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Topic: Italy v Wales
Posted By: surfing-mtber
Subject: Italy v Wales
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 8:37am
According to the press it seems Foxy is to be named captain. AWJ to the bench and a possible start for Thomas Young.

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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 9:01am
Originally posted by surfing-mtber surfing-mtber wrote:

According to the press it seems Foxy is to be named captain. AWJ to the bench and a possible start for Thomas Young.

Tremendous honour for Foxy: Hopefully will boost his confidence rather than give him additional pressure!

I would have had Ken or Scott as captain if either was starting, wonder if this suggests neither will be.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 9:43am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by surfing-mtber surfing-mtber wrote:

According to the press it seems Foxy is to be named captain. AWJ to the bench and a possible start for Thomas Young.

Tremendous honour for Foxy: Hopefully will boost his confidence rather than give him additional pressure!

I would have had Ken or Scott as captain if either was starting, wonder if this suggests neither will be.
Surely it would be Ken Owens so suspect your right and that Ken wont be playing either or on the bench. He needs a week off surely

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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 12:10pm
great honour for Davies...


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 12:53pm
pleased for foxy and his family , terrific ambassador
any news on when team is announced


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

pleased for foxy and his family , terrific ambassador
any news on when team is announced


10am tomorrow.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 1:26pm
wonder if turnbull will be involved?

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 1:27pm
Well I think its fair to say that Gatland will be true to his word and involve all 31 with some game time. So a team along the lines of :-

15. Amos 14. North 13. Foxy 12. Watkin 11. Adams 10. Biggar 9. Cawdor
8. Moriarty 7. Young 6. Wainwright 5. Hill 4. Jake 3. Samson 2. Dee 1. Smith

Bench : 16. Ryan 17. Wyn  18. Dillon 19. AWJ 20. Tipuric 21. Aled 22. Anscombe 23. Holmes


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well I think its fair to say that Gatland will be true to his word and involve all 31 with some game time. So a team along the lines of :-

15. Amos 14. North 13. Foxy 12. Watkin 11. Adams 10. Biggar 9. Cawdor
8. Moriarty 7. Young 6. Wainwright 5. Hill 4. Jake 3. Samson 2. Dee 1. Smith

Bench : 16. Ryan 17. Wyn  18. Dillon 19. AWJ 20. Tipuric 21. Aled 22. Anscombe 23. Holmes

Did he say that? I missed it - but in any case, I think there are bound to be many changes for Italy, for several reasons - to check on form, and to try to decide which players might fit the plans for the RWC, for example.

Our back-up team didn't do too badly in the summer.

As for the team itself - I would not want to hazard a guess, but maybe they won't risk Moriarty as a starter... Navidi has played well at 8 before, and may be called upon there.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well I think its fair to say that Gatland will be true to his word and involve all 31 with some game time. So a team along the lines of :-

15. Amos 14. North 13. Foxy 12. Watkin 11. Adams 10. Biggar 9. Cawdor
8. Moriarty 7. Young 6. Wainwright 5. Hill 4. Jake 3. Samson 2. Dee 1. Smith

Bench : 16. Ryan 17. Wyn  18. Dillon 19. AWJ 20. Tipuric 21. Aled 22. Anscombe 23. Holmes

Did he say that? I missed it - but in any case, I think there are bound to be many changes for Italy, for several reasons - to check on form, and to try to decide which players might fit the plans for the RWC, for example.

Our back-up team didn't do too badly in the summer.

As for the team itself - I would not want to hazard a guess, but maybe they won't risk Moriarty as a starter... Navidi has played well at 8 before, and may be called upon there.

Thats a fair call Aber. There have been some calling for Wainwright to be given a run at 8. He is a natural ball player with a huge engine and a fair amount of gas. He is built a bit like O'Mahony who is excellent at lineout time so he may well be given a run. However 8 is such a specialist position he won't be risked I guess unless they have been training over the past weeks with that in mind. 

Whichever team he selects its been a long time since we have had two teams we would all back to do a good job. Gatland's decision to rest all his Lions apart from Moriarty last summer will go down as one of his very best decisions. 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 2:53pm
no turnbull?

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

no turnbull?

Turnbull is one of the eight left behind  which includes Seb, Steff, the four injured guys - Patchell, Halfpenny, Scott & Brown. The final guy is Evans the 4th 10.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 4:04pm
Wholesale changes may be a potential error considering last Friday wasn't that great a performance. I'd want to play my starting 9 and 10 for England against Italy for them to find some form and confidence. But also good that places are up for grabs so I guess it's a balance between the two.


Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 5:08pm
Biggar's carrying a slight injury so I don't think he'll be risked to start. If Anscombe was picked to start against France, so as not to ruin his confidence, then it'll be even more in need of boosting now. Perhaps Biggar coming on in the last 20 minutes if we're struggling or in need of a bonus point, although if it's an open game by then, keeping Anscombe on may be a slightly better bet for tries.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 6:29pm
I fully expect Anscombe to start and hope he has a much better game. Not sure he's the best option versus England but Gatland has shown he can make the big calls for tactical reasons, which I'm sure Anscombe would respect if that were to happen.

For the record: I want a flat dynamic 10 who can also put in a big accurate kick now and then! Oh, and tackle. Patch is the man. Wink


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 10:17pm
shame no patch. Hes got all the skills.

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 8:29am
Looks like lots of changes afoot, with Aled due to start at 9.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 8:33am
I have the little impression that Wales are understimating Italy...in this moment for the Italian team remains only the strenght of despair...



Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 9:23am
Resting players to take on Italy in their first home fixture of the tournament?

I have my reservations tbh.

Odd gamble given there's a 2 week gap before the next game.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 9:34am
If the Wales team cannot step up now to defeat Italy then there will be problems but its also planning ahead for the World Cup and testing the players. Rather it be Italy than  any of the others we have yet to play.

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 9:36am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Resting players to take on Italy in their first home fixture of the tournament?

I have my reservations tbh.

Odd gamble given there's a 2 week gap before the next game.


Agreed, I would have gone with

Rob, Dee, Samson,
Jake, Beard
Young, Moriarty, Wainwright
Williams, Anscombe
Watkin, Foxy
North, Williams, Adams.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 10:02am
Wales side:

Smith, Dee, Lee
Ball, Beard,
Wainwright, Navidi, Young
A.Davies, Biggar,
Watkin, J.Davies,
Adams, Williams, Holmes


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 10:49am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Wales side:

Smith, Dee, Lee
Ball, Beard,
Wainwright, Navidi, Young
A.Davies, Biggar,
Watkin, J.Davies,
Adams, Williams, Holmes


Replacements: Elias, W Jones, D Lewis, Alun Wyn Jones, Moriarty, G Davies, Anscombe, Amos.

Italy are going to target the set piece, especially the lineout.  Exciting back three, if Holmes acquits himself well under the high ball, I can see him benching in subsequent matches.  Think Wales will keep the ball alive, hope Biggar brings Watkins into play and hence Foxy.

Italy might feel disrespected by 10 changes, but this is a good side and shows strength in depth.  This is all about World Cup preparation.

Need to be sensible and not throw silly passes.


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 11:26am
Nice little article here about the time the squad are spending in Nice & what they're up to.  
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47151728" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47151728

Particularly like this bit

"George North and hooker Ken Owens then spend some of their other free time helping coach Stade Nicois' youth teams."


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 12:27pm
The front row is still strong , with a lot of strength available off the bench
The most surprising selection is holmes on the wing, hope he goes well


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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 4:09pm
15 Jayden Hayward, 14 Angelo Esposito, 13 Michele Campagnaro, 12 Luca Morisi, 11 Edoardo Padovani, 10 Tommaso Allan, 9 Guglielmo Palazzani, 8 Sergio Parisse, 7 Abraham Steyn, 6 Sebastian Negri, 5 Dean Budd, 4 David Sisi, 3 Simone Ferrari, 2 Leonardo Ghiraldini, 1 Nicola Quaglio
In panchina: 16 Luca Bigi, 17 Cherif Traorè 18 Tiziano Pasquali, 19 Federico Ruzza, 20 Marco Barbini, 21 Edoardo Gori, 22 Ian McKinley, 23 Tommaso Benvenuti

Only few change for O Shea, Campagnaro in the midfield and Padovani on the wing. Quaglio starts in front row.
Italy has to play more similar like Treviso, with the forwards splitted around the field and they receive the ball in run. When they are in pods italian forwards are not so rapid the break the gain line..


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 6:36pm
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

15 Jayden Hayward, 14 Angelo Esposito, 13 Michele Campagnaro, 12 Luca Morisi, 11 Edoardo Padovani, 10 Tommaso Allan, 9 Guglielmo Palazzani, 8 Sergio Parisse, 7 Abraham Steyn, 6 Sebastian Negri, 5 Dean Budd, 4 David Sisi, 3 Simone Ferrari, 2 Leonardo Ghiraldini, 1 Nicola Quaglio
In panchina: 16 Luca Bigi, 17 Cherif Traorè 18 Tiziano Pasquali, 19 Federico Ruzza, 20 Marco Barbini, 21 Edoardo Gori, 22 Ian McKinley, 23 Tommaso Benvenuti

Only few change for O Shea, Campagnaro in the midfield and Padovani on the wing. Quaglio starts in front row.
Italy has to play more similar like Treviso, with the forwards splitted around the field and they receive the ball in run. When they are in pods italian forwards are not so rapid the break the gain line..

