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Topic: Our vision as a Rugby club?
Posted By: Speedy
Subject: Our vision as a Rugby club?
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 8:30am
Can anyone tell me what it is?

We have always relied on trotting out lines about our history heritage yadda yadda yadda. 

But I really dont see a proper all round vision for our CLUB. To build on those excellent foundations we have over other clubs.

To innovate, to prepare for the inevitable changes that are about to happen to the global game. I really worry that we yet again get ourselves into a good position, and just stagnate. 

On the pitch we still havnt found a number 8, by the time we do, it will be time to start wasting years looking for a tight head again as Samson will be finishing.Confused 

Off the pitch despite the fine efforts of CRYS16 the fans connection with the club is poor. Our Presence on a matchday is an after thought in matchday planning. Supporters noise atmosphere and verour doesnt even seem to be in the itinerary. We seem happy to copy the PA plastic soundbites and pop music that plastic clubs pump out because they need to.

I keep getting fooled into thinking we are getting things right by this club. 

Am I the only one noticing this? 


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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 9:12am
Interesting thread and sometimes I asked to myself where we would like to go to. Who are at the moment our inspirational model..
A club who grows and believe in his local talents or a club who find  experienced palyers for compete at high level with the risk, as this year happened, to wrong his market choices.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 9:40am
To be honest speedy I wonder the same most clubs who have won a title were runners up the following year which included a H cup semi final would have kicked on but due to crap signings and "injuries" we have dropped off the scale and are now clinging on for dear life in Europe.

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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 9:50am
It’s a tough one. If we were to set our stall out and say go down the lines of only playing welsh qualifying players, we would struggle to be competitive from the off as we don’t have enough talent within the region to be competitive and the cost of bringing in welsh talent from the other regions would cost us a lot of money. We would also be unfairly treated during the international windows.
Another problem with that rugby model is that apart from in Ireland and New Zealand where the players are centrally contracted and financed appropriately, this model hasn’t really been very successful in terms of producing trophies etc. Although it would be great to be the first region to be successful using this model.
With regards to the fans experience on match day, I certainly agree that we should be doing more. We have a fantastic facility in the shape of the barn, which has been widely praised by away supporters over the years. The music being pumped out by the PA system is not great. We should be promoting our strong welsh heritage more by having more welsh music and utilising the Scarlets choir more, not half an hour before kickoff when no one are in their seats or listening, but during the halftime break, when there are enough people in the stadium. There is no reason why they can’t sing a few songs whilst the youngsters are playing tag rugby.


Posted By: henry_winkler
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 12:42pm
Exeter are a pretty good model to follow, get our house right at the domestic front then build on that going in to Europe.

Hopefully Brad won't have to start from the beginning


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 12:54pm
While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't really know how you can expect some sort of dominance from any team out of Wales. When your budget is 1 quarter of most french and english teams, getting out of the group stages is a feat in itself. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 1:33pm
I think, really, that you're talking about two different things here (not to say that there isn't some sort of connection, but still):

1. The club - its history, and how we see that developing (or how we'd LIKE things to go), including the match day experience etc. Now, like you I don't care for loud music and would prefer to let the fans sing and shout. I can't say if the younger generation feel the same though. I still think that despite the nostalgia some feel for Stradey - understandably - the facilities at the Parc are so much better that the move was needed. Scarlets have been decried in some quarters for a perceived selfishness in remaining as a stand-alone entity, not a merged one - so I think the history of Llanelli rugby club feeds very directly into the DNA of the Scarlets as a region. The Ospreys, for all that they have been a successful team, don't have that - I do respect their achievements, though.

2. The team and its success - here, as usual, we're on a roller-coaster. No team stays at the top ALL the time, and in leagues where it's always the same one or two clubs on top (in football, Scotland, Spain) it must get a bit boring and sick-making for supporters of the other clubs. The only way Scarlets can improve, though, is to continue to find occasional bargains (Beirne, for example) to top up home grown talent. Unless the WRU loosen the purse strings, the Welsh regions are simply not able to sign top class overseas players to fill the gaps, or even retain 'our own' - Stevo, Foxy and Sanjay have all left to play for wealthier clubs in the recent past. The end result is that we need a bit of luck with injuries and with recruitment before we can have 'good seasons'.

That's how I see it, anyway.


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 5:26pm
Great feed, I thought it'd be good to capture a range of views on this as it had also been on my mind.

Here's a http://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5" rel="nofollow - short survey that i'd love posters to fill out if you've got an opinion!




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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't really know how you can expect some sort of dominance from any team out of Wales. When your budget is 1 quarter of most french and english teams, getting out of the group stages is a feat in itself. 

Leinster have dominated europe on much less than the French and English.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 8:40am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

I think, really, that you're talking about two different things here (not to say that there isn't some sort of connection, but still):

1. The club - its history, and how we see that developing (or how we'd LIKE things to go), including the match day experience etc. Now, like you I don't care for loud music and would prefer to let the fans sing and shout. I can't say if the younger generation feel the same though. I still think that despite the nostalgia some feel for Stradey - understandably - the facilities at the Parc are so much better that the move was needed. Scarlets have been decried in some quarters for a perceived selfishness in remaining as a stand-alone entity, not a merged one - so I think the history of Llanelli rugby club feeds very directly into the DNA of the Scarlets as a region. The Ospreys, for all that they have been a successful team, don't have that - I do respect their achievements, though.

