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Topic: Corona virus
Posted By: SAV
Subject: Corona virus
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 7:58am
Games being cancelled in Italy , six nations supporters told not to travel . Challenge cup might be in trouble,  Toulon is not far from northern Italy . Our game is only 5 weeks  away . 

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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 8:14am
too allarmism around coronavirus, is a simple flu, and like other virus could kill people with low immunitaries system...
We had an aggressive flu this winter, maybe coronavirus and all now be well...
the best vax is switch off internet and television....


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 8:30am
Not quite simple Mr Ian as there is not currently a vaccine. The same demographic (elderly, previous respiratory problems) are most at risk (Note: I'm not a medic so check this more thoroughly). I agree not a need to panic but it seems sensible avoiding areas with high rates of infection at present. Even until we know more.


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 11:08am
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Darkness" rel="nofollow - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Darkness
A book that has references to this virus written in 81 lol. Stinks of man made virus.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 3:17pm
Italy Ireland is officially called off:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 3:39pm
[QUOTE=dr_martinov]Italy Ireland is officially called off:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149
[/QUrOTE]

Will that mean that Munster will want to give their Irish players a game against our seconds to keep them match fit?..A bit unfair if they do 😱 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

[QUOTE=dr_martinov]Italy Ireland is officially called off:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149
[/QUrOTE]

Will that mean that Munster will want to give their Irish players a game against our seconds to keep them match fit?..A bit unfair if they do 😱 

Interesting point. 


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Italy Ireland is officially called off:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149
Munster can now play a full strength team against our reserves!😱


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Italy Ireland is officially called off:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51641149
 
The game is called off but all the flights between Italy and Ireland are still going on?
 
If you had paid for a flight and a hotel wouldn't you still travel?
 
Not sure of why cancelling the game is going to stop the virus travelling with these people if they have it?


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 5:54pm
Game is off but italian fans can trave to Dublin...we are living stringe years.
Two games off in the last 6 months is a world record for Italy and I thank never  seen  in the last 40 years of rugby 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Game is off but italian fans can trave to Dublin...we are living stringe years.
Two games off in the last 6 months is a world record for Italy and I thank never  seen  in the last 40 years of rugby 
Agreed, it all seems very strange to me.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 26 February 2020 at 10:57pm
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Game is off but italian fans can trave to Dublin...we are living stringe years.
Two games off in the last 6 months is a world record for Italy and I thank never  seen  in the last 40 years of rugby 
 
That’s a very good point  which I just had not thought of . Yes of course the Italian fans will travel or most will , for a weekend in Dublin. Yes the concentration of fans will be spread out but it will still mean the virus will be carried.  What a dilemma 🤔


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 27 February 2020 at 2:22pm
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Game is off but italian fans can trave to Dublin...we are living stringe years.
Two games off in the last 6 months is a world record for Italy and I thank never  seen  in the last 40 years of rugby 

In 1972, the Scotland and Wales games due to be played in Dublin were cancelled because of death threats, purportedly from the IRA, against the players of the visiting teams:

http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/159995.html" rel="nofollow - http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/159995.html


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Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 27 February 2020 at 4:44pm
The 2001 Six Nations was affected by the Foot & Mouth outbreak, so Ireland had to play their last 3 fixtures in the autumn - the 6Ns didn't finish until 20th Oct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Six_Nations_Championship" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Six_Nations_Championship  


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 27 February 2020 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by NobbySosban NobbySosban wrote:

The 2001 Six Nations was affected by the Foot & Mouth outbreak, so Ireland had to play their last 3 fixtures in the autumn - the 6Ns didn't finish until 20th Oct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Six_Nations_Championship" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Six_Nations_Championship  
Thankfully we have played Italy . We ( the Scarlets) don’t want the 6 Nations carry on to next season!! 

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 7:09am
could be a bit iffy for the Toulon game if the increases in cases carries on,we are due to fly to Thailand on the 2nd april so we are not sure what the position will be then,


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 9:35am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could be a bit iffy for the Toulon game if the increases in cases carries on,we are due to fly to Thailand on the 2nd april so we are not sure what the position will be then,
 Must be a bit of a worry for you The impact on the world economy will be bad if this continues. It seems likely that it will get a lot worse before it gets better as well 🙁 No sport to watch for 6-9 months will be hard to take on a selfish level as well! Get those Box Sets out !

