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Topic: Scarlets Internationals availibility.
Posted By: 157cb
Subject: Scarlets Internationals availibility.
Date Posted: 23 July 2020 at 11:24am


With Internationals planned between the last week of October and first weekend in December, that means players will be away for 7-8 weeks .

    So with the Six Nations and players away for another 2 months plus, as supporters and a season ticket holder, another total mess of a season . Our Internationals will be exhausted come the European Champions Cup start .



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Posted By: ChrisX
Date Posted: 23 July 2020 at 11:36am
Not ideal, we all want to see the Internationals but it was just last week we were saying how much strength in depth this squad has? 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 23 July 2020 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:



With Internationals planned between the last week of October and first weekend in December, that means players will be away for 7-8 weeks .

    So with the Six Nations and players away for another 2 months plus, as supporters and a season ticket holder, another total mess of a season . Our Internationals will be exhausted come the European Champions Cup start .
Ive lost track of when the league season 20/21 starts......

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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 23 July 2020 at 2:19pm
Doesn't the same apply to the other Welsh regions and the Irish and Scots and the Italians.  All will be affected, just got to get on with it and bring on the youngsters.

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 10:05am
Considering the situation, depriving the regions of all their stars immediately does nothing to give us a new start. Understand the need to generate income but it does scream loudly how much we need a better season structure.

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Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 12:01pm
If the season starts next jan then won’t affect our internationals unless we get some injuries of course.


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

If the season starts next jan then won’t affect our internationals unless we get some injuries of course.
I've a feeling it will start in December.


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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 12:12pm

 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 


Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 12:33pm
I think the French Top14 in particular have scuppered any big change in season structure. Summers in France are very different to UK/Ire - everyone goes away for a month. They would lose sponsors. I can understand their viewpoint.

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 12:41pm
This is when the nwq lads earn their corn but will the pi sides be playing test rugby if so we could lose a few of them to. Covid gave the game a great chance to sort the schedule out sadly it looks as if that’s been ignored


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

I think the French Top14 in particular have scuppered any big change in season structure. Summers in France are very different to UK/Ire - everyone goes away for a month. They would lose sponsors. I can understand their viewpoint.
I don't buy that for a second. Easy excuse for them maybe that's maybe being easily swallowed. Catalan Dragons have done OK on that front and now a new team in Toulouse hoping for super league status.
Catalan averaging just under 9000 per year. 




Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

This is when the nwq lads earn their corn but will the pi sides be playing test rugby if so we could lose a few of them to. Covid gave the game a great chance to sort the schedule out sadly it looks as if that’s been ignored
The PI guys will likely stay with their clubs 

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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

I think the French Top14 in particular have scuppered any big change in season structure. Summers in France are very different to UK/Ire - everyone goes away for a month. They would lose sponsors. I can understand their viewpoint.
The Top 14 season starts in August so that’s nonsense 

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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 

How can you train and play rugby whilst keeping 2 metres apart?
Drakeford is very cautious, I can't see him allowing a start until next year, if then.
We may have the virus under control but it's still around and lurking in the background and with the winter likely to worsen the situation it looks very delicately poised.


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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 
They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th


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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 

How can you train and play rugby whilst keeping 2 metres apart?
Drakeford is very cautious, I can't see him allowing a start until next year, if then.
We may have the virus under control but it's still around and lurking in the background and with the winter likely to worsen the situation it looks very delicately poised.
How do you think the English football league is fully back already and has been for weeks?

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Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 
They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th
cheers. I was hoping for summer rugby. One day maybe. 


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 
They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th
cheers. I was hoping for summer rugby. One day maybe. 
Somewhat torn on the idea. Sure it would be great to be sitting in PYS with decent weather but would mean missing out on watching most weekends of club cricket as Scarlets would come first. The sport would probably lose even further participation with some players choosing cricket over rugby too.


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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

I think the French Top14 in particular have scuppered any big change in season structure. Summers in France are very different to UK/Ire - everyone goes away for a month. They would lose sponsors. I can understand their viewpoint.
The Top 14 season starts in August so that’s nonsense 

The French holiday in July much more than August. I used to live there. So the comment has some validity.

But I took it from this:

"If we start in January, we would play throughout the summer with problems including ticket sales, television, sponsors and player safety. We would be competing against big global sporting events.

https://sports.yahoo.com/french-clubs-want-evolution-not-revolution-global-calendar-011958796--sow.html" rel="nofollow - https://sports.yahoo.com/french-clubs-want-evolution-not-revolution-global-calendar-011958796--sow.html

Maybe I am reading too much into the article, but not enough for it to be dismissed as nonsense.