2. The team and its success - here, as usual, we're on a roller-coaster. No team stays at the top ALL the time, and in leagues where it's always the same one or two clubs on top (in football, Scotland, Spain) it must get a bit boring and sick-making for supporters of the other clubs. The only way Scarlets can improve, though, is to continue to find occasional bargains (Beirne, for example) to top up home grown talent. Unless the WRU loosen the purse strings, the Welsh regions are simply not able to sign top class overseas players to fill the gaps, or even retain 'our own' - Stevo, Foxy and Sanjay have all left to play for wealthier clubs in the recent past. The end result is that we need a bit of luck with injuries and with recruitment before we can have 'good seasons'.

That's how I see it, anyway.

We are a Rugby CLUB that represents a regional area, but we also attract fans from further afield. Something that is woefully lost on any marketing we do. The regional concept is insular and backwards thinking. Its caused us to be more village minded than when we were Llanelli RFC. If we want to compete, then we need to expand. Across Wales and beyond.

We have missed a massive opportunity once again during these last two years of relative success. Now we are back where we started before Pivac took over. We got to be patient and wait for the rebuild once again, but we see near misses as success because we punch above our weight, rather than using the success to springboard us into being heavier!


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 8:52am
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Great feed, I thought it'd be good to capture a range of views on this as it had also been on my mind.

Here's a http://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5" rel="nofollow - short survey that i'd love posters to fill out if you've got an opinion!



Excellent survey. What will you do with the results?


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 8:58am
I think you can pinpoint a change in ethos that has caused this club to stagnate to what it used to be.

Upon "regionalisation", we changed our brand, our new motto became "Yma O Hyd" a neutral statement of being happy to just be here.

Compared to our old Motto of "Ymlaen Llanelli"

There is a clear mindset change in the expectations pre and post 2003.


One focussed on progress and moving forward, one was proud to be standing still.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 8:59am
Still here? yes we are bois, and everyone else is leaving us behind.

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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 9:08am
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't really know how you can expect some sort of dominance from any team out of Wales. When your budget is 1 quarter of most french and english teams, getting out of the group stages is a feat in itself. 


Leinster have dominated europe on much less than the French and English.
That’s not true whatsoever. Leinster’s budget is pretty significant and you also need to take into consideration the tax break.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 9:19am
Interesting thread and long overdue..whats our mission statement and masterplan ? Are we ambitious enough to become the best and remain the best? We have wasted a gilt edged chance with the squad weve had with umpteen welsh stars and lions etc Simply by failing to cover crucial areas , mainly an 8 and like for like replacements for the many stars we have lost...I shall have a ramble later.

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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Great feed, I thought it'd be good to capture a range of views on this as it had also been on my mind.

Here's a http://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5" rel="nofollow - short survey that i'd love posters to fill out if you've got an opinion!


Excellent survey. What will you do with the results?

Will post results this weekend. Some clear answers already.

Got 40 great responses so far, so the more the merrier.




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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 12:51pm
All done


Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Great feed, I thought it'd be good to capture a range of views on this as it had also been on my mind.

Here's a http://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5" rel="nofollow - short survey that i'd love posters to fill out if you've got an opinion!



Done


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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 2:08pm
Our Vision as a rugby club is to be the best - or it should be. It's that simple.

FWIW, I think the board and Nigel have done a fantastic job raising revenues and building a competitive squad and coaching team. We're undoubtedly the best in Wales at generating non-benefactor income, and the benefactors do an excellent job as well. Hell, Nigel came within a whisker of taking over the best of the Ospreys' squad and a chink of their funding a couple of months ago!

Everything else is almost irrelevant. Nothing else the club does can come close to the league run in in 2017 or last season's Toulon and La Rochelle games. 

You have to be in the KO stages of competitions to generate big crowds and big atmospheres. 


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 12:33am
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Our Vision as a rugby club is to be the best - or it should be. It's that simple.

Everything else is almost irrelevant. Nothing else the club does can come close to the league run in in 2017 or last season's Toulon and La Rochelle games. 

You have to be in the KO stages of competitions to generate big crowds and big atmospheres. 

The 'best' by what metric?

Revenue?
Profit?
Trophies?
Games won?
Attendances?
Developing home grown talent?
Most songs?

Saracens win but don't fill 10,000 every week
Exeter turn a profit but they can't get out the European group stages
Clermont don't always win, but can create a big atmosphere every week

Comparing it to soccer, Real Madrid are 'the best' club by European trophies, but a famously bad atmosphere around the club. Would you rather be like like Chelsea FC or Borussia Dortmund etc. 

I think that's the point of this thread - everyone wants to win. But how should the Scarlets win?


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 12:36am
Originally posted by PritchyTheScarlet PritchyTheScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Great feed, I thought it'd be good to capture a range of views on this as it had also been on my mind.

Here's a http://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5" rel="nofollow - short survey that i'd love posters to fill out if you've got an opinion!


Done

Thanks, more the merrier.

CICK  http://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5" rel="nofollow - short survey  CLICK


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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:06am
Filled in the survey - interesting questions.  My attempt at a vision is....

"A family orientated club, mixing home grown talent with a few excellent talented, creative players from around the world to produce an exiting team that consistently performs and entertains at the top table of world club rugby"


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:12am
I'd like to get to the stage where we aren't seen as 'punching above our weight' when we do well.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:14am
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Filled in the survey - interesting questions.  My attempt at a vision is....

"A family orientated club, mixing home grown talent with a few excellent talented, creative players from around the world to produce an exiting team that consistently performs and entertains at the top table of world club rugby"

Nail. Head. Bosh. These are exactly the things that make me proud to be a Scarlet. You know what, I think you'd do a blydi good job as club PR/regional ambassador Rob. 