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"I'd rather have been a judge than a miner.Being a miner,as soon as you are too old and tired and sick and stupid to do the job properly,you have to go.The very opposite applies with judges!"P.Cook


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 10:00am
First confirmed case in Wales.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 10:02am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could be a bit iffy for the Toulon game if the increases in cases carries on,we are due to fly to Thailand on the 2nd april so we are not sure what the position will be then,
 
corona virus is the least of your worries out there LOLLOL


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 10:12am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could be a bit iffy for the Toulon game if the increases in cases carries on,we are due to fly to Thailand on the 2nd april so we are not sure what the position will be then,

Try as I might Nige I can't get the image out of my head of you with a mask in some poll dancing bar in PhuketCool Bit like the good old days in Tirydail. Wink


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 10:18am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could be a bit iffy for the Toulon game if the increases in cases carries on,we are due to fly to Thailand on the 2nd april so we are not sure what the position will be then,

Try as I might Nige I can't get the image out of my head of you with a mask in some poll dancing bar in PhuketCool Bit like the good old days in Tirydail. Wink
it's not that kind of holiday,or "a good holiday" as the nurse put it when I asked what jabs I needed Big smile I will be with my son,his wife and my daughter visiting their older brother who is teaching out there,and yes you really should have shut the curtains when you bought that pole,and this poll dancing bar where you vote for your favourite dancer?LOLLOLLOL


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 12:08pm
what I don't understand is rugby games/football games being cancelled...but flights to and from affected parts of Italy are still carrying on as normal for the UK and Ireland. Odd. Very odd.


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

what I don't understand is rugby games/football games being cancelled...but flights to and from affected parts of Italy are still carrying on as normal for the UK and Ireland. Odd. Very odd.
Think that’s more to do with liability. People who go on holiday are doing so by their own will/accord. If a rugby player has to travel to play and catches it then by the chance dies from it I’m guessing the family could sue or potentially as they could have cancelled it? Just a guess into the world we live in now btw.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

what I don't understand is rugby games/football games being cancelled...but flights to and from affected parts of Italy are still carrying on as normal for the UK and Ireland. Odd. Very odd.
Think that’s more to do with liability. People who go on holiday are doing so by their own will/accord. If a rugby player has to travel to play and catches it then by the chance dies from it I’m guessing the family could sue or potentially as they could have cancelled it? Just a guess into the world we live in now btw.
they are also urging fans not to travel...so why put the flights on...that's my take on it.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 28 February 2020 at 4:50pm
It seems the Welsh patient has been transferred to an isolation unit in England as Wales do not currently have any suitable facilities to deal with infected people. We have known this was coming since January and it seems we are not prepared.  This is my understanding and I sincerely hope I am wrong, perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject can enlighten me.

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 5:03am
nick Dixon the gmtv reporter arrived at heathrow yesterday from milan expecting temperature checks at the airport but there was nothing,surely a simple check like that would prevent further spreading?


Posted By: swm
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 9:46am
Hurricanes played sunwolves this morning in new Zealand strange the sunwolves travel with all other games over here cancelled to say the sunwolves are based in Tokyo 

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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

nick Dixon the gmtv reporter arrived at heathrow yesterday from milan expecting temperature checks at the airport but there was nothing,surely a simple check like that would prevent further spreading?

That sort of thing won't be decided until Boris returns from his long weekend to organise things on Monday!


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Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 4:09pm
Boris says it's all under control. Now we've got no reason to believe he would lie, have we? It's not as if he's got a record for telling whoppers has he?


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

what I don't understand is rugby games/football games being cancelled...but flights to and from affected parts of Italy are still carrying on as normal for the UK and Ireland. Odd. Very odd.

People in one space like sports events. Can’t be controlled in public but can be in stadiums. 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Boris says it's all under control. Now we've got no reason to believe he would lie, have we? It's not as if he's got a record for telling whoppers has he?
I just looked up w*n**r in the dictionary and it said see him.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 5:10pm
France banning all large sports events. 


Posted By: SAV
Date Posted: 29 February 2020 at 6:16pm
Indoor 

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 01 March 2020 at 8:15am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Boris says it's all under control. Now we've got no reason to believe he would lie, have we? It's not as if he's got a record for telling whoppers has he?
I just looked up w*n**r in the dictionary and it said see him.

That would be winner Nige I guess. Thumbs Up


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 01 March 2020 at 8:20am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Boris says it's all under control. Now we've got no reason to believe he would lie, have we? It's not as if he's got a record for telling whoppers has he?
I just looked up w*n**r in the dictionary and it said see him.

That would be winner Nige I guess. Thumbs Up
he's probably the most fertile P M we've had.LOL


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 01 March 2020 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by SAV SAV wrote:

Indoor 

In confined spaces which seems to include sports stadia. Three French race meetings are to be held behind closed doors next week.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 03 March 2020 at 7:56am
BA and RyanAir have now cancelled 216 flights.

This should have been the first thing that should have been done.




Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 03 March 2020 at 2:23pm
The French have so far adopted a so-called 'flexible approach', looking at things a bit on a case-by-case way.

