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Topic: Two games , no tries ..
Posted By: 157cb
Subject: Two games , no tries ..
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 5:14pm

 Two competitive games no tries, a huge worry .

  The absence of Cassiem and Tex in selection ,is mind boggling...Aside of Elias ,bench made little impact.



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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 5:17pm
i'm hoping there's no issue between cassiem and delaney as he was our best player last year,when are we going to learn to close games out?if munster were only 1 point ahead they would have shut us out no problem.


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 5:19pm
Credit where credit is due Halfpenny was exceptional. His back must hurt from carrying this team. 


Posted By: Sandman
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 5:23pm
Didn’t see the game, so this opinion is based on previous performances. Steff Hughes isn’t up to the top level of the games. He’s a great grafter and always a solid performer, but nothing else. He offers very little in attack and rarely has a try assist. Jonny Williams is clearly our first choice 12, then we have to go to Asquith as a second choice 12. Just my opinion. 

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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 5:25pm
Attack area at the moment I think is the area of the team where there is a "work in progress". Last year Mooar surely tried on offensive aspect and Delaney on defence.
From this season Whiffin is the head specialist and give him the time to work...
My two cents on now Scarlets attack, I dont understand very well our structure attack, a 3 - 3 - 2, but first pod work ever for speed up the game and then play for backs. They play often with same number players in defence and have to invent something for make the break..
I would like to see more mixed line crossed of forward on the field and a second playmaker to help the flyhalf..maybe the 12, J Williams


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 5:32pm
Every time we tried the pick and drive inside the 22, we went backwards


Posted By: FIRST AND LAST
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 6:49pm
That happened all night in Toulon, Failed to get over the whitwash,


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 9:46pm
Think everyone should read what Dic has been saying for the past few months. We don't select pace at 10/12 and our gameplan since Delaney has taken control is very conservative. That works when sides like Munster commit harry carry and given you 30 points but when you still lose what the f...

Our attacking play is dire - our forwards are totally pathetic in driving lineouts. Exeter would have scored two tries at least today with our positions. Our coaching ticket have lost the plot and we are badly led. Recipe for disaster. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 11:51pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Think everyone should read what Dic has been saying for the past few months. We don't select pace at 10/12 and our gameplan since Delaney has taken control is very conservative. That works when sides like Munster commit harry carry and given you 30 points but when you still lose what the f...

Our attacking play is dire - our forwards are totally pathetic in driving lineouts. Exeter would have scored two tries at least today with our positions. Our coaching ticket have lost the plot and we are badly led. Recipe for disaster. 
 

Harry Carry? 😂 He doesn’t sound very Japanese . Hara Kiri you mean I think 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 8:40am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Think everyone should read what Dic has been saying for the past few months. We don't select pace at 10/12 and our gameplan since Delaney has taken control is very conservative. That works when sides like Munster commit harry carry and given you 30 points but when you still lose what the f...

Our attacking play is dire - our forwards are totally pathetic in driving lineouts. Exeter would have scored two tries at least today with our positions. Our coaching ticket have lost the plot and we are badly led. Recipe for disaster. 
 

Harry Carry? 😂 He doesn’t sound very Japanese . Hara Kiri you mean I think 

Thanks for the correction - I was spitting feathers at the time. Ermm


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:21am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Think everyone should read what Dic has been saying for the past few months. We don't select pace at 10/12 and our gameplan since Delaney has taken control is very conservative. That works when sides like Munster commit harry carry and given you 30 points but when you still lose what the f...

Our attacking play is dire - our forwards are totally pathetic in driving lineouts. Exeter would have scored two tries at least today with our positions. Our coaching ticket have lost the plot and we are badly led. Recipe for disaster. 
 