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:20am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Filled in the survey - interesting questions.  My attempt at a vision is....

"A family orientated club, mixing home grown talent with a few excellent talented, creative players from around the world to produce an exiting team that consistently performs and entertains at the top table of world club rugby"

Nail. Head. Bosh. These are exactly the things that make me proud to be a Scarlet. You know what, I think you'd do a blydi good job as club PR/regional ambassador Rob. 
Thanks. Embarrassed

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:28am
The pillars that underpin our business, and that we need ( in fact most entities need) we generally have, but, they aren't all the same height, and some are made of a more durable material than others...!

1)
-A (sustainable) physical asset base aligned to our aspiration ( stadium, training facilities, debt linked to the asset etc)...9/10

2)
-An income stream that aligns to our on field aspiration...split in to two really....things that we control alone, and things that are governed by others..
ALONE
-Match day experiences - 7/10
-Sponsors and sponsorship - 6/10
-Replica and merchandise - 4/10 ( supporters view only..)

GOVERNANCE LIES WITH OTHERS
-TV revenue 3/10
-competition funding 4/10
-NDC or it's derivatives 6/10

3)
Player development pathway or talent development- 7/10

4)
Player retention ( affordability ) - 8/10

5)
Quality and focus of the business,coaching and on field leadership - 9/10


There's a host of smaller, but still quite important challenges or KPI's of course, but I think these are the main ones.

It's the nature of any business that not all the cylinder's of they business are firing on all cylinders at the same time too of course.



Posted By: pillory
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 11:45am
Surprised at this, to be honest.
It felt like the board gave Pivac and Co a very clear mandate for style of play, as well as playing targets.
It is evident that the organisation feels a strong sense of community within the wider region is critical.
And it is clear they believe respect for past accomplishments and the importance of continuity in all the above is important.

If none of this is clear on the outside, perhaps it is more a communication job that needs to be done than a substantive one?


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by pillory pillory wrote:

Surprised at this, to be honest.
It felt like the board gave Pivac and Co a very clear mandate for style of play, as well as playing targets.
It is evident that the organisation feels a strong sense of community within the wider region is critical.
And it is clear they believe respect for past accomplishments and the importance of continuity in all the above is important.

If none of this is clear on the outside, perhaps it is more a communication job that needs to be done than a substantive one?
Your absolutely right and I think it is clear. 

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 12:58pm
A very valid and interesting thread. It is very true that our history is extremely important to us & will continue to be so. However when it comes to attracting & keeping players how big a part does it play?Look at Saracens for example. They are serial winners and that is what attracted Liam for instance. Apparently the sums offered were pretty similar. 

Saracens do not have the proud history that we have or indeed the role of honour of previous players so how do we maximise this important aspect of the Scarlets. Added to that is the fact that Munster apart we have the most vociferous travelling support base in the UK/Ireland. That history will have played a part in attracting Bard Mooar for instance but its strength is far more in inspiring our young local players who are & will in the future be the lifeblood of our club. Our focus is and should be redoubled in fast tracking this talent. This focus will inevitably lead us to be described as punching above our weight when successes come - what is wrong with that? It is true financially even compared to the Irish regions. 

How many of us on here would happily swap our lot for say Saracens? Would we be happy if we were to find a benefactor who was prepared to underwrite debts of £50-60 million which would allow us to attract International players from all over the World. My response to my question would be no way. 

We are all very disappointed in how this season has panned out - of course I get it. The basic facts are there for all to see - a crippling injury list which has robbed us of some of most influential players for most/large parts of the season - Aaron, Cubby, Blade, Casseim, Jake, Patchell & Halfpenny. Even the mighty Saracens would struggle a little without say the Vunipolas, Itoje, Farrell, Liam & Goode. Added to that availability issue it is pretty clear that the coaching staff have been well below par as well. One thing is for sure - this club are in good hands, people who understand our issues & have plans to rectify the problems. We will be back!!!!!




Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't really know how you can expect some sort of dominance from any team out of Wales. When your budget is 1 quarter of most french and english teams, getting out of the group stages is a feat in itself. 


Leinster have dominated europe on much less than the French and English.
but they have been able to keep all the Irish internationals even as 2nd or 3rd choice players due to that lovely tax refund they get after 10 years. Add that sum in the mix, they are probably spending more than the English. Add to that the IRFU own the players. Not sure how much wages leinster spend but in that sum the likes of sexton are not included as they are paid by the union.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 1:11pm
Possibly two different branches being discussed which reinforce each other, good times and bad:
1. Performance, player recruitment/retention, style of play and ultimately coach selection
2. Matchday experience and fan engagement, club history and branding

Are we talking more about point 1, the "on the pitch" one, here? 


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't really know how you can expect some sort of dominance from any team out of Wales. When your budget is 1 quarter of most french and english teams, getting out of the group stages is a feat in itself. 


Leinster have dominated europe on much less than the French and English.
but they have been able to keep all the Irish internationals even as 2nd or 3rd choice players due to that lovely tax refund they get after 10 years. Add that sum in the mix, they are probably spending more than the English. Add to that the IRFU own the players. Not sure how much wages leinster spend but in that sum the likes of sexton are not included as they are paid by the union.
It's totally inaccurate to say Leinster have been successful on much less money than the French and English sides.

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Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 3:09pm
Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace
Wrong

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace


Don't be silly, we have the massive super end of season surprise....


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace


Don't be silly, we have the massive super end of season surprise....

Cochyn's 2-year deal (as revealed in another thread)?