Many people travelling from all over the world to a single destination - cancelled (e.g. Paris half-marathon).
As far as I know, this has NOT led to the closures of well-attended museums and galleries in Paris, but the Louvre staff walked out themselves because of safety concerns.

All indoor public meetings in France with more than 5000 people expected are banned.

In areas with significant numbers of cases e.g. Oise, all public gatherings banned, including markets! (defied by one mayor, however). Around 120 schools in the Oise have been shut until further notice, affecting 35,000 pupils.
http://www.france24.com/en/20200303-france-shuts-dozens-of-schools-in-areas-hit-by-coronavirus" rel="nofollow - https://www.france24.com/en/20200303-france-shuts-dozens-of-schools-in-areas-hit-by-coronavirus

To date - outdoor events such as football and rugby matches going ahead, as far as I know. 

The 'flexible approach' idea has been criticised in France, but it's tricky to apply a 'one size fits all' solution ATM, since some areas have clusters of cases, whereas others have very few or none. 

There are more cases in France than the UK, but the complacency of Johnson (who could not be bothered to convene a meeting before the weekend) is pretty startling by comparison. Even on Monday, AFTER the so-called crisis meeting, the PM's spokesman answered nearly every question with: "You'll have to wait until tomorrow for the plan"!



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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 8:27am
I imagine that may well be Treviso's season done as it's one of the regions that is on total lockdown.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 8:37am
From tomorrow Lombardia, Veneto and Emilia Romagna will be lock down.
I suppose also RWC U20 is at risk in Italy and many other games...
The problem of this situation isnt the virus and its illness, but try to manage and control hospitals situations, for the italian sanitary system is a really problematic time and they are working in magnific way..
Europe in this case are not doing well, specially Germany and France, they knew of internal focolars but didnt say anything...


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 8:53am
First in first out may well apply in this case. Italy should be clear or nearly so by June. 


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 7:53pm
What if Judgement Day has to be played behind closed doors - should we play it at Parc y Scarlets instead.  No point opening up the Milenium Stadium with all the associated costs; to end up playing in an empty stadium.

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Posted By: Bryn@man
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 8:58pm
France is to ban any gatherings of over 1,000...

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/france-bans-gatherings-of-over-1-000-amid-coronavirus-scare-health-minister-olivier-veran-2192023" rel="nofollow - https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/france-bans-gatherings-of-over-1-000-amid-coronavirus-scare-health-minister-olivier-veran-2192023


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by Bryn@man Bryn@man wrote:

France is to ban any gatherings of over 1,000...

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/france-bans-gatherings-of-over-1-000-amid-coronavirus-scare-health-minister-olivier-veran-2192023" rel="nofollow - https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/france-bans-gatherings-of-over-1-000-amid-coronavirus-scare-health-minister-olivier-veran-2192023

Toulon trip affected then? 


Posted By: Scarlet Tom
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Bryn@man Bryn@man wrote:

France is to ban any gatherings of over 1,000...

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/france-bans-gatherings-of-over-1-000-amid-coronavirus-scare-health-minister-olivier-veran-2192023" rel="nofollow - https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/france-bans-gatherings-of-over-1-000-amid-coronavirus-scare-health-minister-olivier-veran-2192023

Toulon trip affected then? 

According to Politico.eu French Health Minister Oliver Véran has said (not a direct quote I believe) that "authorities will draft a list of events that will be exempt from the ban, including mass transit and various competitions"

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-bans-gatherings-of-1000-people-to-contain-coronavirus/

So not clear yet. But considering France has already postponed a number of  high profile sporting events it is looks like it could well be affected. 



Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 March 2020 at 7:56am
I have booked everything for a Trip to Toulon, but will almost certainly cancel. Fortunately, the hotels were booked on a 'free cancellation' basis (the game was the excuse for a week-long trip), but train tickets are non-refundable, unfortunately.

I'll keep an eye on how the disease progresses in France, in the meantime.


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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 09 March 2020 at 4:53pm
Wales vs Scotland is the only 6 nations game going ahead next weekend by the looks of things, with the other 2 games being scheduled for Weekend of 31st October.
Let’s hope we get to play on of the Irish sides that weekend, it would be payback for the all the times that we’ve played them outside of the international window minus our international players and have got stuffed.
However, it’s a league run from Dublin so they will probably make it a free weekend so the Irish teams wouldn’t be disadvantaged.



Posted By: joni_bach
Date Posted: 09 March 2020 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Wales vs Scotland is the only 6 nations game going ahead next weekend by the looks of things, with the other 2 games being scheduled for Weekend of 31st October.
Let’s hope we get to play on of the Irish sides that weekend, it would be payback for the all the times that we’ve played them outside of the international window minus our international players and have got stuffed.
However, it’s a league run from Dublin so they will probably make it a free weekend so the Irish teams wouldn’t be disadvantaged.


