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Topic: Team v Glasgow
Posted By: gorau
Subject: Team v Glasgow
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 10:09pm
My team vs Glasgow next week:

15 - Leigh Halfpenny 
14- Tom Prydie 
13- Jonathan Davies
12- Johnny Williams
11- Steff Evans
10- Rhys Patchell
9- Gareth Davies
8 - Blade Thompson
7- James Davies
6- Josh Macleod 
5- Sam Lousi
4- Jake Ball
3- Samson Lee 
2- Ken Owens
1- Wyn Jones

Bench
16 - Ryan Elias 
17- Rob Evans / Phil Price
18- Werner Kruger
19- Tevita Ratuva
20 - Uzair Cassiem
21- Kieran Hardy
22- Dan Jones
23- Tyler Morgan


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 10:16pm
Why does everyone keep picking Owens at 2. What does he brings us? No leadership and no go forward like Ryan. He is finished - get over it. We have lacked proper on field leadership for years and the team is suffering. Must have a Welsh speaking captain - bollocks. Get the guy who leads - Casseim, Blade, Josh or Cubby. 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Why does everyone keep picking Owens at 2. What does he brings us? No leadership and no go forward like Ryan. He is finished - get over it. We have lacked proper on field leadership for years and the team is suffering. Must have a Welsh speaking captain - bollocks. Get the guy who leads - Casseim, Blade, Josh or Cubby. 
Jesus.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 10:58pm
15- Leigh Halfpenny
14- Liam Williams/Tom Rogers
13- Jonathan Davies
12- Johnny Williams
11- Steff Evans
10- Rhys Patchell
9- Gareth Davies
8- Kalamafoni
7- Jac Morgan
6- Rawlins
5- Sam Lousi
4- Tex
3- Samson Lee
2- Ken Owens
1- Wyn Jones

Bench
16- Ryan Elias
17- Phil Price
18- Javan Sebastian
19- Jake Ball
20- Uzair Cassiem
21- Kieran Hardy
22- Angus O'Brien
23- Tyler Morgan


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 11:19pm
Angus needs a shot at 10 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 03 October 2020 at 11:39pm
[QUOTE=GPR - Rochester]Why does everyone keep picking Owens at 2. What does he brings us? No leadership and no go forward like Ryan. He is finished - get over it. We have lacked proper on field leadership for years and the team is suffering. Must have a Welsh speaking captain - bollocks. Get the guy who leads - Casseim, Blade, Josh or Cubby. [/QUOTE 

Ken had a good  game and came off after about 60 minutes. The game was lost when the two benches came on and Munsters made a difference. You’re disrespect for one of the Scarlets greats chosen by Pivac , Mooar and Delaney as Captain, is very disappointing for a supporter forum 


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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:00am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

[QUOTE=GPR - Rochester]Why does everyone keep picking Owens at 2. What does he brings us? No leadership and no go forward like Ryan. He is finished - get over it. We have lacked proper on field leadership for years and the team is suffering. Must have a Welsh speaking captain - bollocks. Get the guy who leads - Casseim, Blade, Josh or Cubby. [/QUOTE 

Ken had a good  game and came off after about 60 minutes. The game was lost when the two benches came on and Munsters made a difference. You’re disrespect for one of the Scarlets greats chosen by Pivac , Mooar and Delaney as Captain, is very disappointing for a supporter forum 
I see no lack of respect.We all repect the club,but this need not entail a slavish devotion to every platitude,and all the clichéd nonsense that is so frquently rolled out.
Ken did not have a good game at all.
As it stands,the club is on the path to being an entity that is "fur coat,no knickers".Change is needed;if it doesn't come,we shall always be talking in the past tense.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 8:35am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

[QUOTE=GPR - Rochester]Why does everyone keep picking Owens at 2. What does he brings us? No leadership and no go forward like Ryan. He is finished - get over it. We have lacked proper on field leadership for years and the team is suffering. Must have a Welsh speaking captain - bollocks. Get the guy who leads - Casseim, Blade, Josh or Cubby. [/QUOTE 

Ken had a good  game and came off after about 60 minutes. The game was lost when the two benches came on and Munsters made a difference. You’re disrespect for one of the Scarlets greats chosen by Pivac , Mooar and Delaney as Captain, is very disappointing for a supporter forum 

I have huge respect for the service Ken has given our club but leadership is more than loyalty & longevity.  The best captain we have had in the past 5 years is John Barclay closely followed by Scott Williams. Both players who could think on their feet and demand loyalty. Ken I am afraid does not possess those skills. He is 33 and it is high time Ryan Elias is given more playing time. 


Posted By: Tim Opolis
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:08am
15. 1/2p
14. Angus
13. Foxy
12. J Williams
11. Steff
10. Patch
9.  Hardy
8.  Kalamafoni
7.  Josh
6.  Blade/Cassiem if Blade is injured
5.  Tex
4.  Lousi
3.  Samson
2.  Ken
1.  Wyn

16. Rob Evs
17. Ryan
18. Jevan
19. Jake
20. Cubby
21. Blacker
22. Dan

We need to rediscover our attacking threat, in the absence of Sanjay I feel that Angus is too talented a player to be outside of the starting 15 on what looks like being a dry evening in Glasgow next Sunday.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:37am
Originally posted by Tim Opolis Tim Opolis wrote:

15. 1/2p
14. Angus
13. Foxy
12. J Williams
11. Steff
10. Patch
9.  Hardy
8.  Kalamafoni
7.  Josh
6.  Blade/Cassiem if Blade is injured
5.  Tex
4.  Lousi
3.  Samson
2.  Ken
1.  Wyn

16. Rob Evs
17. Ryan
18. Jevan
19. Jake
20. Cubby
21. Blacker
22. Dan

We need to rediscover our attacking threat, in the absence of Sanjay I feel that Angus is too talented a player to be outside of the starting 15 on what looks like being a dry evening in Glasgow next Sunday.