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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 

How can you train and play rugby whilst keeping 2 metres apart?
Drakeford is very cautious, I can't see him allowing a start until next year, if then.
We may have the virus under control but it's still around and lurking in the background and with the winter likely to worsen the situation it looks very delicately poised.
How do you think the English football league is fully back already and has been for weeks?
Well the last time I watched soccer there were no mauls, scrums, smother tackles etc.  I'm sure the players and staff are tested a couple of times every week at substantial expense to the club's.  Not sure we could afford that.
It's the English football leagues that are playing soccer. The Scots are not. We would need the permission of the First Minister to play rugby.


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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 5:13pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 

How can you train and play rugby whilst keeping 2 metres apart?
Drakeford is very cautious, I can't see him allowing a start until next year, if then.
We may have the virus under control but it's still around and lurking in the background and with the winter likely to worsen the situation it looks very delicately poised.
It’s already been announced. It’ll be back sooner rather than later 

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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 5:36pm
Hope you are right.  I'll be delighted when it can start.

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 6:07pm
Players being tested every week.


Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 24 July 2020 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

I think the French Top14 in particular have scuppered any big change in season structure. Summers in France are very different to UK/Ire - everyone goes away for a month. They would lose sponsors. I can understand their viewpoint.
I don't buy that for a second. Easy excuse for them maybe that's maybe being easily swallowed. Catalan Dragons have done OK on that front and now a new team in Toulouse hoping for super league status.
Catalan averaging just under 9000 per year. 




Though a big amount of that average is fans of the away side traveling from England for a long weekend or week in the South of France and to watch their team


Posted By: Exkixu
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 9:04am
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

I think the French Top14 in particular have scuppered any big change in season structure. Summers in France are very different to UK/Ire - everyone goes away for a month. They would lose sponsors. I can understand their viewpoint.
The Top 14 season starts in August so that’s nonsense 

The French holiday in July much more than August. I used to live there. So the comment has some validity.

But I took it from this:

"If we start in January, we would play throughout the summer with problems including ticket sales, television, sponsors and player safety. We would be competing against big global sporting events.

https://sports.yahoo.com/french-clubs-want-evolution-not-revolution-global-calendar-011958796--sow.html" rel="nofollow - https://sports.yahoo.com/french-clubs-want-evolution-not-revolution-global-calendar-011958796--sow.html

Maybe I am reading too much into the article, but not enough for it to be dismissed as nonsense.

It is not.
Also, Top14 starts (if at all) on August 24th. Football is usually the same, last week of August or so at the earliest and only because the schedule is packed a.f.


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Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 9:24am
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 
They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th
cheers. I was hoping for summer rugby. One day maybe. 
Somewhat torn on the idea. Sure it would be great to be sitting in PYS with decent weather but would mean missing out on watching most weekends of club cricket as Scarlets would come first. The sport would probably lose even further participation with some players choosing cricket over rugby too.
the amateur game doesn't need to change. They can run as normal to tie in with school rugby etc which means  numbers remain unaffected. I don't even think you'd miss that much cricket. They are always Saturdays aren't they? How many Saturday games have we had in the last10years? You'd get the occasional clash no doubt but that manyimo.
If union wants to grow as a sport a global calendar is a must a season change is needed as well. How many neutrals are put off by a soaking at Parc yScarlets. Sunshine and attacking rugby... The game becomes a better spectacle to draw in the neutrals or lost fans and the summer evenings could mean more money spent in behind the bars etc. Financially imo a no brainer. But it's what I've wanted for years. No doubt there's arguments for keeping it as is. But there's ways around themimo. .


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 10:06am
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 
They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th
cheers. I was hoping for summer rugby. One day maybe. 
Somewhat torn on the idea. Sure it would be great to be sitting in PYS with decent weather but would mean missing out on watching most weekends of club cricket as Scarlets would come first. The sport would probably lose even further participation with some players choosing cricket over rugby too.
the amateur game doesn't need to change. They can run as normal to tie in with school rugby etc which means  numbers remain unaffected. I don't even think you'd miss that much cricket. They are always Saturdays aren't they? How many Saturday games have we had in the last10years? You'd get the occasional clash no doubt but that manyimo.
If union wants to grow as a sport a global calendar is a must a season change is needed as well. How many neutrals are put off by a soaking at Parc yScarlets. Sunshine and attacking rugby... The game becomes a better spectacle to draw in the neutrals or lost fans and the summer evenings could mean more money spent in behind the bars etc. Financially imo a no brainer. But it's what I've wanted for years. No doubt there's arguments for keeping it as is. But there's ways around themimo. .