Harry Carry? 😂 He doesn’t sound very Japanese . Hara Kiri you mean I think 
No, he meant Harry Carry, the young scrum half from Cork. He's worth 30 points every game. Smile

Not scoring a try is a concern, but we were in full control of that game until the last quarter and being 10 points ahead, we seemed to be on the way to victory in what had been a tight contest. No need to panic in my opinion. 


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:43am
We are obsessed with kicking the ball away. Cawdor kicking has been good but we need to play more ball in hAnd. Also need to sort out a driving maul in our line out especially when oppositon down to 14 men


Posted By: ScarletMagpie67
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 3:47pm
Our back play was always going to be at best average considering this was Foxy first game back


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by ScarletMagpie67 ScarletMagpie67 wrote:

Our back play was always going to be at best average considering this was Foxy first game back
he played last week


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Think everyone should read what Dic has been saying for the past few months. We don't select pace at 10/12 and our gameplan since Delaney has taken control is very conservative. That works when sides like Munster commit harry carry and given you 30 points but when you still lose what the f...

Our attacking play is dire - our forwards are totally pathetic in driving lineouts. Exeter would have scored two tries at least today with our positions. Our coaching ticket have lost the plot and we are badly led. Recipe for disaster. 
 

Harry Carry? 😂 He doesn’t sound very Japanese . Hara Kiri you mean I think 
No, he meant Harry Carry, the young scrum half from Cork. He's worth 30 points every game. Smile

Not scoring a try is a concern, but we were in full control of that game until the last quarter and being 10 points ahead, we seemed to be on the way to victory in what had been a tight contest. No need to panic in my opinion. 
 😂 He would come from Cork 😂 I really thought we were building up nicely for a try as we pulled ahead to finish off the game but then with the sending off and subs coming on we just deteriorated and lost control. I think to actually then go on to lose as we did when Cubby fell on their player did cause a lot of frustration and red mist from us all. When Ken goes off there doesn’t seem a back up leader in the pack since Barclay left. 

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Posted By: sospanman
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 4:24pm
Mark's first post in this thread really hits the nail on the head. If we had been able to score just one try in each of the last 2 competitive games we would likely have won them both. The most worrying thing is that we don't even look like like we can score them and have a "kick the penalty" mentality. We need to do some serious work on looking how we can unlock defenses using the player resource we have.

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Posted By: TheKing
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 12:26am
Originally posted by Sandman Sandman wrote:

Didn’t see the game, so this opinion is based on previous performances. Steff Hughes isn’t up to the top level of the games. He’s a great grafter and always a solid performer, but nothing else. He offers very little in attack and rarely has a try assist. Jonny Williams is clearly our first choice 12, then we have to go to Asquith as a second choice 12. Just my opinion. 

Absolutely this.

They’ve attempted to make him a leader. Attempted to make him a 10. The guy isn’t a pro standard player, give it up.

Baldwin left as a result of being further down the pecking order than Hughes, and I’d bet that Asquith is (rightly) miffed too.


Posted By: TheKing
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 12:31am
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Credit where credit is due Halfpenny was exceptional. His back must hurt from carrying this team. 

Strange post given the topic at hand.

He may be a great kicker (on his day), but he doesn’t hit the line, cut the line and can’t counter. This contributes in no small measure to our lack of potency.


Posted By: TheKing
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 12:33am
Looks to me that our guys need to be told absolutely no kicking out of hand in the opposition half for the next couple of games. A real low percentage tactic which we seem to have become obsessed with.


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 4:56am
                             LONG LIVE THE KING!






Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 6:19am
Originally posted by TheKing TheKing wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Credit where credit is due Halfpenny was exceptional. His back must hurt from carrying this team. 


Strange post given the topic at hand.

He may be a great kicker (on his day), but he doesn’t hit the line, cut the line and can’t counter. This contributes in no small measure to our lack of potency.


It must have been someone else that joined every structured attack we did, put Steff Evs away for the kick in field and ran for over 100 mts in the game.

You and Dic are totally fine to stick to your narrative with Halfpenny. I prefer watching performances.