Doesn't sound very Italian! He could at least put "o" or "i" after his name: Jaydeno Haywardi. Had a good game against Scotland from what I saw.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 7:08pm
Bit disrespectful to the Italians that team and we need momentum for the next game. Potential banana skin.


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by surfing-mtber surfing-mtber wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Wales side:

Smith, Dee, Lee
Ball, Beard,
Wainwright, Navidi, Young
A.Davies, Biggar,
Watkin, J.Davies,
Adams, Williams, Holmes


Replacements: Elias, W Jones, D Lewis, Alun Wyn Jones, Moriarty, G Davies, Anscombe, Amos.

Italy are going to target the set piece, especially the lineout.  Exciting back three, if Holmes acquits himself well under the high ball, I can see him benching in subsequent matches.  Think Wales will keep the ball alive, hope Biggar brings Watkins into play and hence Foxy.

Italy might feel disrespected by 10 changes, but this is a good side and shows strength in depth.  This is all about World Cup preparation.

Need to be sensible and not throw silly passes.

As we saw in the summer, Wales are developing some depth - if you look at the team, 9 of them either are currently first choices, or have been in the recent past. Of the rest, Dee is our usual back-up hooker, Wainwright has impressed in his chances so far, and many have called for Young to get a shot. In the backs, Aled is a good link and box kicker, Watkin is in good form - many would say better than parkes ATM - and Holmes did OK with few chances on his debut. 

Wales also have 4 more starters on the bench, including AWJ, who can be called on to rally the troops if necessary. 

I'd say the players have easily enough quality to win the game with something to spare - my one reservation has to do with the combinations, which haven't had many tests together. I'm reasonably relaxed about it - we'll see!


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 7:42pm
I think we'll win. Whether it puts the team and combos in a good shape for playing England is another matter, but that game's two weeks away anyway.


Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 9:21pm
Without underestimating Italy, I think we'll need a bonus point win if we're not to put ourselves at an overall disadvantage in the championship. I think Gatland has gone about this task sensibly, without risking injury to too many of the more important players. 
Starting with Aled and Biggar should quickly settle the team down (something that didn't happen in Paris) and maybe build up a lead with accurate kicking, and if we don't get the tries there are those on the bench who can come on and give us the momentum needed later on.


Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 10:53pm
He's made too many changes. . Wales wernt exactly on top form last week so not a time to be that complacent.

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Posted By: coldith
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 8:43am
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

He's made too many changes. . Wales wernt exactly on top form last week so not a time to be that complacent.

Think he’s being disrespectful of the Italians.


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 10:27am
Originally posted by coldith coldith wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

He's made too many changes. . Wales wernt exactly on top form last week so not a time to be that complacent.

Think he’s being disrespectful of the Italians.

He apparently made 10 changes last year after the defeat to Ireland and we won 38-14, however that's not to say that it will work this time.

I can sort of understand it, he's keeping some fresh for England, and he needs to test squad strength before the RWC.


Posted By: Havard Fan
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 10:34am
I don't think it's as disrespectful, but I can see why it may look that way.

Truth be told, we didn't really win the French game, France gifted it too us. Yes we took the chances, but two tries were gifts.

We played terribly and I would say there are only three clear first choice players who played. AWJ, Ken O and Foxy. Gats is resting two, I think the rest is to see if they are better than those who started last week. You could argue this for each player. I think this is more to the fact that Gatland is still searching for his clear first choice players. Hopefully the likes of Ball, Lee, Young, Bigger, Watkin and Holmes will step up.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 11:01am

If he doesn't experience with squad now in World Cup year when does he ? Rotation going to be key in World Cup .


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 11:29am
I agree with 157cb These games are where we have to play a squad game. We have enough to win and a bench to use as required if things go a bit astray. We need to do very well against England.


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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 12:55pm
At least I think the major responsabilities are italians that during these year we didn t improve as the level of tournament need...so Gats can do his alternative players in sight of World Cup..
All italians, I firstly, have to understand that in rugby the respect on the field is earned and not claimed.
So tomorrow hope Italy could fear Wales and will be last time that Wales come to Rome with a big turnover...


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 1:52pm
Don’t tinker too much. Plus there’s warm up games before the World Cup. A few players would be ok but changing 10?