I take it you mean AOB - has he ever played on the wing????


Posted By: thommo
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:50am
Disappointed with the scrum and lineout yesterday. We rarely use Jake in the lineout and lousi was by far our dominant second row yesterday. Would start with Tex and Sam. Mcleod is now our starting 7,our back row picked yesterday imo is our first choice back row.
I really like the way Uzair improved last season, but can't see him starting or even our 23. Rawlins or Kennedy on bench with Ball. 
We are missing genuine pace out wide and really miss Mc Nicholls as he is our best finisher. Foxy yesterday in fairness looked fairly rusty and a yard off in pace, his kick through which was charged down had a big impact at the end of the game. Wonder if Brew can play at centre? At least he has a bit of pace, the lack of pace in midfield was very evident yesterday. 
Don't think Delaney is one to let sentiment get in the way of selection, am confident we will make strides. 




Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:55am
Brew not got the psssing game for centre. When we going to give knott and morgan starts?


Posted By: welshbenny
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:57am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Why does everyone keep picking Owens at 2. What does he brings us? No leadership and no go forward like Ryan. He is finished - get over it. We have lacked proper on field leadership for years and the team is suffering. Must have a Welsh speaking captain - bollocks. Get the guy who leads - Casseim, Blade, Josh or Cubby

You would have a 2nd choice player as Captain?


Posted By: Tim Opolis
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 10:57am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Tim Opolis Tim Opolis wrote:

15. 1/2p
14. Angus
13. Foxy
12. J Williams
11. Steff
10. Patch
9.  Hardy
8.  Kalamafoni
7.  Josh
6.  Blade/Cassiem if Blade is injured
5.  Tex
4.  Lousi
3.  Samson
2.  Ken
1.  Wyn

16. Rob Evs
17. Ryan
18. Jevan
19. Jake
20. Cubby
21. Blacker
22. Dan

We need to rediscover our attacking threat, in the absence of Sanjay I feel that Angus is too talented a player to be outside of the starting 15 on what looks like being a dry evening in Glasgow next Sunday.

I take it you mean AOB - has he ever played on the wing????


He can play full back, full back and wing are interchangeable. He's quick, former sevens player, he has the ability to beat people, uses the ball he receives wisely, also has a good kicking game.
We need players with vision on the field who can make us more threatening in attack. In the absence of Sanjay too good not to be in the 15 next Sunday imo. would help us sharpen up our attack.


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 11:08am
A little surprised Tyler Morgan doesn’t figure much.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 11:20am
 
 Odd opinion on Cassiem, top carrier in Pro 14 and Challenge Cup, .

  With our lack of carriers the not selection of Uzair and Tex in ,23 is bonkers.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 11:50am
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

 
 Odd opinion on Cassiem, top carrier in Pro 14 and Challenge Cup, .

  With our lack of carriers the not selection of Uzair and Tex in ,23 is bonkers.


Agreed, but our coaches probably thought that a backrow of Kalamafoni, Blade and Macleod would have enough bulk and power to punch a few holes in the Munster line. This should particularly have been true in the 20 minutes when Munster were without their thuggish backrow captain.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 11:58am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

A little surprised Tyler Morgan doesn’t figure much.
I don’t think he has much pro experience in any position other than outside centre. 


Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 11:59am
Need  to get pace  into the team 


Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Brew not got the psssing game for centre. When we going to give knott and morgan starts?
Was told Knott stuggled when he came on against the Ospreys,missed a few tackles and lost the ball in contact also..maybe due to the fact it was his first game and run out since his injury was a factor..


Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:07pm
I think im right in saying the pitch in Glasgow is a plastic one,so would go with this..
15.Halfpenny
14.Brew
13.Foxy
12.Johnny W
11.Steff
10.Patch
9.Hardy
8.Cassim
7.Mcloed
6.Blade
5.Lousi
4.Jake
3.Samson
2.Ken
1.Wyn

reps..Rob,Ryan,Kruger,Tex,Rawlings,Cawdor,Dan,Angus



Posted By: ScarletMagpie67
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:07pm
My God 😂😂😂


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:08pm

 15,Halfpenny
 14,Rogers
 13,Foxy
 12,Williams
 11,Steff Evans
 10,Patch
 9,Hardy
 1,Wyn
 2, Ryan
 3,Samson
 4,Ball
 5,Louisi
 6,Blade
 8,Kalamfoni
 7,Jac Morgan

  subs, 16,Sanjay or Tyler
           17,AOB
           18,Cawdor 
           19,Rob
           20, Ken 
           21, Javan
           22, Tex
           23,Cassiem 

  I am looking for us to play the Scarlets way, sadly the Toulon and Munster games we have not seen that .


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

 
 Odd opinion on Cassiem, top carrier in Pro 14 and Challenge Cup, .
  With our lack of carriers the not selection of Uzair and Tex in ,23 is bonkers.
He was top in the number of carries made. I don’t find that stat terribly useful as it effectively just measures which players get tackled the most. The effectiveness of the carries don’t come in to it. It looks to be a straight choice between Cassiem and Kalamafoni at the moment as Blade is probably a shoe-in for his lineout work, MacLeod is first choice 7 who can cover 6 and 8 if need be, but none of Thomson, Kalamafoni or Cassiem can really cover 7, so we need a specialist 7 on the bench. 

Ratuva probably isn’t in top condition yet having only recently returned from Fiji, and possibly has some catching up to do in the technical aspects. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

A little surprised Tyler Morgan doesn’t figure much.
I don’t think he has much pro experience in any position other than outside centre. 


Yes,

I’m saying he doesn’t seem to figure much in anyone’s 23.


Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:40pm
Looking at the stats of the respective games yesterday, we had a tackle success rate of 86% while Glasgow had a success rate of 97%, we missed 16 tackles while they missed only 4.  Couple that with the fact they made almost double the amount of clean breaks than us (12 against our 7) and the fact the  Glasgow backs seemed to have a good game in attack looking at their stats, I'd be tempted to take them on up front with our pack next week.  Our pack has been going well, so possibly selecting a big pack to start the game but having players on the bench able to change tactics if needed could be the way to get an away win.

15 Halfpenny
14 Lewis
13 Foxy
12 Williams
11 Steff
10 Patchell
9 Cawdor
8 Kalamafoni
7 Macleod
6 Thomson
5 Lousi
4 Ratuva
3 Lee
2 Elias
1 Jones

16 Ken
17 Evans
18 Kruger
19 Rawlins
20 Cassiem
21 Hardy
22 AOB
23 Williams


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Just for our SA friends - Weste is die beste!


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 12:41pm
  Tyler Morgan as played wing as well, I may be wrong but was he capped there ?


Posted By: multinational
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 2:39pm
Halfers Steff Fox Jonny Tyler Patch Hardy Kalamafoni Blade Macleod Tex Lousi Samson Ken Wyn

Reps: Rob? Elias Kruger Ball Cassiem Cawdor AOB S Hughes

Big bench to offload in the last quarter. Agree we need pace and we need ball passed faster from SH.




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Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 3:44pm
15. Halfpenny
14. Rogers
13. Foxy
12. Johnny Williams
11. Steff Evans
10. Patchell
9. Gareth Davies
8. Kalamafoni
7. Macleod
6. Blade
5. Lousi
4. Ball
3. Samson
2. Ken
1. Wyn

Bench:
Rob Evans, Elias, Werner, Tex, Cassiem, Hardy, Angus, Hughes


Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 4:48pm
Halfpenny
Prydie
Foxy
Johnny
Steff
Patchell
Davies
Cassiem
Josh
Blade
Ball
Lousi
Lee
Owens
Wyn

Ryan
Rob
Javan
Ratuva
Kalamafoni
Hardy
O'Brien
Morgan



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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 4:59pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

  Tyler Morgan as played wing as well, I may be wrong but was he capped there ?

That’s correct. 


Posted By: Calon_Coch2
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 5:22pm
I agree. Ken is 34 in January; Ryan needs to be given more game time 

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Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 5:32pm
This is a fixture coming up that is the last we may see of the Internationals in tbe Pro14 season.

We need the best available team on the pitch and grind home a victory. It's going to be tough. Very tough. 

15. Leigh Halfpenny 
14. Tyler Morgan 
13. Foxy
12. Johnny Williams
11. Steff Evs
10. Rhys Patchell
9. Cawdor
8. Kalamafoni
7. Josh Macleod
6. Blade Thomson
5. Sam Lousi
4. Jake Ball
3. Samson Lee
2. Ken Owen
1. Wyn Jones

16. Ryan Elias
17. Rob Evans
18. Werner Kruger
19. Tex Ratuva
20. Uzair Cassiem
21. Kieran Hardy
22. Sam Costellow
23. Tom Rogers 


Posted By: Maple
Date Posted: 04 October 2020 at 9:46pm
Jacks seems to have not progressed the forwards at all.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 7:53am
Tyler Morgan is 10-15 kgs bigger than Steff and seriously quicker. In Johnny's absence and considering we were up against a big midfield should we have not considered selecting Tyler at 12? Glasgow will look to play a high tempo offloading game on their all weather track. If we don't get some pace into our team we are going to struggle. For sure our forwards could try to take theirs on especially with Samson returning but our inefficiency at driving lineouts takes away the biggest weapon of having a dominant 8. 


Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 8:33am
Lose one game and the forum goes into meltdown! god help us if we lose Sunday!



Im sure we will see a response from the team on Sunday , have faith, it will be tough but nobody will be hurting more than the players for letting that lead slip


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:02am
Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Lose one game and the forum goes into meltdown! god help us if we lose Sunday!



Im sure we will see a response from the team on Sunday , have faith, it will be tough but nobody will be hurting more than the players for letting that lead slip
Three losses on the bounce at the start of the season and everyone wanted Pivac's head on a plate and look how that season turned out. LOL

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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:08am
I think its the manner in which we lost. And the expectation that always surrounds season openers thats led to the reaction. We should have won.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:10am
Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Lose one game and the forum goes into meltdown! god help us if we lose Sunday!



Im sure we will see a response from the team on Sunday , have faith, it will be tough but nobody will be hurting more than the players for letting that lead slip

Glasgow fans will be saying the same things, " I'm sure we will see a response from the team on Sunday" 😭


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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:21am
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

I think its the manner in which we lost. And the expectation that always surrounds season openers thats led to the reaction. We should have won.
Yes we should have won but strangely the manner of the loss doesn't bother me because I think it's fixable.

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:25am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Tyler Morgan is 10-15 kgs bigger than Steff and seriously quicker. In Johnny's absence and considering we were up against a big midfield should we have not considered selecting Tyler at 12? Glasgow will look to play a high tempo offloading game on their all weather track. If we don't get some pace into our team we are going to struggle. For sure our forwards could try to take theirs on especially with Samson returning but our inefficiency at driving lineouts takes away the biggest weapon of having a dominant 8. 



Tough one re Tyler, clearly going to be part of the window team, but short of game time. Can play anywhere in the o/s backs, but he's clearly a 13 if everyone played their best position.
I was confused why he didn't come on last weekend, but heard he was carrying a minor knock.

Jonny W and Foxy to start but Tyler needs 20+ mins to stretch his legs.



Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:35am
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

I think its the manner in which we lost. And the expectation that always surrounds season openers thats led to the reaction. We should have won.
Yes we should have won but strangely the manner of the loss doesn't bother me because I think it's fixable.