It wouldn't surprise me. The season usually starts with 6 weekends of Pro14 from the first weekend in September, followed by 2 European weekends. That conveniently leaves a spare week at the end of October before the Autumn Internationals start. But where would Ireland v Italy fit in?


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 09 March 2020 at 8:26pm
Ireland have 2 outstanding 6N matches to play. 


Posted By: Scarlet Tom
Date Posted: 09 March 2020 at 9:45pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673

Now the whole of Italy is going to be put in lockdown. This could be a real game changer for the way the rest of Europe acts. 


Posted By: joni_bach
Date Posted: 09 March 2020 at 10:00pm
I suppose there's potentially a gap on the 28th November for Ireland v Italy, as only England (v Aus) and Wales (v SA) from the home nations are due to play on that day. 

But Italy would have to play England, SA, Uruguay, Australia and Ireland on 5 consecutive weekends.


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 7:47am
Have you noticed how Boris is relying on (hiding behind) experts now.  With Brexit, we were told not to trust experts.  He could manage the narative with Brexit but the Virus isn't listening to him.

It's pretty obvious that this is going to hit hard over the next few weeks and we're being quietly walked into a situation the likes we've never seen in the UK.  


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 7:57am
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Have you noticed how Boris is relying on (hiding behind) experts now.  With Brexit, we were told not to trust experts.  He could manage the narative with Brexit but the Virus isn't listening to him.

It's pretty obvious that this is going to hit hard over the next few weeks and we're being quietly walked into a situation the likes we've never seen in the UK.  

Well... good. At least he's not doing what Trump is. If Boris defers to experts we in the UK should be pleased. One aspect both him and Trump have is that most scientists and academics hate them for their policies so won't be kind in their criticisms. For what it's worth I have no criticisms at all for the way the Government are handling this - the public have a strong desire for daily, even hourly, uptakes and action but this is not reasonable. Reassurance that we are preparing is what's needed and that the correct advice is being given. In terms of facilities for if/when it hits the UK hard is perhaps another matter.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 8:02am
I find it almost impossible to trust the numbers, but Xi reckons China has only 19 new cases today and that the virus is under control there. Italy will be a far more reliable judge of how effective containment is.


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 8:11am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Have you noticed how Boris is relying on (hiding behind) experts now.  With Brexit, we were told not to trust experts.  He could manage the narative with Brexit but the Virus isn't listening to him.

It's pretty obvious that this is going to hit hard over the next few weeks and we're being quietly walked into a situation the likes we've never seen in the UK.  

Well... good. At least he's not doing what Trump is. If Boris defers to experts we in the UK should be pleased. One aspect both him and Trump have is that most scientists and academics hate them for their policies so won't be kind in their criticisms. For what it's worth I have no criticisms at all for the way the Government are handling this - the public have a strong desire for daily, even hourly, uptakes and action but this is not reasonable. Reassurance that we are preparing is what's needed and that the correct advice is being given. In terms of facilities for if/when it hits the UK hard is perhaps another matter.

I understand and sympathise with the dilemma the government is in but the Cheltenham festival and the Wales Scotland game should be postponed if they want to slow down the spread of the virus. Both will superspread the virus, particularly Cheltenham which is four days and evenings of close encounters between people from a wide geographic area. 


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 8:16am
Considering the stage the UK's in, they may be late cancellations. See how things are by Thursday/Friday.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 8:43am
Extend the red zone in all Italy was the only solution for contain the contagious...
the real problem is not the virus, but the collapse of the system and in this view stupid italians are not helping the society, people who move from north to south, real trouble in the jails...
I think the Wales match will be postponed...


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 8:44am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Have you noticed how Boris is relying on (hiding behind) experts now.  With Brexit, we were told not to trust experts.  He could manage the narative with Brexit but the Virus isn't listening to him.

It's pretty obvious that this is going to hit hard over the next few weeks and we're being quietly walked into a situation the likes we've never seen in the UK.  

Well... good. At least he's not doing what Trump is. If Boris defers to experts we in the UK should be pleased. One aspect both him and Trump have is that most scientists and academics hate them for their policies so won't be kind in their criticisms. For what it's worth I have no criticisms at all for the way the Government are handling this - the public have a strong desire for daily, even hourly, uptakes and action but this is not reasonable. Reassurance that we are preparing is what's needed and that the correct advice is being given. In terms of facilities for if/when it hits the UK hard is perhaps another matter.

Spot on Dr M. I cannot see any comparison at all between Brexit & the virus - my old sparring partner Rob is at it againBig smile. Boris has to be led by medical & scientific experts & so far they are giving what seems sound advice. Apparently the danger is to intensify response advice too soon which leads to people ignoring it when they most need to follow. 