He had a very good game.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 7:37am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by TheKing TheKing wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Credit where credit is due Halfpenny was exceptional. His back must hurt from carrying this team. 


Strange post given the topic at hand.

He may be a great kicker (on his day), but he doesn’t hit the line, cut the line and can’t counter. This contributes in no small measure to our lack of potency.


It must have been someone else that joined every structured attack we did, put Steff Evs away for the kick in field and ran for over 100 mts in the game.

You and Dic are totally fine to stick to your narrative with Halfpenny. I prefer watching performances.

He had a very good game.

I am with you on that one Wil. Defensively Leigh is still the best 15 in the World, he is one of the best, if not the best goalkicker. To criticise his attacking play to justify non selection seems pretty bizarre to me. OK he isn't Jordan Larmour but his instinct is to run the ball back and he is clever at releasing others. 100m gained was probably 70m more than any other Scarlet in that game. It would be interesting to hear who his critics would select especially with Liam & Tomi Lewis both injured.

The Scarlets deficiencies in attack are many and varied but Leigh isn't one of them. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 8:05am
As G.P.R says our deficiencies in attack are many and varied.It strikes me that three of these are highlighted by the King's three posts
1.A 5/8 who kicks too much-even to the extent of cross-kicking horizontally to the wing-seen on saturday,not for the 1st time
2.A second5/8 who lacks the attributes normally associated with the rôle-most glaringly,a complete lack of pace:on Saturday he was easily picked off by the opposition tight-head,when ambling cross-,field.
3.We are playing without an attacking full-back.Arguably Halfpenny's attributes as a kicker (we were treated to a master-class on saturday)will always merit his inclusion,but Saturday's game showed that we must score tries.I recall the debate in the 80's,concerning the merits of Thorburn and Tony Clement for the Welsh full-back berth-all things being equal,it's a healthy debate to have.Currently,however,we are not scoring tries.We kicked a record nine penalties,but I doubt that our backs would have scored 9 tries against any side,at any level.


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:00am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by TheKing TheKing wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Credit where credit is due Halfpenny was exceptional. His back must hurt from carrying this team. 


Strange post given the topic at hand.

He may be a great kicker (on his day), but he doesn’t hit the line, cut the line and can’t counter. This contributes in no small measure to our lack of potency.


It must have been someone else that joined every structured attack we did, put Steff Evs away for the kick in field and ran for over 100 mts in the game.

You and Dic are totally fine to stick to your narrative with Halfpenny. I prefer watching performances.

He had a very good game.

I am with you on that one Wil. Defensively Leigh is still the best 15 in the World, he is one of the best, if not the best goalkicker. To criticise his attacking play to justify non selection seems pretty bizarre to me. OK he isn't Jordan Larmour but his instinct is to run the ball back and he is clever at releasing others. 100m gained was probably 70m more than any other Scarlet in that game. It would be interesting to hear who his critics would select especially with Liam & Tomi Lewis both injured.

The Scarlets deficiencies in attack are many and varied but Leigh isn't one of them. 
What I like most about Halfpenny is when he's isolated in his own 22 with 2 or 3 opponents bearing down upon him - you know, you just know its going to be ok. 

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:20am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

As G.P.R says our deficiencies in attack are many and varied.It strikes me that three of these are highlighted by the King's three posts
1.A 5/8 who kicks too much-even to the extent of cross-kicking horizontally to the wing-seen on saturday,not for the 1st time
2.A second5/8 who lacks the attributes normally associated with the rôle-most glaringly,a complete lack of pace:on Saturday he was easily picked off by the opposition tight-head,when ambling cross-,field.
3.We are playing without an attacking full-back.Arguably Halfpenny's attributes as a kicker (we were treated to a master-class on saturday)will always merit his inclusion,but Saturday's game showed that we must score tries.I recall the debate in the 80's,concerning the merits of Thorburn and Tony Clement for the Welsh full-back berth-all things being equal,it's a healthy debate to have.Currently,however,we are not scoring tries.We kicked a record nine penalties,but I doubt that our backs would have scored 9 tries against any side,at any level.