I wish I had your optimism Rob. Munster had a very limited gameplan yet scored 3 tries to nil - one of them from a lineout drive with 7 forwards. We gave away 13 points to nil playing 14 men. Of course everything is fixable but attack & defensively there is a huge amount of work to be done. My overriding feeling is that we have yet to work out our basic gameplan. All decent teams have their way of playing tweaking it to account for opposition, weather etc but they have that basic DNA. 

Our most success has come from an ability & desire to run, support & offload looking to get to the edges where clever wingers could use the space ably supported by a rangy back row forward ( Aaron/Blade/Kennedy) with turnover ball being expertly used. That DNA was ingrained into squad and coaches and put the fear of god into opposition teams - witness Munster in the 2017 final who knew what was coming but were powerless to stop it. Fast forward to today and that basic DNA seems lost in transit. The sooner it is found the better all round. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 9:41am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Tyler Morgan is 10-15 kgs bigger than Steff and seriously quicker. In Johnny's absence and considering we were up against a big midfield should we have not considered selecting Tyler at 12? Glasgow will look to play a high tempo offloading game on their all weather track. If we don't get some pace into our team we are going to struggle. For sure our forwards could try to take theirs on especially with Samson returning but our inefficiency at driving lineouts takes away the biggest weapon of having a dominant 8. 



Tough one re Tyler, clearly going to be part of the window team, but short of game time. Can play anywhere in the o/s backs, but he's clearly a 13 if everyone played their best position.
I was confused why he didn't come on last weekend, but heard he was carrying a minor knock.

Jonny W and Foxy to start but Tyler needs 20+ mins to stretch his legs.


I agree Wil. I really hope for the lads sake that he can get a run of games. He is a real talent who at 24 is still young enough to fulfill his undoubted potential. Big & quick is a good combination to start with. Another lad who is desperate for minutes is Ryan Elias. Another with huge potential who could be sitting around in the Vale for weeks on end just training. The situation with regard to team bubbles and release back to clubs is not going to help the situation. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 10:40am
I fear for Elias, Ken himself was heading in the same way about a decade ago. Matthew Rees was a skipper and an ever present, Ken was 2nd choice and 2nd or 3rd choice hooker for Wales too.
Like Elias, he ended up playing a handful of games for us, and a token game against Samoa or some such for Wales.

It's time for prudent selection of Elias in my view, starting this weekend.

Investment in developing talent is easy when you win of course!


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 10:53am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I fear for Elias, Ken himself was heading in the same way about a decade ago. Matthew Rees was a skipper and an ever present, Ken was 2nd choice and 2nd or 3rd choice hooker for Wales too.
Like Elias, he ended up playing a handful of games for us, and a token game against Samoa or some such for Wales.

It's time for prudent selection of Elias in my view, starting this weekend.

Investment in developing talent is easy when you win of course!

Yes thats right Wil. Ryan has all the credentials to be a top top hooker. He is bigger and carries harder than Ken, who is no slouch by the way. His lineout work is probably not as reliable as Ken but he will learn at the coal face. A coach's job is difficult when trying to win and develop but that is the CV. Right now we have Ryan, Javan, Jac Morgan, Dan Davies, Ryan Conbeer, Osian & Tom Rogers who are pushing very hard for opportunities. 


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 10:57am
We have a group of legend players that is difficoult to leave out and seems to is stopping the development of others...we made talks about Elias from 2 or 3 years, but he finds with difficoult the starting shirt at 2...


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 10:58am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I fear for Elias, Ken himself was heading in the same way about a decade ago. Matthew Rees was a skipper and an ever present, Ken was 2nd choice and 2nd or 3rd choice hooker for Wales too.
Like Elias, he ended up playing a handful of games for us, and a token game against Samoa or some such for Wales.

It's time for prudent selection of Elias in my view, starting this weekend.

Investment in developing talent is easy when you win of course!
They have been subbing Elias on for Ken quite early in the second half over the past few games so it looks like they’re mindful of managing the game time of both of them. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 11:15am
Yes, good call actually. It's just the Wales piece that's the challenge. No doubt Elias will get called up, the amount of game time he will get is unclear.

We do have some decent hooker talent in the wings for the international window. Dafydd Hughes caught the eye last year . Taylor Davies too. Hope they get good game time, with Marc Jones covering.


Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I fear for Elias, Ken himself was heading in the same way about a decade ago. Matthew Rees was a skipper and an ever present, Ken was 2nd choice and 2nd or 3rd choice hooker for Wales too.
Like Elias, he ended up playing a handful of games for us, and a token game against Samoa or some such for Wales.

It's time for prudent selection of Elias in my view, starting this weekend.

Investment in developing talent is easy when you win of course!
I'd also start Elias this coming weekend.

Looked like he had a point to prove when he came on last weekend with some very strong carries.


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Just for our SA friends - Weste is die beste!


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 12:47pm
For me I'd go:

Jones, Elias, Sebastien (If Samson is out)
Tex, Louisi
Thompson, Kalamafoni, Macleod 
Davies, Patchell
Williams, Davies
Evans, Halfpenny Rogers

I'd be looking at having Cassiem on the bench alongside Morgan.


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 12:55pm
Play Ball if fit as he’ll be away with wales 


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 3:23pm
Like to see Costelo involved next week he will be needed when Patch and Leigh go with Wales. We seem to slow to put the youngsters in at the moment only doing so when we have to. We need some creativity at half back and I see him and Kieran as our future pairing. 
We have some really exciting youngsters but they need to be given a go the, English perm teams seem more prepared to give young Welsh talent a go, the Scarlets don’t seem to want to risk it. 


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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 3:45pm
They play nearly double the number of games we do so they rotate their squad accordingly allowing opportunity for young talent
If you give our young guns a go you can't really risk more than one or two of them in any selection, unless of course you are prepared to lose games you should be winning for the sake of development.  The Pro12 as it is now does not have any easy games where we can confidently predict a win.  Even the Dragons are now hard to beat following their player and coaching recruitment.