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Extend the red zone in all Italy was the only solution for contain the contagious...
the real problem is not the virus, but the collapse of the system and in this view stupid italians are not helping the society, people who move from north to south, real trouble in the jails...
I think the Wales match will be postponed...

How are things in Italy today Mr Ian? Big question I know but your experiences?


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 9:35am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Have you noticed how Boris is relying on (hiding behind) experts now.  With Brexit, we were told not to trust experts.  He could manage the narative with Brexit but the Virus isn't listening to him.

It's pretty obvious that this is going to hit hard over the next few weeks and we're being quietly walked into a situation the likes we've never seen in the UK.  

Well... good. At least he's not doing what Trump is. If Boris defers to experts we in the UK should be pleased. One aspect both him and Trump have is that most scientists and academics hate them for their policies so won't be kind in their criticisms. For what it's worth I have no criticisms at all for the way the Government are handling this - the public have a strong desire for daily, even hourly, uptakes and action but this is not reasonable. Reassurance that we are preparing is what's needed and that the correct advice is being given. In terms of facilities for if/when it hits the UK hard is perhaps another matter.

Spot on Dr M. I cannot see any comparison at all between Brexit & the virus - my old sparring partner Rob is at it againBig smile. Boris has to be led by medical & scientific experts & so far they are giving what seems sound advice. Apparently the danger is to intensify response advice too soon which leads to people ignoring it when they most need to follow. 
That was my point GPR - Scientific advice is good.  So far, this crisis has been good for the scientific community as their worth is actualy being recognised. 

The Government is walking a tightrope between saving lives versus saving the economy from a major hit.  


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 9:38am
The main reason it's worrying is because it's new and not understood. But the social media aspect of this is fascinating taking a step back. It's a post-truth new virus and we're now seeing just how strong the influence of rubbish people post online is (I accept this post may also be an example of this).
For example, I read this story where the French Government have had to tell the public that cocaine does not protect against coronavirus:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-cocaine-france-government-warning-conspiracy-theories-disinformation-smurfs-a9389146.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-cocaine-france-government-warning-conspiracy-theories-disinformation-smurfs-a9389146.html

I think this is at the heart of Rob's post: that the blatant lying, when everyone knows it's lying, from top politicians now will not work. So yes, it is getting muddled in politics but there is a very real criticism within it this may make apparent. If Boris is smart enough to accept he cannot bluff his way through this then I think that is the correct decision and I do hope he takes the advice of actual experts and not conservative science-puppets approved by Cummings.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 9:49am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Extend the red zone in all Italy was the only solution for contain the contagious...
the real problem is not the virus, but the collapse of the system and in this view stupid italians are not helping the society, people who move from north to south, real trouble in the jails...
I think the Wales match will be postponed...

How are things in Italy today Mr Ian? Big question I know but your experiences?

In this moment is difficoult to say everything. I m living in Sicily, Modica and in all my territory there is only 1 sospect infected. I m at work but I cant go out to do my job, school are closed and there many limitations. When I m off, come back to home and stay inside a part for go to the supermarket.
We are living a surreal situation, anxiety of course but this is the moment to be responsable people..
Of course the regions more afflicted are the northern ones but whens sunday Politic decided to close Lombardia (Milan) many people started to  leave immediately and many of them are southern people who study or work in that area, so now we expect an increase of cases...they are really irresponsable. My bro who live in Milan is at home from 3 weeks..
A part the health situation, not too cleare, my worries are about economic and financial situation, yesterday Milan lost 11 points, many many miliards of euro and the speculation is starting...
Also this scenes of people who run away, in my view are showing a weakness of italian people agains a problem, I  dont wanto to think what can happen in war situation like Siria or other..



Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 9:52am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I find it almost impossible to trust the numbers, but Xi reckons China has only 19 new cases today and that the virus is under control there. Italy will be a far more reliable judge of how effective containment is.



I'd jut add that the China number really do stack up. We have independent advisors in place there. The efforts made were amazing.

Italy, unfortunately, is now the main cluster. Justifiably, as it can't replicate the Chinese containment plan, it's going for a nationwide shutdown.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 10:08am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I find it almost impossible to trust the numbers, but Xi reckons China has only 19 new cases today and that the virus is under control there. Italy will be a far more reliable judge of how effective containment is.



I'd jut add that the China number really do stack up. We have independent advisors in place there. The efforts made were amazing.

Italy, unfortunately, is now the main cluster. Justifiably, as it can't replicate the Chinese containment plan, it's going for a nationwide shutdown.
 
As harsh as this sounds China with it 's scant regard for human rights  and a brutal police force has a far better chance of enforcing strict guidelines to stop the outbreak spreading  that liberal western societies like ours.
 
If this hits the uk in a big way we are far too used to doing what we like when we like to tolerate the measures that are needed to contain the virus
 
Worrying times ahead
 
 


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I find it almost impossible to trust the numbers, but Xi reckons China has only 19 new cases today and that the virus is under control there. Italy will be a far more reliable judge of how effective containment is.