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 2:30pm
where is seb davies ?

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Posted By: Owen111
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

where is seb davies ?

He is one of the eight who didnt travel to Rome 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

where is seb davies ?

He is one of the eight who didnt travel to Rome 

Just dont understand that, this is surely the game to bring him into the match day squad...cory hill too must have been considered


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 10:10pm
I'm not one for sentiment but this makes Wales great:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47165973" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47165973

Think we should go back to goats leading us out as well - legendary.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 08 February 2019 at 10:22pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

where is seb davies ?

He is one of the eight who didnt travel to Rome 

Just dont understand that, this is surely the game to bring him into the match day squad...cory hill too must have been considered
 


  Cory Hill out with a bad cut too the knee .


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 4:39pm
Good luck all


Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 4:48pm
0-3 already


Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 4:55pm
I know the ref needs to be close, but he was almost in the ruck then lol 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 5:34pm
Showed some control , young has had several good moments,but not very impressive in attack tbh
no north is a major factor in our backline, hes a source of pace power and try scoring threat
aled has kicked everything and been knocked of the ball a few times....we miss moriarty getting across the gain line...cawdor we miss his pace ....anscombe patchell we miss their gain line attacking threat
foxy butchered that overlap a bit, why didnt he just attack the space >? the other teams wont lose sleep
hopefully this is a mere aperitif to a better 2nd half




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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:00pm
Aled Davies has been slow and his decisions have been wrong more often than not. Led to Biggar having to try and get things going, trying a little too hard it seems


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:02pm
Poor Italy, goood combination Davies Adams, Hope to see often next year in Scarlets


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:02pm
Great try by Adams.

How many Benetton players in the Italian 23?

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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:03pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Showed some control , young has had several good moments,but not very impressive in attack tbh
no north is a major factor in our backline, hes a source of pace power and try scoring threat
aled has kicked everything and been knocked of the ball a few times....we miss moriarty getting across the gain line...cawdor we miss his pace ....anscombe patchell we miss their gain line attacking threat
foxy butchered that overlap a bit, why didnt he just attack the space >? the other teams wont lose sleep
hopefully this is a mere aperitif to a better 2nd half




Sorry but young has had a very good game. Hes been everywhere
. Tackled well and a few turnovers too

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Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:38pm
Positives - Young, Wainwright, Adams, Liam
Not up to usual standards - Foxy
Neither good or bad - Ball, Navidi, Watkin, Holmes, Samson
Meh - Biggar, Dee, Beard
Never an international, don't waste a squad place - Davies A


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:40pm
Aled sadly very erratic and very strong first game by Tom Young. Watkin did very well and he is a youngster.After a week in Nice why can’t they get the line out sorted. Very poor under both hookers. Why?? Overall modest show but huge effort by Italy tbh. Two wins but no bonus points. England here we come

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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:42pm
A few positives from, what really was, a poor game.

Nicky smith - did well in the scrums, evident in the loose.
Elliot Dee - carried many times, not much yardage. Needs to learn how to pass and throw in. Far too many poor lineout throw ins
Samson - scrummaged well, carried strong but not that evident around the field.
Jake - one of his better games. carried well and cleared out effectivley
Adam Beard - He's 6"8 and 20st. Thats the only thing that ever stands out when you watch him play.
Wainwright - getting better with each game. Solid but not spectacular.
Navidi - again stand out performance. No more to say
Young - did what he was supposed to do as a 7 - tackled well, turned over ball. all in all a very good game
Aled Davies - Poor. slow and kicked everything.
Biggar - proved he's not an attacking 10.
Adams - dangerous and carried well
Watkins - poor start but improved
Foxy - nothing spectacular but not great service for him to shine
Holmes - Like adams - solid and carried well
Sanjay - sanjay. strong, fearless.

I like the looks of dillon lewis. Thought he offered a different dimension when he came on.

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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:43pm
I dont rate Beard either, worst hands for a second row but to his credit he had a good couple of Maul defences. Aled was shocking, looked like a gust of wind knocked him over several times in the first half - wont make good viewing when they review the game film.


Posted By: solva
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:44pm
Three or four players who may have played themselves out of any international future after that.   


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:45pm
i would have like to have seen seb davies today instead of beard. He looks more an athletic SR.

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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by solva solva wrote:

Three or four players who may have played themselves out of any international future after that.   
 

 Agree 100% ,watched England 20s v France 20s and Scotland v Ireland excellent games Italy v Wales poor game .