1. Where does his highness say that, I might have missed it?
I thought he said our coaches applied a tactical approach to where they wanted to kick/not kick from, and that the players obviously followed it. Questionable tactic for the coaches to answer.

2. Steff was a late replacement for Jonny W. Tyler was carrying a small injury and only had 30 mins of rugby. It wasn't an unreasonable selection given that, but the comments suggest he was picked ahead of these guys. Not really.

3. Stuck on transmit re your views on Halfpenny. I'm judging his week on week performance. Good of late. We will have a jolly joust on this all season.

Love using the term 5/8 … proper rugby.


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:42am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

As G.P.R says our deficiencies in attack are many and varied.It strikes me that three of these are highlighted by the King's three posts
1.A 5/8 who kicks too much-even to the extent of cross-kicking horizontally to the wing-seen on saturday,not for the 1st time
2.A second5/8 who lacks the attributes normally associated with the rôle-most glaringly,a complete lack of pace:on Saturday he was easily picked off by the opposition tight-head,when ambling cross-,field.
3.We are playing without an attacking full-back.Arguably Halfpenny's attributes as a kicker (we were treated to a master-class on saturday)will always merit his inclusion,but Saturday's game showed that we must score tries.I recall the debate in the 80's,concerning the merits of Thorburn and Tony Clement for the Welsh full-back berth-all things being equal,it's a healthy debate to have.Currently,however,we are not scoring tries.We kicked a record nine penalties,but I doubt that our backs would have scored 9 tries against any side,at any level.





1. Where does his highness say that, I might have missed it?
I thought he said our coaches applied a tactical approach to where they wanted to kick/not kick from, and that the players obviously followed it. Questionable tactic for the coaches to answer.

2. Steff was a late replacement for Jonny W. Tyler was carrying a small injury and only had 30 mins of rugby. It wasn't an unreasonable selection given that, but the comments suggest he was picked ahead of these guys. Not really.

3. Stuck on transmit re your views on Halfpenny. I'm judging his week on week performance. Good of late. We will have a jolly joust on this all season.

Love using the term 5/8 … proper rugby.

1.Fair play,a little extrapolation on my part.When did Dan last make a break,though?Game plan or not,if you can't run:you've got to kick....chicken and egg.
2.I agree with His Highness re.this player.Simply don't believe he should be in the frame at all.
3.Joust we shall!


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 10:36am
Bringing together points from all threads here...

Wet and windy, kickable penalties, arguably the best goalkicker in the world = take the points. NZ do this ALL the time. But yes they score tries...

Yes, we aren't scoring enough tries and, once in the 22, not looking like it either. Red line fever, lack of head's up rugby, reading the space. We put a lot of pressure on, and ball retention has improved but I am still baffled by the approach of taking the ball of the scrum half standing still and THEN accelerating? What happened to taking the ball at pace?

Overall, we did well against a team that's always tough to beat, and the whole team should take some credit for that.

Steff Hughes - never going to be the most scintillating of centres but I think he's assured, makes very few mistakes and actually has a range of skills. He's the classic good club player. I have no problem with playing him when the need arises. Which brings me onto my main issue...

Dan Jones. Before I go any further, I'm going to say I don't think he's a bad player. In fact, I think he's pretty good at what he does. He's surprisingly brave for his size, a great tactical kicker, and a decent passer. BUT... I don't think it's surprisingly that our best attacking rugby came with Patchell at outside half. IMHO we CANNOT play attacking, running rugby with Dan Jones at OH. He doesn't have the speed, agility, running creativity or passing vision for this. And then when you put him alongside the mercurial but myopic Gareth Davies (love his abilities, but head's up vision is not one of his finest) you have nothing that can get a backline going. 

