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Topic: Player Release?
Posted By: knutsfordlion
Subject: Player Release?
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 4:59pm
Now he has picked his side for Friday, surely some players who are woefully short of game time can be released back to the regions!!
 
 


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Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 5:12pm
Patchell injured I am hearing.


Posted By: Sandman
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by knutsfordlion knutsfordlion wrote:

Now he has picked his side for Friday, surely some players who are woefully short of game time can be released back to the regions!!
 
 
That would make perfect sense. However, when it comes to the WRU and the regions, the words perfect sense and WRU don’t appear in the same sentence. 

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Posted By: trinity60
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 6:22pm
The dragons cocked up any chance of player release when 9 of the squad tested positive.
If they had stayed clear i think some would have been released last week and even more this week to make sure they are having game time. WRU can’t risk someone going into an environment where the whole squad and potential fixtures are put at risk.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by trinity60 trinity60 wrote:

The dragons cocked up any chance of player release when 9 of the squad tested positive.
If they had stayed clear i think some would have been released last week and even more this week to make sure they are having game time. WRU can’t risk someone going into an environment where the whole squad and potential fixtures are put at risk.

    Something does not add up with the Dragons Covid situation . The South Wales Argus reports in a morning they have a  fully fit squad for the Connacht game last weekend, then all over sudden there are 9 people with Covid . The Ospreys had 3 players with Covid, but there games are been played .

    We would not have any players released in my opinion, even without the above . 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by trinity60 trinity60 wrote:

The dragons cocked up any chance of player release when 9 of the squad tested positive.
If they had stayed clear i think some would have been released last week and even more this week to make sure they are having game time. WRU can’t risk someone going into an environment where the whole squad and potential fixtures are put at risk.
our players need game time too.


Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by knutsfordlion knutsfordlion wrote:

Now he has picked his side for Friday, surely some players who are woefully short of game time can be released back to the regions!!
 
 
Hardy and Jonny Williams should be starting for us at the weekend.  But can't see them being released. Confused


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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Originally posted by knutsfordlion knutsfordlion wrote:

Now he has picked his side for Friday, surely some players who are woefully short of game time can be released back to the regions!!
 
 
Hardy and Jonny Williams should be starting for us at the weekend.  But can't see them being released. Confused
Not a good idea having last minute release. They would have needed a week  training withour squad to be of any use to us.                       q


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Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 11 November 2020 at 8:09pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Originally posted by knutsfordlion knutsfordlion wrote:

Now he has picked his side for Friday, surely some players who are woefully short of game time can be released back to the regions!!
 
 
Hardy and Jonny Williams should be starting for us at the weekend.  But can't see them being released. Confused
Not a good idea having last minute release. They would have needed a week  training withour squad to be of any use to us.                       q
Wouldn't necessarily be last minute, as long as they could get one or even two sessions down here before the game.  Hardy and Williams badly need some game time - that's the only way they'll improve as players and show the Welsh coaches what they're capable of. And with due respect, they both walk into the current Scarlets XV.



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Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 8:50am
We won't be having any. It's been said a few times. What we need and what we get are two completely different things. The squad we have at the moment (without the internationals) are the ones we have for more or less the season. We may see them for one or two games in December. Possibly January. But then it's 6N training camps. 

I can only hope that they decide to move the 6N to the summer so we can have a 2021 with the internationals. 


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 9:01am
2020-21 has disaster written all over it...Leinster seem to manage, however.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 9:11am
Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

2020-21 has disaster written all over it...Leinster seem to manage, however.

They do, I genuinely think their 2nd team could win the Pro 14!


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 10:08am
this is a total mess, hardy and Williams haven't played a minutes rugby since their call up
 
there are other cases at other regions holmes,smith,dee  to name a few who haven't had any rugby since the French game weekend
 
Covid doesn't seem to stop other nations releasing fringe players back to their sides


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 10:23am
You wonder why rugby isn't that popular. Nothing to do with the sport, but when star players play a handful of games a year for the regional teams it doesn't exactly encourage new fans. 