Posted By: Cofi
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:52pm
Mogwen - Disagree totally about Smith. Thought he looked off the pace, missed tackles gave away 3 penalties and totally knackered @60min - should have been replaced far earlier.    Totally agree about Dillon Lewis mind you!


Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 8:17pm
One of the poorest internationals I've watched for a long time.   If I had been a neutral spectator today I would have turned over to watch Poirot!!.

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 9:13pm
shane ht the French forwards were a little late getting to the breakdown for Thomas youngs turnover penalty Shocked that's because they are in London preparing for England game,after we lost another throw in 2nd half he said that there had been problems there last week but those things had obviously been worked on during the week after losing our own throw?terrible .

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Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 09 February 2019 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

A few positives from, what really was, a poor game.

Nicky smith - did well in the scrums, evident in the loose.
Elliot Dee - carried many times, not much yardage. Needs to learn how to pass and throw in. Far too many poor lineout throw ins
Samson - scrummaged well, carried strong but not that evident around the field.
Jake - one of his better games. carried well and cleared out effectivley
Adam Beard - He's 6"8 and 20st. Thats the only thing that ever stands out when you watch him play.
Wainwright - getting better with each game. Solid but not spectacular.
Navidi - again stand out performance. No more to say
Young - did what he was supposed to do as a 7 - tackled well, turned over ball. all in all a very good game
Aled Davies - Poor. slow and kicked everything.
Biggar - proved he's not an attacking 10.
Adams - dangerous and carried well
Watkins - poor start but improved
Foxy - nothing spectacular but not great service for him to shine
Holmes - Like adams - solid and carried well
Sanjay - sanjay. strong, fearless.

I like the looks of dillon lewis. Thought he offered a different dimension when he came on.

Beard is 6'8 but is not 20st , he is just over 18st,

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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 1:12am
Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

[QUOTE=Mogwen] A few positives from, what really was, a poor game.

Nicky smith - did well in the scrums, evident in the loose.
Elliot Dee - carried many times, not much yardage. Needs to learn how to pass and throw in. Far too many poor lineout throw ins
Samson - scrummaged well, carried strong but not that evident around the field.
Jake - one of his better games. carried well and cleared out effectivley
Adam Beard - He's 6"8 and 20st. Thats the only thing that ever stands out when you watch him play.
Wainwright - getting better with each game. Solid but not spectacular.
Navidi - again stand out performance. No more to say
Young - did what he was supposed to do as a 7 - tackled well, turned over ball. all in all a very good game
Aled Davies - Poor. slow and kicked everything.
Biggar - proved he's not an attacking 10.
Adams - dangerous and carried well
Watkins - poor start but improved
Foxy - nothing spectacular but not great service for him to shine
Holmes - Like adams - solid and carried well
Sanjay - sanjay. strong, fearless.

I like the looks of dillon lewis. Thought he offered a different dimension when he came on.

Beard is 6'8 but is not 20st , he is just over 18st, [/QUOTE

On one stat, after the junior world cup, had him at 20st 2lbs.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 8:26am
Re the foxy no try.... Did anyone else know the new rule about any ball that hits the knee or above and goes forward is a knock on?

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Posted By: gnasher1975
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 9:42am
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Re the foxy no try.... Did anyone else know the new rule about any ball that hits the knee or above and goes forward is a knock on?


Wasnt aware of that, did it derive from the old mark ring trick where he would knee the ball over the opposition...I seem to rememnber them ruling that out as a knock on, might be my memory fading though


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 11:04am
Felt like a World Cup warm-up game and so done it's job in giving some fringe and emerging players some game time. I though Navidi had another good game, although we do miss having a big 8. 

I'm a bit apprehensive for the England match as we've had two pretty poor games, one a full strength side and then this weakened one, so hope we raise our game significantly for them.

I also never knew the Vunipolos grew up in Monmouthshire: those are the two that got away!


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Cofi Cofi wrote:

Mogwen - Disagree totally about Smith. Thought he looked off the pace, missed tackles gave away 3 penalties and totally knackered @60min - should have been replaced far earlier.    Totally agree about Dillon Lewis mind you!

Smith did us no favours with those penalties - he gave away two in a row, I think, leading to an Italy attack - did they score? Maybe...

Agree with others who thought Aled was poor - allowed himself to be knocked about at the breakdown too easily - lacks the aggression of Cawdor or Tomos W. 

No-one was great... Navidi and Sanjay probably the best, Young pretty tidy, Wainwright too for the most part - many good interventions and a couple of errors. Jake carried well but not a top line-out guy - especially with Dee throwing in! 