We have three other OHs in the squad now who are ALL creative and runners. A sign of the future progression of the team? Surely we should be starting one of these, with Dan Jones as the tactical switch option on the bench rather than the other way around?




Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 10:47am
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Bringing together points from all threads here...

Wet and windy, kickable penalties, arguably the best goalkicker in the world = take the points. NZ do this ALL the time. But yes they score tries...

Yes, we aren't scoring enough tries and, once in the 22, not looking like it either. Red line fever, lack of head's up rugby, reading the space. We put a lot of pressure on, and ball retention has improved but I am still baffled by the approach of taking the ball of the scrum half standing still and THEN accelerating? What happened to taking the ball at pace?

Overall, we did well against a team that's always tough to beat, and the whole team should take some credit for that.

Steff Hughes - never going to be the most scintillating of centres but I think he's assured, makes very few mistakes and actually has a range of skills. He's the classic good club player. I have no problem with playing him when the need arises. Which brings me onto my main issue...

Dan Jones. Before I go any further, I'm going to say I don't think he's a bad player. In fact, I think he's pretty good at what he does. He's surprisingly brave for his size, a great tactical kicker, and a decent passer. BUT... I don't think it's surprisingly that our best attacking rugby came with Patchell at outside half. IMHO we CANNOT play attacking, running rugby with Dan Jones at OH. He doesn't have the speed, agility, running creativity or passing vision for this. And then when you put him alongside the mercurial but myopic Gareth Davies (love his abilities, but head's up vision is not one of his finest) you have nothing that can get a backline going. 

We have three other OHs in the squad now who are ALL creative and runners. A sign of the future progression of the team? Surely we should be starting one of these, with Dan Jones as the tactical switch option on the bench rather than the other way around?



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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 10:48am
I'd like to see Dan Davi(e)s being given a run out during the international period.


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:00am
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Bringing together points from all threads here...

Wet and windy, kickable penalties, arguably the best goalkicker in the world = take the points. NZ do this ALL the time. But yes they score tries...

Yes, we aren't scoring enough tries and, once in the 22, not looking like it either. Red line fever, lack of head's up rugby, reading the space. We put a lot of pressure on, and ball retention has improved but I am still baffled by the approach of taking the ball of the scrum half standing still and THEN accelerating? What happened to taking the ball at pace?

Overall, we did well against a team that's always tough to beat, and the whole team should take some credit for that.

Steff Hughes - never going to be the most scintillating of centres but I think he's assured, makes very few mistakes and actually has a range of skills. He's the classic good club player. I have no problem with playing him when the need arises. Which brings me onto my main issue...

Dan Jones. Before I go any further, I'm going to say I don't think he's a bad player. In fact, I think he's pretty good at what he does. He's surprisingly brave for his size, a great tactical kicker, and a decent passer. BUT... I don't think it's surprisingly that our best attacking rugby came with Patchell at outside half. IMHO we CANNOT play attacking, running rugby with Dan Jones at OH. He doesn't have the speed, agility, running creativity or passing vision for this. And then when you put him alongside the mercurial but myopic Gareth Davies (love his abilities, but head's up vision is not one of his finest) you have nothing that can get a backline going. 

We have three other OHs in the squad now who are ALL creative and runners. A sign of the future progression of the team? Surely we should be starting one of these, with Dan Jones as the tactical switch option on the bench rather than the other way around?



Very sensible and balanced post. Have a thanks


Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:23am
I think Dan is a decent outside half for us and the 2 games vs Bath and Toulon in Jan 2018 showed exactly what he is capable of , the conditions on saturday certainly didnt help matters and Munster didnt even look that attacking, its just they broke through tackles and had piggy back penalties into dangerous positions where they then scored tries from or had 1 crappy kick given back to them with a lazy defence allowing them to score their first try.