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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Our Vision as a rugby club is to be the best - or it should be. It's that simple.

Everything else is almost irrelevant. Nothing else the club does can come close to the league run in in 2017 or last season's Toulon and La Rochelle games. 

You have to be in the KO stages of competitions to generate big crowds and big atmospheres. 

The 'best' by what metric?

Revenue?
Profit?
Trophies?
Games won?
Attendances?
Developing home grown talent?
Most songs?

Saracens win but don't fill 10,000 every week
Exeter turn a profit but they can't get out the European group stages
Clermont don't always win, but can create a big atmosphere every week

Comparing it to soccer, Real Madrid are 'the best' club by European trophies, but a famously bad atmosphere around the club. Would you rather be like like Chelsea FC or Borussia Dortmund etc. 

I think that's the point of this thread - everyone wants to win. But how should the Scarlets win?
Winning games and competitions. I thought that was obvious


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Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace


Don't be silly, we have the massive super end of season surprise....

Like?


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:


Winning games and competitions. I thought that was obvious

It seems obvious on paper. But should we be winning games and trophies while racking up huge debts, with no home-grown players, singing Ole Ole Ole West Wales Super Eagles?


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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by pillory pillory wrote:

Surprised at this, to be honest.
It felt like the board gave Pivac and Co a very clear mandate for style of play, as well as playing targets.
It is evident that the organisation feels a strong sense of community within the wider region is critical.
And it is clear they believe respect for past accomplishments and the importance of continuity in all the above is important.

If none of this is clear on the outside, perhaps it is more a communication job that needs to be done than a substantive one?
Your absolutely right and I think it is clear. 
Agreed.


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Starting to believe our signings are done and we are going into next season with what we got. Can't see an improvement mdwt year, we were exposed by lack of power and pace
Wrong
must be so empowering to be in the know must be such a buzz.


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:


Winning games and competitions. I thought that was obvious

It seems obvious on paper. But should we be winning games and trophies while racking up huge debts, with no home-grown players, singing Ole Ole Ole West Wales Super Eagles?
it's a balance between home grown players many of whom are world class over the years and intelligent signings not ones who have fallen off an ambulance.


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 7:32pm
Initial feedback from the survey looks like this:

http://stories.typeform.com/story/01DACAPFAB6M5M76BRX2TBARZD" rel="nofollow - https://stories.typeform.com/story/01DACAPFAB6M5M76BRX2TBARZD

I'll share the more qualitative feedback on the weekend.


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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 8:33pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Initial feedback from the survey looks like this:

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I'll share the more qualitative feedback on the weekend.
Thanks. It’s really interesting.

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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 10:48pm
Interesting stuff, cheers!

One note about plucky Exeter and their small budget, they have income of £17m, a wage bill of £10m and a debt of £12m.

But they made a profit of £1m last season as well.


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 09 May 2019 at 10:00am
It's not so much the size of the figures in Exeter's accounts but more the perception of how they go about business. Alot of stability (Baxter has alot to do with that), alot of homegrown talent, not alot of poaching world superstars, alot of reworking mediocre players from elsewhere (Damian Welch) and an appearance of being very community based. Some of this is possibly more perception than fact but they are definitely not an English version of Toulon. And their stadium could do with a rebuild.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 May 2019 at 10:11am
Originally posted by John John wrote:

It's not so much the size of the figures in Exeter's accounts but more the perception of how they go about business. Alot of stability (Baxter has alot to do with that), alot of homegrown talent, not alot of poaching world superstars, alot of reworking mediocre players from elsewhere (Damian Welch) and an appearance of being very community based. Some of this is possibly more perception than fact but they are definitely not an English version of Toulon. And their stadium could do with a rebuild.

They are definitely a well run and well supported success story. Let us not forget that the homegrown talent starts with Baxter. It will be interesting to see how Tom Price performs next season. My feeling is that he will improve as the forward coaching is superior.


Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 09 May 2019 at 1:40pm
Exeter are lucky in one way, and they have developed that, there is no major rugby side for at around 2 hours travelling time to the east ish, and certainly nothing to the west.

Good marketing helps, and a large catchment area, and quite affluent.

They started the dream when they moved and changed the name around 2000, even though they were founded before the Scarlets, something I am sorry to say Scarlets failed when the move to PYS took place.






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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 May 2019 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Initial feedback from the survey looks like this:

http://stories.typeform.com/story/01DACAPFAB6M5M76BRX2TBARZD" rel="nofollow - https://stories.typeform.com/story/01DACAPFAB6M5M76BRX2TBARZD

I'll share the more qualitative feedback on the weekend.

Thanks for your volunteer work on this - the survey was easy to fill in, with clear questions - unlike many I've seen (not speaking rugby here) in the past.


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 09 May 2019 at 3:13pm
No worries. (I spend most of my job running surveys at the minute)

Also, I saw recent meeting with JSG & WRU mentioned Attendances will be a focus in future.

“There was a detailed discussion in respect of the supporter experience and ticketing. MK said that the research seemed to suggest that the price of season tickets were too low but that the overall price point on match tickets was about right. One of the key requirements for all regions was to drive attendances up. There was agreement from all that regions could and should do better – but under resourced in commercial departments.”

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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 09 May 2019 at 3:15pm
So if anyone reading this hasn't filled out the survey yet - please do!

http://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5" rel="nofollow - https://findaplayer.typeform.com/to/RJXSH5

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

No worries. (I spend most of my job running surveys at the minute)

Also, I saw recent meeting with JSG & WRU mentioned Attendances will be a focus in future.