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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 05 October 2020 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

They play nearly double the number of games we do so they rotate their squad accordingly allowing opportunity for young talent
If you give our young guns a go you can't really risk more than one or two of them in any selection, unless of course you are prepared to lose games you should be winning for the sake of development.  The Pro12 as it is now does not have any easy games where we can confidently predict a win.  Even the Dragons are now hard to beat following their player and coaching recruitment.

We lost one we should have won on saturday with experience,you can't wrap them up forever or we will be going through the baldwin situation every season.


Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 6:45am
This is the last time we will see our internationals until the Heineken Cup starts in December. We need to go full strength. As Glasgow will be going full strength also. Whatever our strongest side is , that's the one we select. Plenty of games coming up for our younger players to be given game time. Theres atleast 6 more games during the autumn period.

The problem we may have during the autumn period is that the 40 man squad selected by Wales are going into a bubble so will they be released for regional duty if not in the squad for the international game ? In a case like this we could have someone like Elias/Steff evans going a long period without a game


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 9:58am
Who will be heading to the Wales team? Wyn, Sheriff, Elias, Ball, Macleod, Cawdor, Steff Evans, Foxy, Halfpenny. 
Blade with Scotland. 

Surely it won’t be Sanjay with no games under his belt for pretty much a season, Patch shouldn’t be selected either. 


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 10:01am
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Who will be heading to the Wales team? Wyn, Sheriff, Elias, Ball, Macleod, Cawdor, Steff Evans, Foxy, Halfpenny. 
Blade with Scotland. 

Surely it won’t be Sanjay with no games under his belt for pretty much a season, Patch shouldn’t be selected either. 
Sanjay is nailed on. I'm worried Ratuva will be away with Fiji.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 10:18am
I have a feeling that we are going to lose the following :-

Leigh, Liam, Foxy, Johnny Williams, Patchell, Cawdor, Hardy, Wyn, Ken, Ryan, Samson, Jake & Josh. Also as Stef points out we could also lose Tex which is going to stretch our front 5 resources. Many of us have been championing our youth well they are going to be getting their chances with our team for Benetton looking something like the following :-

15. Tom Rogers 14. Ryan Conbeer 13. Tyler 12. Steff Hughes 11. Steff Evans 10. Dan 9. Blacker
1. Rob 2. Taylor 3. Javan 4. Sam 5. Rawlings 6. Blade 7. Cubby 8. Sione

16. Marc 17. Price 18. Werner 19. Helps 20. Casseim 21. Homer 22. AOB 23. Asquith. 

Any injuries at 1,2,3, 4, 5 or 9 will expose us. I am basing this on us not seeing any returnees from the welsh squad and Blade not making the Scottish squad. 


Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:19am

13 Scarlets named in the welsh squad

well done to all selected

but that will defo leave us short in areas


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:25am
Patchell makes it in but no Steff Evans you wonder how many tries he needs to score for a welsh region to be recognised. I mean thats good for us but you wonder what basis that decision was made. Sam Davies is one of the in form fly halves and loses out (not our player but the sake of picking Patch who has had 20 mins of game time). Johnny Williams and Hardy also gone, time for our new Scrum halves to step up. 


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 11:45am
Great for the players yes but it’s so bad how they have international games the same time as domestic. Really poos on clubs getting supporters to watch apart from the hardcore. Would have picked Kieran Williams over Jonny tbh.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Great for the players yes but it’s so bad how they have international games the same time as domestic. Really poos on clubs getting supporters to watch apart from the hardcore. Would have picked Kieran Williams over Jonny tbh.
Spot on 

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Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Great for the players yes but it’s so bad how they have international games the same time as domestic. Really poos on clubs getting supporters to watch apart from the hardcore. Would have picked Kieran Williams over Jonny tbh.


I suppose at this present time with no fans allowed in , it really doesnt matter to the regions in terms of bums on seats etc like it normally would , if it wasnt for covid i dont think we would have had half as many league games during the autumn period as we have .

If at some point we are allowed say 1000 fans in we wont have to worry about not enough interest as im sure there will be up to 5000 fans who are desperate to get back to PYS, obviously the main thing is it is going to affect us results wise.

Looking at the games we have , Benetton, Edinburgh, Zebre, Connacht, Ulster and Leinster . we are probably one of the teams in the league affected most by international call ups, so this is going to affect us results wise big style during this period


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:42pm
Sanjay is available for some form of rugby this weekend.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Great for the players yes but it’s so bad how they have international games the same time as domestic. Really poos on clubs getting supporters to watch apart from the hardcore. Would have picked Kieran Williams over Jonny tbh.
 
when the wru are paying 80% of a  players salary they are always going to call the tune
 
until regions have access to their own money this will always be the case
 
Given covid rulings it;s unlikely players will be released back to this period as well Cry


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Sanjay is available for some form of rugby this weekend.

Thought Pivac said available for some sort of rugby for the weekend of the French game which suggests he may be with us in Benetton. 


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Great for the players yes but it’s so bad how they have international games the same time as domestic. Really poos on clubs getting supporters to watch apart from the hardcore. Would have picked Kieran Williams over Jonny tbh.


I suppose at this present time with no fans allowed in , it really doesnt matter to the regions in terms of bums on seats etc like it normally would , if it wasnt for covid i dont think we would have had half as many league games during the autumn period as we have .

If at some point we are allowed say 1000 fans in we wont have to worry about not enough interest as im sure there will be up to 5000 fans who are desperate to get back to PYS, obviously the main thing is it is going to affect us results wise.

Looking at the games we have , Benetton, Edinburgh, Zebre, Connacht, Ulster and Leinster . we are probably one of the teams in the league affected most by international call ups, so this is going to affect us results wise big style during this period
Yea during Covid it’s not a problem for bums on seats but it certainly has an effect on the league. Shouldn’t be happening in “professional” sport and we had the chance to sort this whilst everything went on lockdown. This season we’ll have players who will play more games for wales than us and that’s not down to injuries. 