Munster were giving penalties away for fun at times and in areas where there were points on offer, so we were always going to take these points in the weather rather than be more attack minded and go for points


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:26am
Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

I think Dan is a decent outside half for us and the 2 games vs Bath and Toulon in Jan 2018 showed exactly what he is capable of , the conditions on saturday certainly didnt help matters and Munster didnt even look that attacking, its just they broke through tackles and had piggy back penalties into dangerous positions where they then scored tries from or had 1 crappy kick given back to them with a lazy defence allowing them to score their first try.

Munster were giving penalties away for fun at times and in areas where there were points on offer, so we were always going to take these points in the weather rather than be more attack minded and go for points

Dan is a really good outside, but needs a 12 as second playmaker. Dan kicked well satuday


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:33am
I don’t think its fair to pin all of the attacking woes on Dinky, the outside backs have offered very little and the speed at which the ball leaves the ruck is the main cause for concern. Our best attacking idea seems to be a little grubber in behind the defence and thats a 50:50 play at the best of times. 

I think we missed the Hadleigh Parkes type player where even with slow ball he is soaking up 2-3 defenders and making it to the gain line. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:36am
Good call Dan at 10 is a conservative choice so is stef at 12 , both good players but not the most attacking options we have it maybe a case where we pick one or the other but not both together
 
Also we have gone from stevo as backs coach to dai flaningan, no disrespect but there is a drop in quality there to
 
Kelly has a big reputation as a forwards  coach, but we failed to defend a line out maul that effectively cost us the game but more importantly  we failed to have the courage of our convictions to eschew a kick at goal at   least attempt  one kick to the corner and for  the try.
 
 
Don't get me wrong we weren't awful by any stretch of the imagination but when they were down to 14 men we managed to score just 6 points but gave away over 20 in that period
 
Surely we should be doing better with our numerical advantage either by going for a line out drive against a side missing a defender or getting it wider and using our 1 man over lap
 
puzzling why we didn't do so and in all honesty didn't even attempt to do so
 
  


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:38am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Good call Dan at 10 is a conservative choice so is stef at 12 , both good players but not the most attacking options we have
 
Also we have gone from stevo as backs coach to dai flaningan, no disrespect but there is a drop in quality there to
 
Kelly has a big reputation as a forwards  coach, but we failed to defend a line out maul that effectively cost us the game but more importantly  we failed to have the courage of our convictions to eschew a kick at goal at   least attempt  one kick to the corner and for  the try.
 
 
Don't get me wrong we weren't awful by any stretch of the imagination but when they were down to 14 men we managed to score just 6 points but gave away over 20 in that period
 
Surely we should be doing better with our numerical advantage either by going for a line out drive against a side missing a defender or getting it wider and using our 1 man over lap
 
puzzling why we didn't do so and in all honesty didn't even attempt to do so
 
  

Sometimes there is no defending a well set maul I am afraid.

One thing I'd like to highlight was Dinky's kicks to touch were superb especially when kicking from a penalty. I wish we had gone to touch following the red card rather than take the (albeit very well taken) 3 points.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:42am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Good call Dan at 10 is a conservative choice so is stef at 12 , both good players but not the most attacking options we have
 
Also we have gone from stevo as backs coach to dai flaningan, no disrespect but there is a drop in quality there to
 
Kelly has a big reputation as a forwards  coach, but we failed to defend a line out maul that effectively cost us the game but more importantly  we failed to have the courage of our convictions to eschew a kick at goal at   least attempt  one kick to the corner and for  the try.
 
 
Don't get me wrong we weren't awful by any stretch of the imagination but when they were down to 14 men we managed to score just 6 points but gave away over 20 in that period
 
Surely we should be doing better with our numerical advantage either by going for a line out drive against a side missing a defender or getting it wider and using our 1 man over lap
 
puzzling why we didn't do so and in all honesty didn't even attempt to do so
 
  

Sometimes there is no defending a well set maul I am afraid.