I'd jut add that the China number really do stack up. We have independent advisors in place there. The efforts made were amazing.

Italy, unfortunately, is now the main cluster. Justifiably, as it can't replicate the Chinese containment plan, it's going for a nationwide shutdown.

Really? That is nothing short of incredible. You are talking a nation of more than a billion people have restricted cases to 19 in one day. And yes, if the Chinese Government wants to do something nation-wide, it happens. They built hospitals in weeks. Not going to happen here. Italy is definitely the test nation for the rest of us for sure. France as well, as they have less cases but more than us so represent our near future. They have taken action on preventing social gatherings etc. I think we're just in that "watch and wait" phase, which is understandably making people a bit anxious. But we carry on for now until told otherwise. Mass shutdown probably would help in the UK but as Rob says, we're balancing keeping the country and economy running versus controlling the spread of the virus and it's hard to justify at this point.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 10:29am
With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 10:35am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

Not to mention potentially seeing a positive impact on the environment. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 10:36am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “


Agree totally, Im an accountant for a firm which incorporates 6 companies & I can work on the accounts from my phone if I wanted to...


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by Scarlet Tom Scarlet Tom wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673

Now the whole of Italy is going to be put in lockdown. This could be a real game changer for the way the rest of Europe acts. 
weird isnt it...italy fixtures cancelled...yet treviso travelled to Newport last week.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet Tom Scarlet Tom wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673

Now the whole of Italy is going to be put in lockdown. This could be a real game changer for the way the rest of Europe acts. 
weird isnt it...italy fixtures cancelled...yet treviso travelled to Newport last week.

Well in reality how many Benetton fan travelled. Italy fixtures cancelled because we are talking about venues holding 50K +. Situation has now developed rapidly of course with travel from Italy in lockdown.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet Tom Scarlet Tom wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673

Now the whole of Italy is going to be put in lockdown. This could be a real game changer for the way the rest of Europe acts. 
weird isnt it...italy fixtures cancelled...yet treviso travelled to Newport last week.

Well in reality how many Benetton fan travelled. Italy fixtures cancelled because we are talking about venues holding 50K +. Situation has now developed rapidly of course with travel from Italy in lockdown.


You are still talking about a flight from one of the most affected areas in Italy coming over to the UK which is just asking for trouble IMO.
Womens rugby been cancelled, nowhere near the crowd of the Dragons game, so dont think the venue has much to do with it, IMO.
It was only Friday they were in Newport, as they land back home they are on full lock down...whos to say some of the players arent already affected?
i personally see a lot of contradictions being made across the board. they want to contain, but allow flights. they want to delay, yet dont screen everyone at airports coming from affected countries...


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:27pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet Tom Scarlet Tom wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673

Now the whole of Italy is going to be put in lockdown. This could be a real game changer for the way the rest of Europe acts. 
weird isnt it...italy fixtures cancelled...yet treviso travelled to Newport last week.

Well in reality how many Benetton fan travelled. Italy fixtures cancelled because we are talking about venues holding 50K +. Situation has now developed rapidly of course with travel from Italy in lockdown.


You are still talking about a flight from one of the most affected areas in Italy coming over to the UK which is just asking for trouble IMO.
Womens rugby been cancelled, nowhere near the crowd of the Dragons game, so dont think the venue has much to do with it, IMO.
It was only Friday they were in Newport, as they land back home they are on full lock down...whos to say some of the players arent already affected?
i personally see a lot of contradictions being made across the board. they want to contain, but allow flights. they want to delay, yet dont screen everyone at airports coming from affected countries...

Yes it does appear a bit hit or miss I would agree. An interesting stat I head last week is that Italy were the first European country to ban flights to and from China yet they are the worst affected. We have to put our trust in the professionals and hope that politicians follow their advice.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet Tom Scarlet Tom wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673

Now the whole of Italy is going to be put in lockdown. This could be a real game changer for the way the rest of Europe acts. 
weird isnt it...italy fixtures cancelled...yet treviso travelled to Newport last week.

Well in reality how many Benetton fan travelled. Italy fixtures cancelled because we are talking about venues holding 50K +. Situation has now developed rapidly of course with travel from Italy in lockdown.


You are still talking about a flight from one of the most affected areas in Italy coming over to the UK which is just asking for trouble IMO.
Womens rugby been cancelled, nowhere near the crowd of the Dragons game, so dont think the venue has much to do with it, IMO.
It was only Friday they were in Newport, as they land back home they are on full lock down...whos to say some of the players arent already affected?
i personally see a lot of contradictions being made across the board. they want to contain, but allow flights. they want to delay, yet dont screen everyone at airports coming from affected countries...

