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    Posted: 24 December 2019 at 4:51pm
This has raised its head again in the press with O'Gara piping up.

We need this, we need an Anglo Welsh ideally. 

The WRU can't continue to sell rugby to the masses in Wales based on that debacle we saw at Rodney Parade, we need something fresh to take off and grip people from the start

The other games between the other regions are not exactly spectacles either, only die hard fans are bothered at the moment.

We need this change.
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Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

This has raised its head again in the press with O'Gara piping up.

We need this, we need an Anglo Welsh ideally. 

The WRU can't continue to sell rugby to the masses in Wales based on that debacle we saw at Rodney Parade, we need something fresh to take off and grip people from the start

The other games between the other regions are not exactly spectacles either, only die hard fans are bothered at the moment.

We need this change.

I’d love this as well. There are also loads of questions like relegation? Funding? Would it be ok then for welsh players to go to English teams? Relegation would worry me as the scarlets have the ability to have horror seasons( like the last one)!!
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it would need to be a ring fenced expansion possibly including newcastle and cornish pirates. Ireland and Scotland included as well if it was to come off. I would see it something like the nfl. 

Irish conference - 4 provinces 
Welsh conference - us, ospreys, drags, blues
North/ scotland - edinburgh, glasgow, sale, newcastle 
Midlands - wasps, leicester, northampton, worcester
London - harlequins, london irish, saracens, gloucester??
Southeast - bath, bristol, exeter, cornish pirates???

Derbys are protected. Then you play x number of the teams on a yearly rotational cycle. Top team of each group followed by some wildcards for (those with a lot of wins) make the playoffs.

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Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

it would need to be a ring fenced expansion possibly including newcastle and cornish pirates. Ireland and Scotland included as well if it was to come off. I would see it something like the nfl. 

Irish conference - 4 provinces 
Welsh conference - us, ospreys, drags, blues
North/ scotland - edinburgh, glasgow, sale, newcastle 
Midlands - wasps, leicester, northampton, worcester
London - harlequins, london irish, saracens, gloucester??
Southeast - bath, bristol, exeter, cornish pirates???

Derbys are protected. Then you play x number of the teams on a yearly rotational cycle. Top team of each group followed by some wildcards for (those with a lot of wins) make the playoffs.

Think the side to accompany Newcastle is likely to be Ealing Trailfinders, although you never know at this stage of the season.
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Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

it would need to be a ring fenced expansion possibly including newcastle and cornish pirates. Ireland and Scotland included as well if it was to come off. I would see it something like the nfl. 

Irish conference - 4 provinces 
Welsh conference - us, ospreys, drags, blues
North/ scotland - edinburgh, glasgow, sale, newcastle 
Midlands - wasps, leicester, northampton, worcester
London - harlequins, london irish, saracens, gloucester??
Southeast - bath, bristol, exeter, cornish pirates???



Derbys are protected. Then you play x number of the teams on a yearly rotational cycle. Top team of each group followed by some wildcards for (those with a lot of wins) make the playoffs.

Depends if the WRU still want the current regions. Would be a good time get rid of one the regions, if that’s what they still want
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We, as in Wales, needs this. I don’t believe our English counterparts would agree. Hopefully they do. However, the English premiership is strong enough without us with teams who finish poorly one season progressing the next. Their grounds are constantly packed with only a few exceptions, the opposite is true for the Pro14. Can’t see this merger happening, would love to be wrong. 
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This is all pie in the sky at the moment
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Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

This is all pie in the sky at the moment
It’s not at all. A British and Irish League is actually written into the CVC policy statement. 
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

This is all pie in the sky at the moment
It’s not at all. A British and Irish League is actually written into the CVC policy statement. 
Is this available to be seen anywhere?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2019 at 9:17am
Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

This has raised its head again in the press with O'Gara piping up.

We need this, we need an Anglo Welsh ideally. 

The WRU can't continue to sell rugby to the masses in Wales based on that debacle we saw at Rodney Parade, we need something fresh to take off and grip people from the start

The other games between the other regions are not exactly spectacles either, only die hard fans are bothered at the moment.

We need this change.

Although I'd like to see an Anglo-Welsh league - or indeed a British and Irish league - the derbies still draw bigger crowds, usually, than the other games - as this afternoon will show.

I don't agree, either, that pro-14 games are less attractive than those in the English league, which can just as easily be thud and blunder affairs... it all depends on the teams' styles, conditions etc...

Still - it would be good if something could come of this... maybe an NFL style format, with conferences or mini-leagues of four near rivals, plus games against other teams - as suggested by one poster - could be the way forward. That would protect the extra interest and crowds linked to derbies, and freshen things up as well with games against different opponents.
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I'd much rather read more in the press about things like the CVC deal, PRA and the PRB than things like the team of the decade or winners and losers from the weekend.
 
The only stuff out there about CVC seems to be the same article rewritten multiple times, it would be good to see some real digging into the background stuff going on in Welsh rugby, even things like the reporting of the Howley situation have been fairly bland, no-one is questioning what the union are doing to prevent things like it happening again or asking them why they were so slow to pick up on the issue, I've heard more praise for how quickly they chased the bolted horse than why they allowed it to bolt in the first place.
 
I get the media need short snappy stories that grab attention, but it would be nice for a new more detailed investigative stuff now and again.
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I think in the long term it would be great to see a joint Celtic/English (or similar) league.

About a year ago this video was posted on Reddit on this very subject. It's interesting to watch and covers - in brief - the thorny issue of promotion and relegation. 

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