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Great for the players yes but it’s so bad how they have international games the same time as domestic. Really poos on clubs getting supporters to watch apart from the hardcore. Would have picked Kieran Williams over Jonny tbh.
 
when the wru are paying 80% of a  players salary they are always going to call the tune
 
until regions have access to their own money this will always be the case
 
Given covid rulings it;s unlikely players will be released back to this period as well Cry
Yea I get the salary thing but we’ll never gain interest in this sport in wales carrying on like this apart from the wales only crew or when we get a playoff. Sad and frustrating as a supporter. 


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 1:05pm
Nothing against Elias he has all the minerals. But the non selection of Elliott Dee and the selection of Elias in the Welsh squad I find baffling. Pivac says its due to lack of game time Dee isnt selected...very bizarre as I think of all Wales hookers Elias is THE one needing a run of games. 


Posted By: Calon_Coch2
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 5:34pm
Odd that Pivac says Dee needs more game time yet Sanjay hasn’t played for months and Patch, 10 minutes last Saturday? As for Steff, he had 2 tries and man of the match against the Blues whilst Jonah Holmes didn’t appear in the first 2 games and I thought Hewitt was the better of the Dragon wings last Friday night.  As mentioned in a previous post, Pivac  makes it Up as he goes along mun! 

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 06 October 2020 at 5:53pm
Wyn Jones
Ryan Elias
Samson Lee
Jake Ball
Sam Lousi
Blade Thomson
Josh Macloed
Sione Kalamfoni

Gareth Davies
Rhys Patchell
Steff Evans
Jonny Williams
Jon Davies
Tom Rogers
Leigh Halpenny

Rob Evans ( if fit)
Dafydd Hughes
Werner Kruger
Tex Ratuva
Uzair Cassiem
Dean Blacker
Angus O'Brien
Tyler Morgan

I'm resting Ken as we have lost our 1st and 2nd choice hookers, so someone will need to start next week who hasn't played much yet ( it might be that Marc Jones is the next taxi off the rank ).

Giving Dan Jones a break so Angus can get in to the 23 for some game time, likewise with Hardy so Blacker can come in.
Cassiem offers potentially a little more than Cubby off the bench and Cubby is our first choice 7 with Macleod now called up.
I'd like to have had Kennedy or Dan Davies in there somewhere too if I could, but this is a game we go all out to win, and so can't spin all the plates.


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 10:23am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Brew not got the psssing game for centre. When we going to give knott and morgan starts?
Agree


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 10:25am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Wyn Jones
Ryan Elias
Samson Lee
Jake Ball
Sam Lousi
Blade Thomson
Josh Macloed
Sione Kalamfoni

Gareth Davies
Rhys Patchell
Steff Evans
Jonny Williams
Jon Davies
Tom Rogers
Leigh Halpenny

Rob Evans ( if fit)
Dafydd Hughes
Werner Kruger
Tex Ratuva
Uzair Cassiem
Dean Blacker
Angus O'Brien
Tyler Morgan

I'm resting Ken as we have lost our 1st and 2nd choice hookers, so someone will need to start next week who hasn't played much yet ( it might be that Marc Jones is the next taxi off the rank ).

Giving Dan Jones a break so Angus can get in to the 23 for some game time, likewise with Hardy so Blacker can come in.
Cassiem offers potentially a little more than Cubby off the bench and Cubby is our first choice 7 with Macleod now called up.
I'd like to have had Kennedy or Dan Davies in there somewhere too if I could, but this is a game we go all out to win, and so can't spin all the plates.

Agree with you.


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 10:53am
what do we think of the idea of a 6/2 split
 
having both cubby and Cassiem on the bench?
 
if we have AOB starting or on bench he can cover back 3 and cubby can also cover the wing (see la Rochelle)
 
 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 10:59am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

what do we think of the idea of a 6/2 split
 
having both cubby and Cassiem on the bench?
 
if we have AOB starting or on bench he can cover back 3 and cubby can also cover the wing (see la Rochelle)
 
 

Problem I see is we have Foxy who is just back from injury and no centre cover on the bench unless we can use Tom Rogers or indeed Cubby. Cubby for me would make a decent fist of playing at 13. I take it your gameplan involves really having a go at their pack. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 11:13am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

what do we think of the idea of a 6/2 split
 
having both cubby and Cassiem on the bench?
 
if we have AOB starting or on bench he can cover back 3 and cubby can also cover the wing (see la Rochelle)
 
 

Problem I see is we have Foxy who is just back from injury and no centre cover on the bench unless we can use Tom Rogers or indeed Cubby. Cubby for me would make a decent fist of playing at 13. I take it your gameplan involves really having a go at their pack. 
10.Patchell
11.Steff
12.Costello
13.Davies
14.Rogers
15.AOB
Watching Costello in the u20's,I was struck by his appetite for the tackle,something confirmed by Leicester fans-he coould possibly offer a great option as 12 outside an attacking 10.That selection would allow Morgan onto the bench alongside Asquith and the scrum-half.With a view to the coming months,I'd be tempted to put Patch at 15 and AOB at 10.
(I'm fully aware that this selection is very unlikely to resemble the coaches',but....better a fantasy than a nightmare..)


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 11:29am
9. Cawdor 
10. Angus 
11. Steff Evans
12. Asquith
13. Foxy
14. Conbeer 
15. Halfpenny 

If that can’t get us a try nothing will 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 11:53am
Johnny Williams is available - just saying like!!!!