“There was a detailed discussion in respect of the supporter experience and ticketing. MK said that the research seemed to suggest that the price of season tickets were too low but that the overall price point on match tickets was about right. One of the key requirements for all regions was to drive attendances up. There was agreement from all that regions could and should do better – but under resourced in commercial departments.”


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Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 15 May 2019 at 3:54pm
Yma o hyd is  a song about Wales and how the Welsh language has survived  despite  the tribulations and difficulties over the years. 

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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Yma o hyd is  a song about Wales and how the Welsh language has survived  despite  the tribulations and difficulties over the years. 

Yes, quite. I dont want mere survival for this rugby club tho.

I want progression innovation and domination. Ymlaen.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:29pm
Yma O Hyd was only relevant twice to this rugby club once when Robyn Mcbryde chose it when we faced bakrupcy from the Mel Davies saga, and again during the threat of the mergers with Moffet. Other than those two occasions its had little relevance to us.

As a motto, and as a song.

Ymlaen was always our motto, and Sospan Fach our anthem.

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Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:50pm
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Yma O Hyd was only relevant twice to this rugby club once when Robyn Mcbryde chose it when we faced bakrupcy from the Mel Davies saga, and again during the threat of the mergers with Moffet. Other than those two occasions its had little relevance to us.

As a motto, and as a song.

Ymlaen was always our motto, and Sospan Fach our anthem.

Quite why this weak minded image and thought process replaced the stronger one I really cant tell you.
I always thought it was more of a "[beep] You" message than anything meek. 


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Yma O Hyd was only relevant twice to this rugby club once when Robyn Mcbryde chose it when we faced bakrupcy from the Mel Davies saga, and again during the threat of the mergers with Moffet. Other than those two occasions its had little relevance to us.

As a motto, and as a song.

Ymlaen was always our motto, and Sospan Fach our anthem.

Quite why this weak minded image and thought process replaced the stronger one I really cant tell you.
I always thought it was more of a "[beep] You" message than anything meek. 

Haha! Yes, I think that 'Yma o hyd' is definitely intended as a two-finger salute to our detractors! But Speedy forgets one significant occasion when the song really mattered - when Dafydd Iwan sang it in Stradey, before we stuffed Leicester Tigers thanks to a superb forward effort, and (I think) 18 points from Stevo's boot.

I do sort of agree with Speedy, though - obviously, Sospan Fach is, and was, the anthem of Llanelli rugby, and should remain so.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Yma O Hyd was only relevant twice to this rugby club once when Robyn Mcbryde chose it when we faced bakrupcy from the Mel Davies saga, and again during the threat of the mergers with Moffet. Other than those two occasions its had little relevance to us.

As a motto, and as a song.

Ymlaen was always our motto, and Sospan Fach our anthem.

Quite why this weak minded image and thought process replaced the stronger one I really cant tell you.
I always thought it was more of a "[beep] You" message than anything meek. 

In context to the motto it replaced it is neutral, happy to be "still here". very low expectations.

Rather than striving forward to acheive anything.

Celebrating mediocrity. Having "punched above our weight", when each year we get lighter and lighter.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 17 May 2019 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Yma O Hyd was only relevant twice to this rugby club once when Robyn Mcbryde chose it when we faced bakrupcy from the Mel Davies saga, and again during the threat of the mergers with Moffet. Other than those two occasions its had little relevance to us.

As a motto, and as a song.

Ymlaen was always our motto, and Sospan Fach our anthem.

Quite why this weak minded image and thought process replaced the stronger one I really cant tell you.
I always thought it was more of a "[beep] You" message than anything meek. 

Haha! Yes, I think that 'Yma o hyd' is definitely intended as a two-finger salute to our detractors! But Speedy forgets one significant occasion when the song really mattered - when Dafydd Iwan sang it in Stradey, before we stuffed Leicester Tigers thanks to a superb forward effort, and (I think) 18 points from Stevo's boot.

I do sort of agree with Speedy, though - obviously, Sospan Fach is, and was, the anthem of Llanelli rugby, and should remain so.

I dont mind Yma o Hyd being one of our songs. At Welford rd it was sung this season and it really resonated, even Leicester fans around us were in awe of it, despite not knowing its meaning. 

The point is highlighted perfectly in your recollection of that so called triumph tho....

"when Dafydd Iwan sang it in Stradey, before we stuffed Leicester Tigers thanks to a superb forward effort, and (I think) 18 points from Stevo's boot."

Never mind that they went on to win the trophy and we went out tho....can you see my point? Mediocrity held up as some sort of triumph.

All those losing semi finals have become some twisted badge of honour, and our post 2003 tacky branding promotes it.

Our marketing, branding and ethos really does need a rethink. Dare I say it a refresh.


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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 9:39am
There's nothing weak minded about  'Yma o Hyd', in fact it's quite the opposite.  It is a statement of intent that 'Mi fyddwn yma tan Ddydd y Farn' - 'we will be here until judgement day (no not that one).

It's powerful, drawing on history to show resilience and it is relevant to us every day of the week and twice on game day.  



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Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 12:37pm
Yn gwmws  Rob .  When we sang Yma o hyd  before the La Rochelle  game it  was one of the best moments of my time as a supporter

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Yn gwmws  Rob .  When we sang Yma o hyd  before the La Rochelle  game it  was one of the best moments of my time as a supporter


Agreed, the stadium was well & truly rocking that day!


