  in  to  the  current  season  structure.  Next  season  the  Scarlets  will  play  9  league  games  during  the  Interna5onal  window.  

Whilst  the  ideal  would  be  to  have  the  Boxing  Day  fixture  back,  due  to  player  welfare  the  only  other  op5on  would  then  be  to  play  another  fixture  during  the  Interna5onal  window.  

There  has  been  an  alterna5ve  proposal  to  the  League  &  European  Cup  Structure  during  the  World  Cup,    these  will  be  discussed  in  a  mee5ng  on  January  17th,  but  it  could  mean  Europe  being  delayed  un5l  aier  the  WC  and  being  played  during  the  Interna5onal’s  rest  period.  

As  part  of  Project  Reset,  a  Business  Management  Board  has  been  set  up.  This  board  is  looking  at  

collec5vely  arranging  deals  that  will  benefit  all,  e.g.  insurances.    One  of  the  projects  they  are  looking  at  is  Judgement  Day  which  is  going  to  be  revamped  and  built  upon  to  become  a  bigger  and  beIer  product.  Coaching 
  Team 
  

Brad  Mooar  will  be  arriving  in  July.  He  came  over  before  Christmas  and  personally  met  all  the  players  and  staff  members.  Wayne  also  begins  his  job  with  the  WRU  in  July,  but  a  transi5on  period  has  already  begun.  

Jon  Daniels  confirmed  that  Ioan  Cunningham  is  staying  with  the  Scarlets.  Wayne  is  in  the  process  of  appoin5ng  his  Defence  Coach,  but  nothing  with  regards  to  Byron  Hayward  is  confirmed.  

No  other  members  of  Brad’s  Coaching  team  have  been  confirmed  yet,  but  both  Brad  and  Jon  Daniels  have  interviewed  several  prospec5ve  candidates.  

Llanelli 
  RFC 
  

The  Scarlets  are  commiIed  to  working  with  all  three  of  the  feeder  teams  with  the  aim  to  keep  them  all  in  the  Premiership.  When  the  decision  was  made  to  reduce  the  number  of  teams  to  12,  the  Region  fought  to  ensure  that  this  comprised  of  3  teams  from  each  region,  but  unfortunately  lost  the  vote.  

On  a  weekly  basis,  Jon  and  Kevin  George  meet  with  the  coaching  teams  of  Llanelli,  Carmarthen  Quins  and  

Llandovery  to  discuss  the  distribu5on  of  players,  taking  into  considera5on  a  number  of  factors.  

CRYS16’s 
  next 
  event 
  is 
  on 
  Tuesday, 
  March 
  12th, 
  2019 
  – 
  An 
  Evening 
  with 
  Greg 
  Garner, 
  PRO14 
  Elite 
  



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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 1:19pm
You don’t need to post this here on an open forum .Why don’t Supporters just join to gain this information direct!It’s free but obviously a donation is very welcome by the trustees 👍

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 3:22pm
Why is ti deemed rude? Annoying

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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 7:18pm
Mate I can put what I want on here when I want to. Hypocrite

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 11:09am
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

Mate I can put what I want on here when I want to. Hypocrite

"Ouch" turkishrebel was this directed to me? If so, its  a bit  personal which isn't at all like you. You can of course, post as you wish  but on my post I think there is a misunderstanding here which is probably  due to the way I posted and if so, I apologise. All I was trying to literally say to you and really other members here, is that there  should be no need to post the Crys Members Minutes when Crys Members all get their own copy  direct. With us all being Scarlets supporters and with Crys membership being free I would have thought that the vast majority on SF would also be Crys Members but ,of course, I may be wrong there.

I also want to suggest, admittedly as a long standing Crys member and former Trustee/Crys Hon Secretary, is that everyone on the SF Forum strongly considers joining Crys16 to boost its impact. As  our sole collective fans voice why wouldn't people join with its benefits ? that may a separate debate in itself I suspect !

Anyway enough said. Please do  PM my if anything else bothers you.




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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 12:47pm
yes it was directed at you, did not appreciate the way you worded your reply. will take your apology and leave as is.
crys do an important job for us fans and I appreciate all the time yourself and other members of the board who put in so much work to help us.
I don't think there is a team out there that has such dedicated and hard working fans and I thank you all especially in the dark years during regionalisation and afterwards.


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:


yes it was directed at you, did not appreciate the way you worded your reply. will take your apology and leave as is.
crys do an important job for us fans and I appreciate all the time yourself and other members of the board who put in so much work to help us.
I don't think there is a team out there that has such dedicated and hard working fans and I thank you all especially in the dark years during regionalisation and afterwards.

👍

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Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 1:55pm
The advent of Project Reset means that PRW will effectively cease to exist, replaced by the WRU Professional Rugby Board (PRB) made up of the WRU, 4 Regions and independent directors.

Mark Davies, who steered Scarlets and latterly RRW/PRW through the WRU versus Welsh Rugby war, and worked with PRO14 to develop its commercial focus, will sadly no longer be involved in the game.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 2:39pm
Now that is a shame. Impressed me.


Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 4:01pm
Mark Davies we were   told in the Crys meeting, is still   heavily involved at the coalface of professional rugby, but I forget exactly what his   exact   role is.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 9:53pm
Well its Mark's business I guess and I am sure we all wish him well whatever happens. Always found him pretty approachable and nobody's fool !

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 12 February 2019 at 8:30am
I think Nigel Short mentioned broadcaster.



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