Posted By: ChrisX
Date Posted: 07 October 2020 at 12:25pm
For Glasgow:- 

Wyn Jones
Ryan Elias
Samson Lee
Jake Ball
Sam Lousi
Blade Thomson
Josh Macloed
Sione Kalamafoni

Gareth Davies
Rhys Patchell
Steff Evans
Jonny Williams
Jon Davies
Tom Rogers
Leigh Halfpenny

Phil Price
Ken Owens
Werner Kruger
Lewis Rawlins
Uzair Cassiem
Kieran Hardy
Angus O'Brien
Paul Asquith


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 08 October 2020 at 11:37am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

what do we think of the idea of a 6/2 split
 
having both cubby and Cassiem on the bench?
 
if we have AOB starting or on bench he can cover back 3 and cubby can also cover the wing (see la Rochelle)
 
 

Problem I see is we have Foxy who is just back from injury and no centre cover on the bench unless we can use Tom Rogers or indeed Cubby. Cubby for me would make a decent fist of playing at 13. I take it your gameplan involves really having a go at their pack. 
10.Patchell
11.Steff
12.Costello
13.Davies
14.Rogers
15.AOB
Watching Costello in the u20's,I was struck by his appetite for the tackle,something confirmed by Leicester fans-he coould possibly offer a great option as 12 outside an attacking 10.That selection would allow Morgan onto the bench alongside Asquith and the scrum-half.With a view to the coming months,I'd be tempted to put Patch at 15 and AOB at 10.
(I'm fully aware that this selection is very unlikely to resemble the coaches',but....better a fantasy than a nightmare..)
 
 
bit small for a 12 isn't he? I know he's brave but not sure hell be able to physically cope in that position
 
Have to say patchell at 15 would offer more in attack than halfpenny does


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 08 October 2020 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

what do we think of the idea of a 6/2 split
 
having both cubby and Cassiem on the bench?
 
if we have AOB starting or on bench he can cover back 3 and cubby can also cover the wing (see la Rochelle)
 
 

Problem I see is we have Foxy who is just back from injury and no centre cover on the bench unless we can use Tom Rogers or indeed Cubby. Cubby for me would make a decent fist of playing at 13. I take it your gameplan involves really having a go at their pack. 
10.Patchell
11.Steff
12.Costello
13.Davies
14.Rogers
15.AOB
Watching Costello in the u20's,I was struck by his appetite for the tackle,something confirmed by Leicester fans-he coould possibly offer a great option as 12 outside an attacking 10.That selection would allow Morgan onto the bench alongside Asquith and the scrum-half.With a view to the coming months,I'd be tempted to put Patch at 15 and AOB at 10.
(I'm fully aware that this selection is very unlikely to resemble the coaches',but....better a fantasy than a nightmare..)
 
 
bit small for a 12 isn't he? I know he's brave but not sure hell be able to physically cope in that position
 
Have to say patchell at 15 would offer more in attack than halfpenny does

You may be right,but he has played there.
.About 12 or13 years ago I recall Gitteau(not a big man) and Cooper interchanging from 10 to 12 in Cardiff.They cut Wales to ribbons.
Gwyn Jones was always pushing for Patchell to play at 15,where he thought he was more suited.


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 08 October 2020 at 2:20pm
A player tested positive for Covid who was not involved in the match day squad at the weekend 


Posted By: mr geraint
Date Posted: 08 October 2020 at 2:20pm
Patchell at 15 would be like Goode at 15 for Saracens.

The problem being that we don’t have a Lions ten to play at fly-half while Patch is back there.
And we’d be dropping McNicholl to fit Halfpenny and Sanjay on the wings.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 08 October 2020 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by mr geraint mr geraint wrote:

Patchell at 15 would be like Goode at 15 for Saracens.

The problem being that we don’t have a Lions ten to play at fly-half while Patch is back there.
And we’d be dropping McNicholl to fit Halfpenny and Sanjay on the wings.
 
 
or we'd drop halfpenny all together and play sanjay / stef /jonny mac on the wings?
 
Iy won't  happen but would be interesting  to see how patch went at 15 , but when we have halfpenny and sanjay at 15 he won't be starting there


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 08 October 2020 at 4:41pm
Rhys doesn't want to play 15. That is the whole reason he left the Blues. He is one of the best 10's in Wales and we have the two best 15's in Wales. Play them in their favoured positions I say. When all away with Wales I think Rogers and AOB will be given the chance.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 08 October 2020 at 7:54pm
https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-statement/?fbclid=IwAR0NMrVbHLHe0XtAM7uL6KBzCg75lxo3RWDQTn5GXwIPLESQoG1bJqGgMTw" rel="nofollow - https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-statement/?fbclid=IwAR0NMrVbHLHe0XtAM7uL6KBzCg75lxo3RWDQTn5GXwIPLESQoG1bJqGgMTw


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 8:44am
Am I right in guessing that our team won't be out until tomorrow as the game is on Sunday?


Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 9:24am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Rhys doesn't want to play 15. That is the whole reason he left the Blues. He is one of the best 10's in Wales and we have the two best 15's in Wales. Play them in their favoured positions I say. When all away with Wales I think Rogers and AOB will be given the chance.


This!


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 9:35am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Am I right in guessing that our team won't be out until tomorrow as the game is on Sunday?
Today

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 9:41am
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Am I right in guessing that our team won't be out until tomorrow as the game is on Sunday?
Today

Ah great, thanks!


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 9:42am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

what do we think of the idea of a 6/2 split
 
having both cubby and Cassiem on the bench?
 
if we have AOB starting or on bench he can cover back 3 and cubby can also cover the wing (see la Rochelle)
 
 

Problem I see is we have Foxy who is just back from injury and no centre cover on the bench unless we can use Tom Rogers or indeed Cubby. Cubby for me would make a decent fist of playing at 13. I take it your gameplan involves really having a go at their pack. 
10.Patchell
11.Steff
12.Costello
13.Davies
14.Rogers
15.AOB
Watching Costello in the u20's,I was struck by his appetite for the tackle,something confirmed by Leicester fans-he coould possibly offer a great option as 12 outside an attacking 10.That selection would allow Morgan onto the bench alongside Asquith and the scrum-half.With a view to the coming months,I'd be tempted to put Patch at 15 and AOB at 10.
(I'm fully aware that this selection is very unlikely to resemble the coaches',but....better a fantasy than a nightmare..)
 
 
bit small for a 12 isn't he? I know he's brave but not sure hell be able to physically cope in that position
 
Have to say patchell at 15 would offer more in attack than halfpenny does

You may be right,but he has played there.
.About 12 or13 years ago I recall Gitteau(not a big man) and Cooper interchanging from 10 to 12 in Cardiff.They cut Wales to ribbons.
Gwyn Jones was always pushing for Patchell to play at 15,where he thought he was more suited.