We'll have a better idea of how good England are after this afternoon v France - I thought they were superb v Ireland, but I also think that it's rare for teams to play that well twice in a row - everything went right for them, plus the Irish looked complacent and slow to get going - they never really did, in fact. 

IF England put France to the sword, then I can't see us beating them even in Cardiff... but if France show they can compete on the gain line, then we are in with a decent chance once our top players are selected. 


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 11:56am
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Re the foxy no try.... Did anyone else know the new rule about any ball that hits the knee or above and goes forward is a knock on?

i did think the ball momentarily touched the grass, but it was hard to be sure... TBH, I'd have called that a knock on.


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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Re the foxy no try.... Did anyone else know the new rule about any ball that hits the knee or above and goes forward is a knock on?

i did think the ball momentarily touched the grass, but it was hard to be sure... TBH, I'd have called that a knock on.

Dont think the grass was relevant, the fact it came forward off above his knee is supposedly deemed a knock on now, it didnt actually touch his hands


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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 2:42pm
so what was gained from yesterday?

Well liam had a few nice touches, hes getting back up to speed...Holmes was solid, watkin had a sound game, adams went well again. we learned biggar still isnt going to get the attack going, aled still isnt test class....wainwright was again very good, tom young settled in well and will win a lot more caps, ball showed his physicality, beard needs to work on his handling skills, scrum went well, samson solid game. lineout an absoliute shambles again, smith was up and down but good to see him back. Cawdor and anscombe are far bigger threats, awj is irreplaceable, amos must feel unlucky to be behind holmes....could have been a good game to try steff, he makes things happen. Missed chance to test jarod evans, seb davies and turnbull. 

The biggest thing I learned is , patchell is our best chance at fly half. Evans is a dark horse too.




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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Re the foxy no try.... Did anyone else know the new rule about any ball that hits the knee or above and goes forward is a knock on?


i did think the ball momentarily touched the grass, but it was hard to be sure... TBH, I'd have called that a knock on.


Dont think the grass was relevant, the fact it came forward off above his knee is supposedly deemed a knock on now, it didnt actually touch his hands


Both Adams and Foxy knocoked the ball on ( hands)... I thought it was pretty clear tbh.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 3:44pm
They zoomed in and the pundits said it didnt actually touch foxys hands and the knock on was given because it bounced forward off his knee

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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 3:49pm

  First time I have seen a knock on of the knees,Monye actually said it is a knock on under the laws new one on me .


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 3:56pm
England only 30 points to 5 at halftime. Nothing to worry about.🙄🙄

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Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

[QUOTE=Mogwen] A few positives from, what really was, a poor game.

Nicky smith - did well in the scrums, evident in the loose.
Elliot Dee - carried many times, not much yardage. Needs to learn how to pass and throw in. Far too many poor lineout throw ins
Samson - scrummaged well, carried strong but not that evident around the field.
Jake - one of his better games. carried well and cleared out effectivley
Adam Beard - He's 6"8 and 20st. Thats the only thing that ever stands out when you watch him play.
Wainwright - getting better with each game. Solid but not spectacular.
Navidi - again stand out performance. No more to say
Young - did what he was supposed to do as a 7 - tackled well, turned over ball. all in all a very good game
Aled Davies - Poor. slow and kicked everything.
Biggar - proved he's not an attacking 10.
Adams - dangerous and carried well
Watkins - poor start but improved
Foxy - nothing spectacular but not great service for him to shine
Holmes - Like adams - solid and carried well
Sanjay - sanjay. strong, fearless.

I like the looks of dillon lewis. Thought he offered a different dimension when he came on.

Beard is 6'8 but is not 20st , he is just over 18st, [/QUOTE

On one stat, after the junior world cup, had him at 20st 2lbs.

Ospreys and Wales profile have him at 6'8 and 18st5

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

They zoomed in and the pundits said it didnt actually touch foxys hands and the knock on was given because it bounced forward off his knee


Foxy knew he’d knocked it on. No disrespect to anyone.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

England only 30 points to 5 at halftime. Nothing to worry about.🙄🙄

Mercy me they are on fire. Their kicking game is destroying France. its so smart, theyre kicking accurately at the right time. Not out of des[eration on the back foot, theyre kicking when on the front foot, behind the french making them turn and retreat. Allied to the power of vunipolas sinkler and co....To compare their kicking today to aled davies mindless box kicks is chalk and cheese. Englands kicking is accurate its smart its done to maximize the difficulty at all times for the frence. The chase is superb and their winning the aerially battles too. everyone is in on it, not just farell, ashton just laid a kick on a plate for mays hat trick. just smart intelligent heads up rugby playing whats in front of them. All behind a dominant pack winning collisions. 