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 11:45am
Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

You wonder why rugby isn't that popular. Nothing to do with the sport, but when star players play a handful of games a year for the regional teams it doesn't exactly encourage new fans. 
Exactly it’s shocking and hugely amateurish


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 11:53am
Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

You wonder why rugby isn't that popular. Nothing to do with the sport, but when star players play a handful of games a year for the regional teams it doesn't exactly encourage new fans. 
Exactly it’s shocking and hugely amateurish
It's definitely not something you see in any other professional sport.


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

You wonder why rugby isn't that popular. Nothing to do with the sport, but when star players play a handful of games a year for the regional teams it doesn't exactly encourage new fans. 

Spot on, the entire system and season structure is broken


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 12:07pm
We basically get a new team back when they finish and there is no time to gel the two squads back together before European fixtures are played usually. The whole Autumn cup is pointless, they just saw the opportunity to cash in on the Amazon tv deal. Money talks sadly and there is little we are able to do about it. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

We basically get a new team back when they finish and there is no time to gel the two squads back together before European fixtures are played usually. The whole Autumn cup is pointless, they just saw the opportunity to cash in on the Amazon tv deal. Money talks sadly and there is little we are able to do about it. 

We never get that time anyway, I'm sure the last (extra) AI is usually the weekend before the 3rd round of European fixtures.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

2020-21 has disaster written all over it...Leinster seem to manage, however.
Yes but they’ve got a playing budget in the region of £11m which is higher than every side in the Gallagher Premiership 

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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

We basically get a new team back when they finish and there is no time to gel the two squads back together before European fixtures are played usually. The whole Autumn cup is pointless, they just saw the opportunity to cash in on the Amazon tv deal. Money talks sadly and there is little we are able to do about it. 
The Autumn Nations Cup isn’t pointless. That money is desperately needed

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Posted By: mr geraint
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

You wonder why rugby isn't that popular. Nothing to do with the sport, but when star players play a handful of games a year for the regional teams it doesn't exactly encourage new fans. 
Exactly it’s shocking and hugely amateurish
It's definitely not something you see in any other professional sport.

Cricket works that way.


Posted By: Maple
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 12:55pm
the words perfect sense and WRU don’t appear in the same sentence/
It seems they do Wink


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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by mr geraint mr geraint wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

You wonder why rugby isn't that popular. Nothing to do with the sport, but when star players play a handful of games a year for the regional teams it doesn't exactly encourage new fans. 
Exactly it’s shocking and hugely amateurish
It's definitely not something you see in any other professional sport.

Cricket works that way.

Yes,of course!!Since it was taken off terrestrial t.v,I haven't been able to see much of top class cricket at all.Lack of exposure is a big cause for concern there,and continually debated too.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

We basically get a new team back when they finish and there is no time to gel the two squads back together before European fixtures are played usually. The whole Autumn cup is pointless, they just saw the opportunity to cash in on the Amazon tv deal. Money talks sadly and there is little we are able to do about it. 
The Autumn Nations Cup isn’t pointless. That money is desperately needed
Do results affect competition seedings Steff eg World Cup or irrelevant?

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Posted By: Captain
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 2:28pm
Not for World Cup seeding. But will effect rankings 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

We basically get a new team back when they finish and there is no time to gel the two squads back together before European fixtures are played usually. The whole Autumn cup is pointless, they just saw the opportunity to cash in on the Amazon tv deal. Money talks sadly and there is little we are able to do about it. 
The Autumn Nations Cup isn’t pointless. That money is desperately needed
Do results affect competition seedings Steff eg World Cup or irrelevant?

Nope, we're locked in as one of the 4 top seeded teams for next months draw.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

2020-21 has disaster written all over it...Leinster seem to manage, however.
Yes but they’ve got a playing budget in the region of £11m which is higher than every side in the Gallagher Premiership 
 
 
£11 Million pounds? seems a bit high that sn? don't doubt your inside info but you sure that's right?
 
12.25 million euro seems a lot just on a wage bill
 
They don't really have any huge overseas stars there and a lot of their squad are homegrown academy kids
 
 


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 3:53pm
The Irfu stated last month that they were haemorrhaging about 5m euros per month on the national and provincial sides to that figure sounds about right, with that sort of funding they could afford to,keep all of their academy players happy - whereas we and the other regions are always struggling to stave off the English Premiership sides and their offers of bigger wages or scholarships.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

We basically get a new team back when they finish and there is no time to gel the two squads back together before European fixtures are played usually. The whole Autumn cup is pointless, they just saw the opportunity to cash in on the Amazon tv deal. Money talks sadly and there is little we are able to do about it. 
The Autumn Nations Cup isn’t pointless. That money is desperately needed
does our loan apr come down?