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 12:46pm
Exactly Rob/Llandre. There is nothing wrong with being a good underdog. Yma o hyd epitomises the fight us ethnic minorities have had throughout history - even if I say that rather tongue in cheek there is nothing which can get a team/supporters more enthused than feeling you are not given the right respect before a contest. I remember a rendition being given on an away trip to Toulon when they were the best team in Europe. We had just scored to get within touching distance and a staunch Toulon fan next to me said we are going to lose this game - he had no idea what the song meant but he was very moved. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 8:01pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Exactly Rob/Llandre. There is nothing wrong with being a good underdog. Yma o hyd epitomises the fight us ethnic minorities have had throughout history - even if I say that rather tongue in cheek there is nothing which can get a team/supporters more enthused than feeling you are not given the right respect before a contest. I remember a rendition being given on an away trip to Toulon when they were the best team in Europe. We had just scored to get within touching distance and a staunch Toulon fan next to me said we are going to lose this game - he had no idea what the song meant but he was very moved. 
Lovely story.

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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

There's nothing weak minded about  'Yma o Hyd', in fact it's quite the opposite.  It is a statement of intent that 'Mi fyddwn yma tan Ddydd y Farn' - 'we will be here until judgement day (no not that one).

It's powerful, drawing on history to show resilience and it is relevant to us every day of the week and twice on game day.  

Highlighting a weak defeatest Welsh mentality that we are happy to just still be here and not move on and dominate.

The very attitude that sees us annually as also rans.




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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Exactly Rob/Llandre. There is nothing wrong with being a good underdog. Yma o hyd epitomises the fight us ethnic minorities have had throughout history - even if I say that rather tongue in cheek there is nothing which can get a team/supporters more enthused than feeling you are not given the right respect before a contest. I remember a rendition being given on an away trip to Toulon when they were the best team in Europe. We had just scored to get within touching distance and a staunch Toulon fan next to me said we are going to lose this game - he had no idea what the song meant but he was very moved. 

Yeap great story....did we go on and win it?

We seem happy on here to have the odd game where we beqat a big team against the odds and hold these up as trophies.

Whilst the heavy weights dont hold individual games up as being as important. 

Llanelli rugby should have been much bigger than it is, we actually punch below our weight. Thanks to defeatest attitudes from top to bottom.

I loved the memories of those games, and I held my head high even tho we lost the semi in Dublin. But once again we dont know how to build on any small form and momentum we build. Its our dna. Just happy to be here. Not looking to move forward.

Yma o Hyd

Ymlaen Llanelli. 

The difference in ethos is massive.


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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Exactly Rob/Llandre. There is nothing wrong with being a good underdog. Yma o hyd epitomises the fight us ethnic minorities have had throughout history - even if I say that rather tongue in cheek there is nothing which can get a team/supporters more enthused than feeling you are not given the right respect before a contest. I remember a rendition being given on an away trip to Toulon when they were the best team in Europe. We had just scored to get within touching distance and a staunch Toulon fan next to me said we are going to lose this game - he had no idea what the song meant but he was very moved. 

Yeap great story....did we go on and win it?

We seem happy on here to have the odd game where we beqat a big team against the odds and hold these up as trophies.

Whilst the heavy weights dont hold individual games up as being as important. 

Llanelli rugby should have been much bigger than it is, we actually punch below our weight. Thanks to defeatest attitudes from top to bottom.

I loved the memories of those games, and I held my head high even tho we lost the semi in Dublin. But once again we dont know how to build on any small form and momentum we build. Its our dna. Just happy to be here. Not looking to move forward.

Yma o Hyd

Ymlaen Llanelli. 

The difference in ethos is massive.
How do you work that one out? A club in a small town in west Wales competing against giants in massive English and French cities. You seem to be out of touch with the reality of where Welsh rugby is at financially.

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Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:



Llanelli rugby should have been much bigger than it is, we actually punch below our weight. Thanks to defeatest attitudes from top to bottom.
The fact that you believe this honestly undermines your own argument. 

It’s simply not true.


Posted By: rygbi11
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 7:05pm
Qualifying for the Champions Cup for the 2020/21 season surely is the short-term vision.


Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 22 May 2019 at 7:26pm
Yma o hyd is not a song written for the Scarlets. Calon Lan is a hymn but we  sing it.   

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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 8:08am
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

There's nothing weak minded about  'Yma o Hyd', in fact it's quite the opposite.  It is a statement of intent that 'Mi fyddwn yma tan Ddydd y Farn' - 'we will be here until judgement day (no not that one).

It's powerful, drawing on history to show resilience and it is relevant to us every day of the week and twice on game day.  

Highlighting a weak defeatest Welsh mentality that we are happy to just still be here and not move on and dominate.

The very attitude that sees us annually as also rans.


Speedy mate, I think you're looking at this through the wrong end of the Binoculars. Taking your logic a step further;

Should we really be dreaming of a team of Samson Lees?  Is that not undermining the contribution of the other 14 players on the field?

Are we all so insecure that we really worry if we're human or if we're Scarlet?  I mean we must all be a bunch of snowflakes if we get nervous when we see an open door. Need to get rid of that song pronto.

Yma o Hyd is very similar to Flower of Scotland in it's sentiment, and come to that, it's not a million miles away from our own 'Hen wlad fy nhadau'. Good luck with getting those songs removed from the songsheet. Smile

Just googled 'Yma o Hyd' and found a lovely story about one of the lines in the song being inspired by and old man talking to King Henry II........