I was hoping yesterday would be a chance to build welsh confidence for the saes, alas yesterday failed achieve that. I didnt agree with the selection, particulary of aled davies. 11 wins in a row sounds nice, but we aint beaten the top 3 teams and the performance was poor. The fact we missed the bonus could cost us any chance of the title too. 


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Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 5:00pm
Wales have defeated two of the poorest six nations sides I've seen for years.   I can't say I've enjoyed any of three internationals played this weekend. So much kicking and little invention.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 5:10pm
It seems the team in possession often loses atm ....Turnover ball is key Im not convinced the referees are policing the backfoot offside line properly....2 bad decisions from nigel today...1 that was not a legit penalty try for england, penalty yes, no way penalty try...farell try was a farce too...may knocked on and he held back the french tackler...owens also failed to card sinkler for what a bloke on top of the head....poor decisions nigel

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 7:22pm
England look big strong and fast. I fear for us in 2 weeks time truth be told.

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 8:15pm
Not sure that England will want to kick as much to our back 3 as they did today.


Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 8:26pm
One of North's great weaknesses is turning round to cover (the kick behind him), I just hope Gatland & Howley develop some sort of system to cover both wings. 

Liam will have to be brave ( no issues there) and not be to clever in trying to run everything out (may be an issue) they will put pressure on him as he is one of our best players. I'll not be surprised if Jones will think of playing mind games with him like Patchell last season.

Adams is good, while North needs to be switched on for the WHOLE game.

I honestly can't see Wales playing as badly as France did, and I think the pack is a better unit than the French, but we will have to be at our very best Plus, to have a chance of winning.




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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 8:30pm
Gareth Davies will have to curb his rush defence tactic and revert to a sweeper role.

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Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 8:35pm
As I've said previously, I'd like to see how England will cope with a dose of their own medicine with us putting the ball behind their rush defence and see how they cope with turning and coping with an awkwardly bouncing ball when hounded by rapid Welsh chasers. Farrell also needs to be challenged, and put on his backside early on so that he knows that he is not going to get an "armchair ride" to choose his kicking options (which he does brilliantly when not under pressure) My biggest worry is that Anscombe does not have the kicking accuracy to give our chasers the chance to pressurise the England defenders (also assuming North and co chase like they did in the second half against France, not the first)
After that it's just a matter of sorting our lineout !!!!!


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 10 February 2019 at 9:09pm
Jiffy was also very critical of the French back three positioning which gave Farrell room to kick. We shall be better than that! However if we only get 60-70% of line outs v England we shall suffer for it. Line out Training for next 2 weeks!

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 5:50am
woodward reckons the irish and french back 3 were all too far up the field and you need to stay deeper...clearly france were wide open to all chips behind them....most of their tries have been counter attacking chip and chase jobs....all finished accurately with great pace and precision. 

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 5:51am
Oh and nigel made 2 dodgy decisions adding to french woes

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 8:10am
Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

As I've said previously, I'd like to see how England will cope with a dose of their own medicine with us putting the ball behind their rush defence and see how they cope with turning and coping with an awkwardly bouncing ball when hounded by rapid Welsh chasers. Farrell also needs to be challenged, and put on his backside early on so that he knows that he is not going to get an "armchair ride" to choose his kicking options (which he does brilliantly when not under pressure) My biggest worry is that Anscombe does not have the kicking accuracy to give our chasers the chance to pressurise the England defenders (also assuming North and co chase like they did in the second half against France, not the first)
After that it's just a matter of sorting our lineout !!!!!

Farrell kicked with great precision. Such a competitive player and add to that his defence. Can we emulate him really? 🤔 I doubt it personally.and we don’t have the pace of England on a chase.but we have to try( assuming we have any line out ball!). Yep, I am very worried. Lots of work to do.

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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 9:32am
OTE=roy munster] Oh and nigel made 2 dodgy decisions adding to french woes[/QUOTE]
Never a penalty try or yellow card. The ball bounced away from Ashton so there is no way he could have gathered it.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 10:36am
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

OTE=roy munster] Oh and nigel made 2 dodgy decisions adding to french woes

Never a penalty try or yellow card. The ball bounced away from Ashton so there is no way he could have gathered it.[/QUOTE]

Possibly not but he gave the benefit to the attacking team and Ashton was tackled without the ball a few yards from the line and he is a top finisher. It it were Wales being denied a score methinks we might be agreeing with Nigel's decision! Regardless it was a cricket score win for England. They look the business (sadly)


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 10:55am
Fickou's daft tackle of Ashton created the chance for that adjudication.

I for one thought it ballsy call...we need more of the same in the Pro 14.