Yes it does appear a bit hit or miss I would agree. An interesting stat I head last week is that Italy were the first European country to ban flights to and from China yet they are the worst affected. We have to put our trust in the professionals and hope that politicians follow their advice.

wasnt aware of that. But yes all we can do is sit tight and trust those in charge.




Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

What kind of jobs can all the staff work from home?


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 8:07am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

What kind of jobs can all the staff work from home?

Office jobs? Project management? HR? Finance? Software design? Anything where your input is a PC (or can be scanned into a PC) and output is email, phones, Skype etc. Education can be done remotely as well. A whole company working from home may come with new challenges though: how bosses motivate and coordinate, productivity (can be higher or lower actually), and even mental health as many people really need that personal contact with others, even if low amounts. It can certainly be done though, some of our work setup now is just habit really.


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 8:49am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

What kind of jobs can all the staff work from home?

Did he really ask that question????? 


Posted By: gnasher1975
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 9:14am
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

What kind of jobs can all the staff work from home?

Did he really ask that question????? 

If I remember sa14 used to work in industry, so it would be a fair question... I work in a call centre....yes a lot of people could work from home but I could not do mine from home and I imaginre quite a few other industries would at least have to have someone in an office..Trying to belittle someone who asks a genuine question just seems a bit off and part of the reason people are spending a lot less time on here.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 9:27am
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

What kind of jobs can all the staff work from home?

Did he really ask that question????? 

Yes because I was curious. Thanks for the reply Doc. Not sure what to think of all this. Is it a virus made to sound worse because of social media? Or is it as serious as it’s made to sound. One thing is sure. If it mutates into a virus that gives you diarrhoea then there’s gonna be a lot of smug people about. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 9:56am
Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

With careful planning many more people could work from home and study from home. Ironically any work done on this home work issue ad Corona Virus mitigation may start some employers and staff thinking of the benefits of flexible/ home working to avoid the typical 8 am-6pm commuting rat race and reduce congestion! Won’t affect me now but so much wasted time is spent “ going to work “

What kind of jobs can all the staff work from home?

Did he really ask that question????? 

If I remember sa14 used to work in industry, so it would be a fair question... I work in a call centre....yes a lot of people could work from home but I could not do mine from home and I imaginre quite a few other industries would at least have to have someone in an office..Trying to belittle someone who asks a genuine question just seems a bit off and part of the reason people are spending a lot less time on here.
SA’s response did seem a bit unexpected but I do take the point that eg working in a factory line or maintenance is not going to suit home base working for all but certainly some employees in that factory might be able to do so. All I was generally suggesting was that when things like this virus start forcing us to think about working patterns it drives home how much the “ I’m going out to work “ premise can be really rejigged and if it works . to continue with that theme. Obviously there are all sorts of variables but society could do a lot more to develop home working . If it gets any congestion off the roads even better. 

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 10:07am
Guy on the radio last night reckons we are exactly where Italy were 2 weeks ago
 
Not sure if what they did has hindered or helped the outbreak
 
I can't work from my home for my job I have to physically be at the place I'm working in  I'm lucky I have a few insurance policies in place so I can take the hit if I have to stay off for a few weeks
 
But some people I work alongside  don't and if they don't  go work  they  don't get paid these are fit young  guys with young families to provide for but also with elderly relatives some with health issues.
This could be a nightmare for them
 
Being an Island we are afforded  some p[protection and we should have been ahead of the game , personally I would have slapped a travel ban on people coming  from china weeks ago (unless they did the quarantine bit)  and I'd have done it on Italy last week to


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 10:51am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Guy on the radio last night reckons we are exactly where Italy were 2 weeks ago
 
Not sure if what they did has hindered or helped the outbreak
 
I can't work from my home for my job I have to physically be at the place I'm working in  I'm lucky I have a few insurance policies in place so I can take the hit if I have to stay off for a few weeks
 
But some people I work alongside  don't and if they don't  go work  they  don't get paid these are fit young  guys with young families to provide for but also with elderly relatives some with health issues.
This could be a nightmare for them
 
Being an Island we are afforded  some p[protection and we should have been ahead of the game , personally I would have slapped a travel ban on people coming  from china weeks ago (unless they did the quarantine bit)  and I'd have done it on Italy last week to

SA14's question was totally valid. Some jobs can be done from home but a huge number cannot as RR points out. These are very serious times and we are all in the hands of the experts & medical staff who definitely cannot work from homeWink.

As for travel bans my initial thoughts were the same as RR's. Why did they not stop all flights in/out of China sooner? An answer was given by an expert when asked and he/she pointed out that Italy were the first European country to do so & have by far the worst outbreak. Apparently when individual countries instigate travel bans people intending to travel just circumvent the rules by travelling via other open countries. 