One thing I'd like to highlight was Dinky's kicks to touch were superb especially when kicking from a penalty. I wish we had gone to touch following the red card rather than take the (albeit very well taken) 3 points.
 
Very true which meant or refusal to try one was even odder, especially when POM was off the field
 
 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:43am
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

I don’t think its fair to pin all of the attacking woes on Dinky, the outside backs have offered very little and the speed at which the ball leaves the ruck is the main cause for concern. Our best attacking idea seems to be a little grubber in behind the defence and thats a 50:50 play at the best of times. 

I think we missed the Hadleigh Parkes type player where even with slow ball he is soaking up 2-3 defenders and making it to the gain line. 

Indeed what you say is correct. Look I don't think anyone on here doesn't value Dinky & what he can bring especially in poor weather conditions when tactical kicking is at a premium. However we compound the problem of picking him at 10 with his limited ability to threaten the line by selecting someone at 12 who is equally unthreatening. Saturday's conditions were calling out for a physical 12 to get us over the gainline. With Johnny unavailable why not Tyler who as I have said before is 15 kgs bigger than Steff and much quicker. 

With very limited threats at 10/12 opposition defences can easily blitz our outside backs with nothing keeping them honest inside. 


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:02pm
It’s the combo of dinky, steff and a totally out of form foxy that tbh won’t offer much creativity of line breaking potential. Get Asquith in there at 12 and give Morgan a go at 13 now.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

It’s the combo of dinky, steff and a totally out of form foxy that tbh won’t offer much creativity of line breaking potential. Get Asquith in there at 12 and give Morgan a go at 13 now.
It’s a bit early to call Foxy “totally out of form” isn’t it? He’s played one match and, one charge-down aside, didn’t have a bad game. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

I think Dan is a decent outside half for us and the 2 games vs Bath and Toulon in Jan 2018 showed exactly what he is capable of , the conditions on saturday certainly didnt help matters and Munster didnt even look that attacking, its just they broke through tackles and had piggy back penalties into dangerous positions where they then scored tries from or had 1 crappy kick given back to them with a lazy defence allowing them to score their first try.

Munster were giving penalties away for fun at times and in areas where there were points on offer, so we were always going to take these points in the weather rather than be more attack minded and go for points
 
in fairness they scored 3 trys we scored none so they were a bit more of an attacking threat than us LOLLOL


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

It’s the combo of dinky, steff and a totally out of form foxy that tbh won’t offer much creativity of line breaking potential. Get Asquith in there at 12 and give Morgan a go at 13 now.
It’s a bit early to call Foxy “totally out of form” isn’t it? He’s played one match and, one charge-down aside, didn’t have a bad game. 
He is out of form as he hasn’t played? Wasn’t giving 100% as he’s being eased back into it. It’s not a dig at him it’s just obvious after being out for so long. 


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 6:05pm
2 games, no tries... But before that, 2 games 11 tries...
I know we are disappointed but let's not get carried away like Barcelona fans booing Messi if he didn't score a goal. 

We have played Toulon without Patch, Foxy, Liam...Then Munster, without Patch (OK he came on towards the end), Johnny Wiliams, Liam and Mcnicholl.
We have decent depth but we have come up against 2 very good sides. Should have won one of the fixtures, could have won both. 
Fact is we can get by against some teams without those players. We can push and challenge teams even without those players. But all those that are missing is pretty much an entire back line of sheer quality. 

Dan Jones is a decent 10. Steff Hughes is a decent squad player in midfield. When both play in the same side, it isn't going to allow the backs play with pace against the top sides. 

We don't need to make a big thing that we didn't score a try against Munster or Toulon IMO. 

As for the pack with Kelly, they have come on leaps and bounds already in the very limited time he has had them. That's evident already in my opinion. It's not going to click right away. He's 4 games in to his reign as forwards coach and progress is evident imo. 




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