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 11:11am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Fickou's daft tackle of Ashton created the chance for that adjudication.

I for one thought it ballsy call...we need more of the same in the Pro 14.


Agree Wil, but Nigel bottled it twice against the O's. Luke Morgan's knock down was deliberate and was not an attempt to catch the ball. On the ref mic Nigel said that Morgan was in a position to make an interception. That was a ridiculous attempt to justify bottling the decision.

Secondly second half, Nigel clearly told Tipuric that it was a 'last final warning'. Scarlets kicked to the corner, 2-3 phases late Tipuric kicked the ball out of the ruck. NIgel said that Tipuric was off balance and was pushed. Another poor effort to bottle a decision.

I know the O' s were unhappy with the penalty count against them, but rarely do you see a side concede 17 pens in a game and not get a YC.


Posted By: sospanman
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 11:46am
No surprises there surely?
Owens' would be loving the adulation of the Twickers faithful.


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 1:09pm
Foxy better watch that rush defence.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 2:17pm
Well what positives can we take from that weekend? I am really struggling to find any. This 6 nations had a great billing but Ireland V England apart the rugby has been dreadful. We have loads of problems but none greater than our total lack of half backs. Neither starting pairs of half backs this season would have got 5/10 - you just don't win rugby games with that poor return from your generals. 

Our rugby has been pretty mindless and not even seasoned guys like Foxy are able to rise above the mediocre. England on the other hand are playing well - very ably led by their excellent half backs delivering a low risk, well thought out gameplan. I really feel for Rhys Patchell because this turn of events could have catapulted him to the starting position for the World Cup. Some things have been decided not by someone grabbing the shirt but by others giving it up.

Francis is the starting 3 & Samson will struggle to get in the 23 due to the skills Dillon Lewis brings. Ryan must be close to getting the 16 shirt. Jake must be close to getting the 4 shirt. Young will not start at 7 while Tips is playing like he is. Cawdor, for all his failings, must start against England. Patchell hopefully is fit to start in Treviso to make his case. Scott is 1st choice 12 and Watkin 2nd. England will target North will May showing far better form in the air and being appreciably quicker - the Welsh team lack in general pace.

Wales won't get near England if our experienced players don't start to perform.This tournament needs to deliver a quality competitive game. Are we up to making a game of it? 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 2:41pm
Were missing a few but not a great number, Halfpenny , patchell and faletau who is our best player and shingler, lydiate who may or may not have made the side

Our team looks reasonable on paper. Cawdor is a nailed on starter for me.
I cant see hapenny and patchell making it back in time sadly. I think the 10 shirt is our biggest weakness atm and depth at 8. 

Id say select almost the same team as for France just changing cawdor and Id bring wainwright in and put navidi on the bench cover all 3 back row positions. Hill will also be benching. Not sure about the last back on the bench? shame steff was tried as he makes things happen more than most. So probably watkin who was solid





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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 2:54pm
Ask the question, how many Welsh players would get in the England side?
Alun Wyn possibly
Tipuric possibly
Foxy possibly.
That's about it in my opinion.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Ask the question, how many Welsh players would get in the England side?
Alun Wyn possibly
Tipuric possibly
Foxy possibly.
That's about it in my opinion.

atm north tips foxy awj moriarty at 6 cawdor ...if we win maybe a few more


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 11 February 2019 at 4:00pm
It's not possible to be optimistic after England's performance - I don't count Wales's show, as that was a long way from the first 23. I'll remain hopeful (as always)... maybe Gats and Edwards can come up with a system to counteract England's two approaches - big bashing runs, followed by clever kicks - plus some big hits in defence. A week is a long time in politics, and a fortnight an aeon in rugby (let's hope).

Compared to recent seasons, England's main improvement has come from having their three big bashers fit (Vunipolas plus Tuilangi), and also from May's development from rapid headless chicken to world class wing - in attack, anyway. Let's see if we can put him, and the rest, under pressure in defence - but to do that, we'll have to play a hell of a lot better, and not throw away ball in the lineout or from stupid penalties. 

It's such a pity that Patch is injured - Anscombe doesn't convince, and Biggar is limited... the choice at 10 will come down to the game plan adopted, I think. Players under pressure include Parkes (from Watkin), Tomos W (from Cawdor) and Beard (from Jake and Cory Hill), though I suspect he'll survive given his extra height. Surely, Rob Evans will start ahead of 'penalty machine' Smith at LH prop. 

It mainly comes down to the question of whether Wales can play a LOT better than in the last two games, and England play a bit worse. On current form, there can only be one winner, though.


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