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

2020-21 has disaster written all over it...Leinster seem to manage, however.
Yes but they’ve got a playing budget in the region of £11m which is higher than every side in the Gallagher Premiership 
 
 
£11 Million pounds? seems a bit high that sn? don't doubt your inside info but you sure that's right?
 
12.25 million euro seems a lot just on a wage bill
 
They don't really have any huge overseas stars there and a lot of their squad are homegrown academy kids
 
 
I have no idea if it’s accurate. Easy enough to spend that on a squad of 50+ though? 

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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 12 November 2020 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

2020-21 has disaster written all over it...Leinster seem to manage, however.
Yes but they’ve got a playing budget in the region of £11m which is higher than every side in the Gallagher Premiership 
 
 
£11 Million pounds? seems a bit high that sn? don't doubt your inside info but you sure that's right?
 
12.25 million euro seems a lot just on a wage bill
 
They don't really have any huge overseas stars there and a lot of their squad are homegrown academy kids
 
 
Yep it’s 100% accurate 

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 7:26pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54985119%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54985119

Seems as though the O's will get North released for this weekend. Makes a mockery of last week's Covid excuse. 


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54985119%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54985119

Seems as though the O's will get North released for this weekend. Makes a mockery of last week's Covid excuse. 
I'm not sure that the Wales management used Covid as an excuse did they?


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 8:39pm
Apologies if I'm wrong. 


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 8:47pm
Some players have been released.  Sanjay for instance was released to play for us. 

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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Some players have been released.  Sanjay for instance was released to play for us. 

If true,pick him.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 8:59pm

  Sanjay was only released as he had not played any rugby for a long time .


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Some players have been released.  Sanjay for instance was released to play for us. 

If true,pick him.
Sorry, I mean't he was released previously; not for this week

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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 18 November 2020 at 9:34pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


  Sanjay was only released as he had not played any rugby for a long time .
Indeed, which proves that players aren't kept in because of COVID19 rules.

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 19 November 2020 at 4:58am
McNichol called in and North released. Pretty sure he will start.



Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 November 2020 at 6:48am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

McNichol called in and North released. Pretty sure he will start.


Sanjay at 15, LRZ & McNichol on the wings. 


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 19 November 2020 at 7:43am
That just shows the covid excuse is as we all know... rubbish


Posted By: Captain
Date Posted: 19 November 2020 at 11:58am
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

That just shows the covid excuse is as we all know... rubbish

They never use Covid as a reason!  It’s always Wales position not release, has been for many many years now. 


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 19 November 2020 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by Captain Captain wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

That just shows the covid excuse is as we all know... rubbish

They never use Covid as a reason!  It’s always Wales position not release, has been for many many years now. 
many were saying it was due to covid bubbles etc. This just shows it isnt as JM is straight in as is Botham having played different oppositions.

I can only assume from this weekend on that pivac will release a few from next week. It was always going to be mass changes v Georgia but for the rest of the tournament I expect him now to release players like Patch and Hardy and if he's not going to be used for the rest of the tournament, Johnny Williams. 


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 19 November 2020 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Captain wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

That just shows the covid excuse is as we all know... rubbish

They never use Covid as a reason!  It’s always Wales position not release, has been for many many years now. 
many were saying it was due to covid bubbles etc. This just shows it isnt as JM is straight in as is Botham having played different oppositions.

I can only assume from this weekend on that pivac will release a few from next week. It was always going to be mass changes v Georgia but for the rest of the tournament I expect him now to release players like Patch and Hardy and if he's not going to be used for the rest of the tournament, Johnny Williams. 
The Wales camp haven't mentioned Covid, that's just reasonable speculation by outsiders like us.
Patch will play his next game for us when fit, but if Kieran plays well, he could be in the 23 for the remaining Autumn games. Same for Johnny Williams. Watkins isn't all that IMHO


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