Can't say I would agree with Gwyn Jones on that one. Rhys has a booming kicking game to which he has added accuracy. He has pace and wonderful distribution skills. He likes to play flat and with clever players alongside him at 12/13 can really unpick modern defences. His pace & willingness to take the direct option means that he holds oppostion midfield defences. In all an excellent International calibre 10. Of course when needs must a la Bath away in the Heineken he can step in at 15 & do a marvelous job. We have really missed his input since the World Cup. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 10:50am
Patchell big issue is his tackling, he is too upright and ends up taking a lot of bumps to the head
 
He has everything else needed to be a top class 10 and imo a top class 15 , 
 
Wales have two very good 15;s (though granted they are both getting on)  so we need a 10 more,  Biggar won't last much longer and patchell is the next cab of the rank, evans and sheedy are the next two behind him and then the young guns like Costello and Lloyd will be coming to push a claim.
 
This welsh team is creaking towards the next world cup and either before or certainly directly after it we will see 7/8 starting players needed to be replaced
 
 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Patchell big issue is his tackling, he is too upright and ends up taking a lot of bumps to the head
 
He has everything else needed to be a top class 10 and imo a top class 15 , 
 
Wales have two very good 15;s (though granted they are both getting on)  so we need a 10 more,  Biggar won't last much longer and patchell is the next cab of the rank, evans and sheedy are the next two behind him and then the young guns like Costello and Lloyd will be coming to push a claim.
 
This welsh team is creaking towards the next world cup and either before or certainly directly after it we will see 7/8 starting players needed to be replaced
 
 
Biggar is only 29 ish isn’t he ? 🤔 been around for years and fair play to him . Always 100% guy

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Patchell big issue is his tackling, he is too upright and ends up taking a lot of bumps to the head
 
He has everything else needed to be a top class 10 and imo a top class 15 , 
 
Wales have two very good 15;s (though granted they are both getting on)  so we need a 10 more,  Biggar won't last much longer and patchell is the next cab of the rank, evans and sheedy are the next two behind him and then the young guns like Costello and Lloyd will be coming to push a claim.
 
This welsh team is creaking towards the next world cup and either before or certainly directly after it we will see 7/8 starting players needed to be replaced
 
 
Biggar is only 29 ish isn’t he ? 🤔 been around for years and fair play to him . Always 100% guy

31 next week. As much as I used to detest him playing for the Ospreys, he is a fearless 10.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Patchell big issue is his tackling, he is too upright and ends up taking a lot of bumps to the head
 
He has everything else needed to be a top class 10 and imo a top class 15 , 
 
Wales have two very good 15;s (though granted they are both getting on)  so we need a 10 more,  Biggar won't last much longer and patchell is the next cab of the rank, evans and sheedy are the next two behind him and then the young guns like Costello and Lloyd will be coming to push a claim.
 
This welsh team is creaking towards the next world cup and either before or certainly directly after it we will see 7/8 starting players needed to be replaced
 
 
Biggar is only 29 ish isn’t he ? 🤔 been around for years and fair play to him . Always 100% guy

31 next week. As much as I used to detest him playing for the Ospreys, he is a fearless 10.
Diolch- he’s knocking on a bit then 😉  

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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 09 October 2020 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

what do we think of the idea of a 6/2 split
 
having both cubby and Cassiem on the bench?
 
if we have AOB starting or on bench he can cover back 3 and cubby can also cover the wing (see la Rochelle)
 
 

Problem I see is we have Foxy who is just back from injury and no centre cover on the bench unless we can use Tom Rogers or indeed Cubby. Cubby for me would make a decent fist of playing at 13. I take it your gameplan involves really having a go at their pack. 
10.Patchell
11.Steff
12.Costello
13.Davies
14.Rogers
15.AOB
Watching Costello in the u20's,I was struck by his appetite for the tackle,something confirmed by Leicester fans-he coould possibly offer a great option as 12 outside an attacking 10.That selection would allow Morgan onto the bench alongside Asquith and the scrum-half.With a view to the coming months,I'd be tempted to put Patch at 15 and AOB at 10.
(I'm fully aware that this selection is very unlikely to resemble the coaches',but....better a fantasy than a nightmare..)
 
 
bit small for a 12 isn't he? I know he's brave but not sure hell be able to physically cope in that position
 
Have to say patchell at 15 would offer more in attack than halfpenny does

You may be right,but he has played there.
.About 12 or13 years ago I recall Gitteau(not a big man) and Cooper interchanging from 10 to 12 in Cardiff.They cut Wales to ribbons.
Gwyn Jones was always pushing for Patchell to play at 15,where he thought he was more suited.

Can't say I would agree with Gwyn Jones on that one. Rhys has a booming kicking game to which he has added accuracy. He has pace and wonderful distribution skills. He likes to play flat and with clever players alongside him at 12/13 can really unpick modern defences. His pace & willingness to take the direct option means that he holds oppostion midfield defences. In all an excellent International calibre 10. Of course when needs must a la Bath away in the Heineken he can step in at 15 & do a marvelous job. We have really missed his input since the World Cup. 

I am about 55/45 in favour of the FB slot being Patch's best position. Yet 10 is the more difficult role and he is international level. That is where we need him most.


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