"Never will it (Wales) be destroyed by the wrath of man, unless the wrath of God be added, nor do I think that any other nation than this of Wales, or any other tongue, whatever may hereafter come to pass, shall on the day of the great reckoning before the Most High Judge, answer for this corner of the Earth"

YMA O HYD  Smile


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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 8:59am
excellent post Rob

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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 9:10am
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

There's nothing weak minded about  'Yma o Hyd', in fact it's quite the opposite.  It is a statement of intent that 'Mi fyddwn yma tan Ddydd y Farn' - 'we will be here until judgement day (no not that one).

It's powerful, drawing on history to show resilience and it is relevant to us every day of the week and twice on game day.  

Highlighting a weak defeatest Welsh mentality that we are happy to just still be here and not move on and dominate.

The very attitude that sees us annually as also rans.


Speedy mate, I think you're looking at this through the wrong end of the Binoculars. Taking your logic a step further;

Should we really be dreaming of a team of Samson Lees?  Is that not undermining the contribution of the other 14 players on the field?

Are we all so insecure that we really worry if we're human or if we're Scarlet?  I mean we must all be a bunch of snowflakes if we get nervous when we see an open door. Need to get rid of that song pronto.

Yma o Hyd is very similar to Flower of Scotland in it's sentiment, and come to that, it's not a million miles away from our own 'Hen wlad fy nhadau'. Good luck with getting those songs removed from the songsheet. Smile

Just googled 'Yma o Hyd' and found a lovely story about one of the lines in the song being inspired by and old man talking to King Henry II........

"Never will it (Wales) be destroyed by the wrath of man, unless the wrath of God be added, nor do I think that any other nation than this of Wales, or any other tongue, whatever may hereafter come to pass, shall on the day of the great reckoning before the Most High Judge, answer for this corner of the Earth"

YMA O HYD  Smile

I do like living in a Scarlet submarine though. LOL


Posted By: redeyes
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 10:42am
Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Exactly Rob/Llandre. There is nothing wrong with being a good underdog. Yma o hyd epitomises the fight us ethnic minorities have had throughout history - even if I say that rather tongue in cheek there is nothing which can get a team/supporters more enthused than feeling you are not given the right respect before a contest. I remember a rendition being given on an away trip to Toulon when they were the best team in Europe. We had just scored to get within touching distance and a staunch Toulon fan next to me said we are going to lose this game - he had no idea what the song meant but he was very moved. 

Yeap great story....did we go on and win it?

We seem happy on here to have the odd game where we beqat a big team against the odds and hold these up as trophies.

Whilst the heavy weights dont hold individual games up as being as important. 

Llanelli rugby should have been much bigger than it is, we actually punch below our weight. Thanks to defeatest attitudes from top to bottom.

I loved the memories of those games, and I held my head high even tho we lost the semi in Dublin. But once again we dont know how to build on any small form and momentum we build. Its our dna. Just happy to be here. Not looking to move forward.

Yma o Hyd

Ymlaen Llanelli. 

The difference in ethos is massive.
Speedy, your enthusiasm is infectious and should be applauded. But suggesting we punch below our weight is way off the mark. 

We have just  had a poor season, but in the previous two seasons we won the pro 12 and were Champions cup semi finalists. When you compare our budget against those in Ireland and France where the gulf is vast, your comment simply doesn't hold water.


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 11:03am
Llanelli has a population on par with Caerphilly.

The Scarlets region is amongst the most sparsely populated in the country.

We produce some damn fine players though. Damn fine.

Songs with affinity, the Welsh language, club emblems, our heritage, colour, singing, big way crowds and a chippyness that irritates the pants off our rivals, are our signatures.

I’ll defend all those characteristics, whether justifiable or not !


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Llanelli has a population on par with Caerphilly.

The Scarlets region is amongst the most sparsely populated in the country.

We produce some damn fine players though. Damn fine.

Songs with affinity, the Welsh language, club emblems, our heritage, colour, singing, big way crowds and a chippyness that irritates the pants off our rivals, are our signatures.

I’ll defend all those characteristics, whether justifiable or not !

We certainly do Wil of that there is no doubt. You only have to look around the regional squads to see evidence of that as well as over the border where Dan Thomas is making a huge name for himself at Bristol & Josh Adams has been a revelation. 


Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 11:59am
I'm certainly not happy at our recent performances with so many squandered chances, but the last thing I blame is "Yma o hyd" which reflects the acievement of maintaining Y Gymraeg and the Welsh identity after 1600 years of colonization and exploitation. It is such a powerful anthem recognised widely and envied by many.
What would you have in its place? Surely not the moronic drum beating of the Ospreys fans or some Anglo-American pap with no relevance to our beloved region?
If you want a more positive declaration then can I suggest another Dafydd Iwan/Ar Log gem -"Cerddwn Ymlaen" which is almost as good as "Yma o hyd" but maybe less well known -perhaps because its not the Scarlets anthem.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Exactly Rob/Llandre. There is nothing wrong with being a good underdog. Yma o hyd epitomises the fight us ethnic minorities have had throughout history - even if I say that rather tongue in cheek there is nothing which can get a team/supporters more enthused than feeling you are not given the right respect before a contest. I remember a rendition being given on an away trip to Toulon when they were the best team in Europe. We had just scored to get within touching distance and a staunch Toulon fan next to me said we are going to lose this game - he had no idea what the song meant but he was very moved. 

Yeap great story....did we go on and win it?

We seem happy on here to have the odd game where we beqat a big team against the odds and hold these up as trophies.

Whilst the heavy weights dont hold individual games up as being as important. 

Llanelli rugby should have been much bigger than it is, we actually punch below our weight. Thanks to defeatest attitudes from top to bottom.