Posted By: Turkpower
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 11:41am
An "expert" on the radio believes the virus will peak in 2 weeks time. Fingers crossed.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 2:45pm
Keep an eye on this

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/" rel="nofollow - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

updates all the time 121000 worldwide cases thus far
80k plus in china
10k plus in Italy
9k plus in iran
etc


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 4:41pm
could not believe that a snp politician said that in Westminster there isn't one hand saniser anywhere with 10,000 visitors daily.incredible.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could not believe that a snp politician said that in Westminster there isn't one hand saniser anywhere with 10,000 visitors daily.incredible.

Hand sanitizer is now as rare as rocking horse poop .  I have tried to get some for over two weeks and all I get when I enquire is "sorry, sold out "
I've got a bottle of vodka and am hoping it will work. ( On my hands not in my stomach).


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Posted By: Coch
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 5:16pm
Personally I"d drink the vodka with a dash of Cranberry after washing my hands with soap and water-far more effective.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 5:21pm
😄

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could not believe that a snp politician said that in Westminster there isn't one hand saniser anywhere with 10,000 visitors daily.incredible.

Hand sanitizer is now as rare as rocking horse poop .  I have tried to get some for over two weeks and all I get when I enquire is "sorry, sold out "
I've got a bottle of vodka and am hoping it will work. ( On my hands not in my stomach).
I went to the dentist yesterday and they had 2 big tubs on the counter to use when you arrive and leave,you think somewhere with the footfall of Westminster would have some.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could not believe that a snp politician said that in Westminster there isn't one hand saniser anywhere with 10,000 visitors daily.incredible.

Hand sanitizer is now as rare as rocking horse poop .  I have tried to get some for over two weeks and all I get when I enquire is "sorry, sold out "
I've got a bottle of vodka and am hoping it will work. ( On my hands not in my stomach).
I went to the dentist yesterday and they had 2 big tubs on the counter to use when you arrive and leave,you think somewhere with the footfall of Westminster would have some.
Safest place in Wales now is on top of the roof - with the birds  😉

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Posted By: Scarlet Tom
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 5:36pm
An interesting thread and discussion. I was present at a meeting today relating to higher education in London and questions about Coronavirus and it's related impacts, including but not limited to: working from home; timetables for future teaching terms; exams; pay for non-permanent staff if higher education establishments are forced to close, and so on and so on were all raised. Unsurprisingly no one had any definitive answers. Most people were in agreement though that working from home for those in teaching would be very very challenging and for some impossible. Not everyone has, for example, a good and fast internet connection, something which would be essential to deliver any form of lessons online. A few people by choice don't even have the internet at all at home, short of mobile internet on their phones. Just one example of how difficult it will be if there is a major (and inevitable??) lockdown here similar to that in Italy. 


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 5:39pm
Don't worry about sanitiser. It is mainly anti bacterial and as this is a virus it actually is hugely useful. 

The advice is proper soap and hot water. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 7:18pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

could not believe that a snp politician said that in Westminster there isn't one hand saniser anywhere with 10,000 visitors daily.incredible.

Let's hope none of them shook hands with Nadine Dorries, then.


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 March 2020 at 8:06pm
Such a tough call for people fully paid up and just wanting to go to Toulon and support their team.

Impartially, and I mean by that not living in the European region, but also living within a region in Africa where you have Ebola, Cholera, Bubonic plaque about you, you obviously become extremely well versed in practicing an appropriate risk and reaction.

I can see the UK, and most countries in truth, grappling with finding the appropriate balance of under/over reaction.




Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 12 March 2020 at 8:53am
That’s an interesting point. To a lot of people this is something that’s joked about (I did it with a toilet roll comment) but I’m starting to take things more seriously now. 


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 12 March 2020 at 9:11am
I couldn't care less about the whole matter. Part of me hopes everyone gets it, and part of me hopes its over so sport can continue.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 12 March 2020 at 11:42am
The only solution is lock down everything, first do it and will be' better...


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 12 March 2020 at 11:49am
Hope your ok there Mr Ian. Take care

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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 12 March 2020 at 11:50am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s an interesting point. To a lot of people this is something that’s joked about (I did it with a toilet roll comment) but I’m starting to take things more seriously now. 

Yes, with Italian colleagues it got a lot more serious recently. We are making jokes because we are nervous I think.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 12 March 2020 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

Hope your ok there Mr Ian. Take care
Yes I Am, tnx so much...but palese dont under rate it..


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 12 March 2020 at 12:24pm
this graph really helps visualise how lethal the virus is.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/" rel="nofollow - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Essentially if you are old and weak it has a mortality rate that is worrying. Also bear in mind that a very high percentage of people who die have pre existing medical conditions. So provided you don't have one and are under 70 the odds are very very low. 

don't worry folks.



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