If the regions have any hope for a viable, long term future then a calendar needs to be agreed whereby the Internationals are seen more of in their club colours. That, to me, is far more important than the weather conditions. 


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:



 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 

They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th
cheers. I was hoping for summer rugby. One day maybe. 

Somewhat torn on the idea. Sure it would be great to be sitting in PYS with decent weather but would mean missing out on watching most weekends of club cricket as Scarlets would come first. The sport would probably lose even further participation with some players choosing cricket over rugby too.


   Nobody loves there cricket more than me, as a player, coach and a spectator .

   Rugby in the NH is an absolute shambles, while realising the game is driven by International matches and the money it brings .Club/regional rugby needs a structured season, a global one! which also as player welfare at its forefront .

   As a Scarlets season ticket holder I want to see our star players on the field at the Parc far more often, as do our young supporters .

    If we not have a global season now? we will never have one . If not I fear for the long term future of rugby union. Last season the weather was wet, cold and horrible for every game bar two .


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:



 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 

They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th
cheers. I was hoping for summer rugby. One day maybe. 

Somewhat torn on the idea. Sure it would be great to be sitting in PYS with decent weather but would mean missing out on watching most weekends of club cricket as Scarlets would come first. The sport would probably lose even further participation with some players choosing cricket over rugby too.


   Nobody loves there cricket more than me, as a player, coach and a spectator .

   Rugby in the NH is an absolute shambles, while realising the game is driven by International matches and the money it brings .Club/regional rugby needs a structured season, a global one! which also as player welfare at its forefront .

   As a Scarlets season ticket holder I want to see our star players on the field at the Parc far more often, as do our young supporters .

    If we not have a global season now? we will never have one . If not I fear for the long term future of rugby union. Last season the weather was wet, cold and horrible for every game bar two .

Absolutely spot on.The future of the game really is at stake.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

[QUOTE=157cb]

 Pro 14 to start on the 1st October. 
I'd like to think it will be later to not go on same time as internationals. 
They stated at the bottom of the fixtures update that they're working toward Round 1 of Pro14 to be weekend of October 3rd/4th
cheers. I was hoping for summer rugby. One day maybe. 
Somewhat torn on the idea. Sure it would be great to be sitting in PYS with decent weather but would mean missing out on watching most weekends of club cricket as Scarlets would come first. The sport would probably lose even further participation with some players choosing cricket over rugby too.
the amateur game doesn't need to change. They can run as normal to tie in with school rugby etc which means  numbers remain unaffected. I don't even think you'd miss that much cricket. They are always Saturdays aren't they? How many Saturday games have we had in the last10years? You'd get the occasional clash no doubt but that manyimo.
If union wants to grow as a sport a global calendar is a must a season change is needed as well. How many neutrals are put off by a soaking at Parc yScarlets. Sunshine and attacking rugby... The game becomes a better spectacle to draw in the neutrals or lost fans and the summer evenings could mean more money spent in behind the bars etc. Financially imo a no brainer. But it's what I've wanted for years. No doubt there's arguments for keeping it as is. But there's ways around themimo. .

If the regions have any hope for a viable, long term future then a calendar needs to be agreed whereby the Internationals are seen more of in their club colours. That, to me, is far more important than the weather conditions. 
[/QUOTEAgree but to me it'shand in hand. If a change is made, the international window will be completely different to thedleage campaign. November through to Feb could allbeinternational that ties in with AI and 6N. Leagues around the world to kick off the sametime aroundfrom January through September. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 4:46pm
IF we get a more sensibly aligned calendar where less club matches happen in international windows, or maybe we get to the stage where club happens only when international doesn’t, a couple of questions come to mind:

1. When do the international players get a break, for their welfare, other than when recovering from injury (rehab not really a break)?

2. Where/when do the talented youngsters get their development opportunities and time in the first team?


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 25 July 2020 at 10:43pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

This is when the nwq lads earn their corn but will the pi sides be playing test rugby if so we could lose a few of them to. Covid gave the game a great chance to sort the schedule out sadly it looks as if that’s been ignored
The PI guys will likely stay with their clubs 
bad form that . Harsh on the pi nations we supposed to be growing the game



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