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Topic: Sam Lousi
Posted By: philturk
Subject: Sam Lousi
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 12:53pm
4 week ban...

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Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 1:11pm
Not a bad result. I didn’t think he’d have any reduction from the entry level due to this being his second red card. 


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 2:06pm
Ridiculous, when contrasted with O'Mahoney's sweet fa. for diving in shoulder first toward players who couldn't get out of the way or protect themselves. And what happened to the Glasgow player who knocked out Ken and prevented him playing for weeks/months with what was nowhere near a tackle - no citation and no punishment?


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Ridiculous, when contrasted with O'Mahoney's sweet fa. for diving in shoulder first toward players who couldn't get out of the way or protect themselves. And what happened to the Glasgow player who knocked out Ken and prevented him playing for weeks/months with what was nowhere near a tackle - no citation and no punishment?
It’s a fair punishment as what he did was reckless, pure and simple. The others might also have deserved bans but that doesn’t mean that Louisi’s punishment was ridiculous. When compared to the Turnbull ban it seems pretty fair.


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 5:14pm
Its evident citings need reform. Some level of consistency is required i’m not advocating no punishment, it was dangerous play. However to me there was no intention to deliberately hurt, Sam is a big lad and it in a high shoulder to a player just landed off a high ball and was bracing for the hit. 

In my opinion deliberate cheap shots should be taken out of the game, even if they are not as dangerous. They should both be followed with a ban. O Mahoney isnt the first and wont be the last, but it just makes the whole process seem like a bit of a farce. You get a lengthy ban for an accident and no ban for a cheap shot.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 5:37pm

  Until there is a Worldwide disciplinary panel , the shambles will continue...

   The challenge by Hill the Exeter lock on Faletau a shocker, was not even sighted . The challenge on Ken , by the Glasgow forward on Ken , also looked a shocker ..The Irish/Scots run league ,only showed one replay , if that was a Welsh player it would have been shown time and time again ..



Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 5:48pm
A cheap deliberate hit , heavy or light, should morally always carry some suspension even after a yellow and/ or red , even if only a week! It is wrong to just cite players and ban them for non intentional hits (which become technically illegal due to recklessness or carelessness) and leave intentional hits go scott free in citing terms. It needs levelling up to use a Boris phrase! 

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Posted By: pillory
Date Posted: 15 October 2020 at 6:29pm
[Insert conspiracy theory about the Scottish QC who presided]


Posted By: mr geraint
Date Posted: 16 October 2020 at 6:38am
There should be a worldwide panel, reviewing video and making decisions without any money-spinning, jobs for your QC mates hearings.
They should be based in a low tier nation (Spain?) and any team can just ask them to review an incident.
Teams who spam empty review requests would get a fine.
They would remove mitigation for good behaviour.
They would apply increases for bad behaviour.
I would also suggest an automatic lengthening of sentence for current internationals.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 16 October 2020 at 7:01am
Lousi 4 week ban for an attempted tackle. It was a poor tackle, but a tackle never the less. Fair ban.
Hendersen 3 weeks for a deliberate cheap shot to the head on dan evans.
Omahanoy nothing for a deliberate shoulder to thevhead of jake ball.
Zander fagerson nothing for a no arms tackle and shoulder barge to ken.
It shows how inconsistencies are making this league a laughing stock and proving that if you live in certain regions you can get away with almost anyghing

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 16 October 2020 at 7:18am
you can cite other cases till the cows come home but the thing is if he was more disciplined on the field he wouldn't be in this position,this instance was an attempted tackle but out in munster he was swinging haymakers his team mates and supporters don't need that.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 16 October 2020 at 8:44am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

you can cite other cases till the cows come home but the thing is if he was more disciplined on the field he wouldn't be in this position,this instance was an attempted tackle but out in munster he was swinging haymakers his team mates and supporters don't need that.

I agree Nigel - any more problems and he becomes a total liability who is not worth a new contract. Discipline is a huge part of the modern game. Our penalty count is one of the highest after two rounds. Carry on like that & we are not going to win many games. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 16 October 2020 at 9:03am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

you can cite other cases till the cows come home but the thing is if he was more disciplined on the field he wouldn't be in this position,this instance was an attempted tackle but out in munster he was swinging haymakers his team mates and supporters don't need that.