I loved the memories of those games, and I held my head high even tho we lost the semi in Dublin. But once again we dont know how to build on any small form and momentum we build. Its our dna. Just happy to be here. Not looking to move forward.

Yma o Hyd

Ymlaen Llanelli. 

The difference in ethos is massive.
How do you work that one out? A club in a small town in west Wales competing against giants in massive English and French cities. You seem to be out of touch with the reality of where Welsh rugby is at financially.
 
 
I thought we were a region encompassing all of west wales?Tongue


Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Yma o hyd is not a song written for the Scarlets. Calon Lan is a hymn but we  sing it.   

Where have advocated people stop singing Yma o Hyd?

I questioned the limited villigistic vision of our rugby club, by changing our once forward thinking ethos, to one that takes such pride in merely being there. 

There is a story about the fall of Liverpool fc in the late 80s early 90s, involving (iirc) Chelsea, with Dennis wise being part of the winning team.

Most people were already beaten just at the iconic historic sign in the tunnel "This is Anfield" Dennies Wise took a black marker to it and wrote "so what?" across it.

Now I ask the same question of our weak minded motto, Yma O Hyd......So what?


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 6:03pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Llanelli has a population on par with Caerphilly.

The Scarlets region is amongst the most sparsely populated in the country.

We produce some damn fine players though. Damn fine.

Songs with affinity, the Welsh language, club emblems, our heritage, colour, singing, big way crowds and a chippyness that irritates the pants off our rivals, are our signatures.

I’ll defend all those characteristics, whether justifiable or not !

But that doesnt adress any of my initial point. All those traditional songs are fine to make up our identity. But as our main vision, we choose to celebrate just being here. Not moving forward as we once did.

I dont know why people are bringing finance into this. Because if we WERE on a level playing field our motto would still read that of a pacifist. Lets address the things we can change. Any business has to have a strong mission statement, slogan etc.  Ours is weak. 


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Exactly Rob/Llandre. There is nothing wrong with being a good underdog. Yma o hyd epitomises the fight us ethnic minorities have had throughout history - even if I say that rather tongue in cheek there is nothing which can get a team/supporters more enthused than feeling you are not given the right respect before a contest. I remember a rendition being given on an away trip to Toulon when they were the best team in Europe. We had just scored to get within touching distance and a staunch Toulon fan next to me said we are going to lose this game - he had no idea what the song meant but he was very moved. 

Yeap great story....did we go on and win it?

We seem happy on here to have the odd game where we beqat a big team against the odds and hold these up as trophies.

Whilst the heavy weights dont hold individual games up as being as important. 

Llanelli rugby should have been much bigger than it is, we actually punch below our weight. Thanks to defeatest attitudes from top to bottom.

I loved the memories of those games, and I held my head high even tho we lost the semi in Dublin. But once again we dont know how to build on any small form and momentum we build. Its our dna. Just happy to be here. Not looking to move forward.

Yma o Hyd

Ymlaen Llanelli. 

The difference in ethos is massive.
How do you work that one out? A club in a small town in west Wales competing against giants in massive English and French cities. You seem to be out of touch with the reality of where Welsh rugby is at financially.
 
 
I thought we were a region encompassing all of west wales?Tongue

You may say we encompass all of West Wales.

I am saying we limit ourselves to the smallest lowest populated area in uk which is West Wales. We are a business we should be a national, maybe global brand. Yet we ignore anybody outside our group of rural towns and villages east of Loughor.

Weak.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

I'm certainly not happy at our recent performances with so many squandered chances, but the last thing I blame is "Yma o hyd" which reflects the acievement of maintaining Y Gymraeg and the Welsh identity after 1600 years of colonization and exploitation. It is such a powerful anthem recognised widely and envied by many.
What would you have in its place? Surely not the moronic drum beating of the Ospreys fans or some Anglo-American pap with no relevance to our beloved region?
If you want a more positive declaration then can I suggest another Dafydd Iwan/Ar Log gem -"Cerddwn Ymlaen" which is almost as good as "Yma o hyd" but maybe less well known -perhaps because its not the Scarlets anthem.

Well clearl;y you took to your keyboard after only reading one line......I said numerous times we should go back to our original strong motto Ymlaen.

If you dont get the very basics right, there is no hope. The things that are in our control we get hoplessly wrong.

We are pissing in the wind. and have been since 2003.

Stick regionalism up Moffets arse.Back where it belongs. Its a farce. 


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Posted By: s.pimpernel
Date Posted: 23 May 2019 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:


How do you work that one out? A club in a small town in west Wales competing against giants in massive English and French cities. You seem to be out of touch with the reality of where Welsh rugby is at financially.


And yet, there is complete meltdown and outrage whenever a merger with Ospreys is mentioned, when a merger would be the logical choice to enable us, as supporters, to enjoy more semi finals and finals and actual have the possibility of winning them.

Likewise, our "outrage" at not being in The champions Cup next season, because if you follow your logic through, the second tier of European competition is exactly where we should be.

 




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Posted By: sme
Date Posted: 24 May 2019 at 10:38am
of course there is complete outrage at merging.would you merge Manchester City and United no.we would loose identity.can't
 Say I or anyone I know are outraged at not bein in European cup we did not have a good season by anyone standards and hpe for better next year.
We already have a worldwide identity .I have travelled worldwide and it never ceases to amaze me how many people know Llanelli because of our rugby team.There is certainly an untapped source for selling shirts etc.like many of football teams do maybe we are too insular I don' know am not experienced in marketing .


Posted By: Rubrum
Date Posted: 30 May 2019 at 1:15pm
What does the analysis suggest?


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