I agree Nigel - any more problems and he becomes a total liability who is not worth a new contract. Discipline is a huge part of the modern game. Our penalty count is one of the highest after two rounds. Carry on like that & we are not going to win many games. 

Totally agree with you both there. We have great jacklers over the ball but the player making the tackle has to be quicker in making the movement away from the area - I feel this is something we get pinged with a lot.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 16 October 2020 at 9:19am
Originally posted by mr geraint mr geraint wrote:

There should be a worldwide panel, reviewing video and making decisions without any money-spinning, jobs for your QC mates hearings.
They should be based in a low tier nation (Spain?) and any team can just ask them to review an incident.
Teams who spam empty review requests would get a fine.
They would remove mitigation for good behaviour.
They would apply increases for bad behaviour.
I would also suggest an automatic lengthening of sentence for current internationals.

You missed out tar and feathering and jail time!


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Posted By: insidehalf
Date Posted: 18 October 2020 at 10:16pm
Does the friendly against the Dragons count as one of Sam's 4 game ban, same as our friendly against the Ospreys counted as one of George North's ban?


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 18 October 2020 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by insidehalf insidehalf wrote:

Does the friendly against the Dragons count as one of Sam's 4 game ban, same as our friendly against the Ospreys counted as one of George North's ban?
Yes. Personally find it ridiculous but certainly won’t complain! 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 8:03am
Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by insidehalf insidehalf wrote:

Does the friendly against the Dragons count as one of Sam's 4 game ban, same as our friendly against the Ospreys counted as one of George North's ban?
Yes. Personally find it ridiculous but certainly won’t complain! 
I think Sam’s ban was in weeks so the status of that Dragons game or any others would be immaterial. 

Not sure re George’s ban, although I think I recall x meaningful games.


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 9:56am
Originally posted by insidehalf insidehalf wrote:

Does the friendly against the Dragons count as one of Sam's 4 game ban, same as our friendly against the Ospreys counted as one of George North's ban?
If so then it should. Looking forward to the 3 friendlies this week against Felinfoel, Bynea and New Dock Stars LOLLOL


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Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 11:57am
He had a 4 week ban not 4 matches. He misses 3 league games and a friendly within that 4 weeks. If there were 4 league games, he'd have missed 4 league games within the 4 week period... If there was only 1 game, he'd have missed one game. The pros and cons of having suspensions in weeks not games. 


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 12:11pm
The bans should always be in games not weeks imo. However, it works in our favour on this occasion so I won't grumble


Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

He had a 4 week ban not 4 matches. He misses 3 league games and a friendly within that 4 weeks. If there were 4 league games, he'd have missed 4 league games within the 4 week period... If there was only 1 game, he'd have missed one game. The pros and cons of having suspensions in weeks not games. 

Good point that.


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 12:50pm
I like the weeks as it covers all competitions.

As an aside, I assume there is a pause on the weeks when there is no rugby? So if this happened in the last match of a normal ending season, the fallow weeks wouldn't count?


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I like the weeks as it covers all competitions.

As an aside, I assume there is a pause on the weeks when there is no rugby? So if this happened in the last match of a normal ending season, the fallow weeks wouldn't count?
Sam Lousi only missed 1 game of his previous red card due to covid. Irish player had a month suspension for failing a drug test... He missed 1 game. Normal ending season, the ban will carry on. But I think then it will include preseason friendlies then as well. Not 100% though. 


Posted By: Dylan
Date Posted: 19 October 2020 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I like the weeks as it covers all competitions.

As an aside, I assume there is a pause on the weeks when there is no rugby? So if this happened in the last match of a normal ending season, the fallow weeks wouldn't count?

Joe Marler had a 10 week ban for grabbing AWJ's balls.  He didn't miss a single game


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 20 October 2020 at 6:22pm
The whole system is really poor. I'm pretty confident you can take 3 moderately intelligent people off of this forum or any rugby forum and they could come up with a more consistent and fair framework. It's embarrassing for a professional sport to be run in this manner. 


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 21 October 2020 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

The whole system is really poor. I'm pretty confident you can take 3 moderately intelligent people off of this forum or any rugby forum and they could come up with a more consistent and fair framework. It's embarrassing for a professional sport to be run in this manner. 
100% agree. When you see some of the decisions in all sports, some of which are baffling without any way to find out the thought process, its so frustrating.


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