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a back 3 of clayton mcnicholl and Williams is as quick as anything in the pro 14
 
of the team we had out Saturday I would reckon Cawdor is the quickest certainly over the first 20 yards or so
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

a back 3 of clayton mcnicholl and Williams is as quick as anything in the pro 14
 
of the team we had out Saturday I would reckon Cawdor is the quickest certainly over the first 20 yards or so

Which Williams you talking about or is it Steff Evans you mean?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Sosban bach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2018 at 12:39pm
Apparently shingler is the quickest over 100 lol!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote insidehalf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2018 at 12:46pm
I've heard (don't know how much truth is in it) that Tom Williams was told he was being released and has since gone awol. Maybe something in it as he's not playing and there's no mention of him on the injured list.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

a back 3 of clayton mcnicholl and Williams is as quick as anything in the pro 14
 
of the team we had out Saturday I would reckon Cawdor is the quickest certainly over the first 20 yards or so

Which Williams you talking about or is it Steff Evans you mean?
 
Williams the sevens player, I love stef as a player but he isn,t top end fast
 
I guess Varndell is the fastest now, shingle cubby and patch can all shift as well !


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To me, Varndell has lost a lot of the pace which he used to have, or the acceleration has gone which is just as important.
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Other than mcnicholl we have no other flyer in the three quarters. That is something that has to be addressed as on Saturday we did not look convincing outside as the players didn't have faith in their wide channell offensive. The brand we play is a joy to watch but the opportunities have to be finished by out and out wings. It is as specialised a position IMO as scrum half. When players out of position are thrown onto the wing it is patently clear too see it does not work.
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Originally posted by thommo thommo wrote:

Other than mcnicholl we have no other flyer in the three quarters. That is something that has to be addressed as on Saturday we did not look convincing outside as the players didn't have faith in their wide channell offensive. The brand we play is a joy to watch but the opportunities have to be finished by out and out wings. It is as specialised a position IMO as scrum half. When players out of position are thrown onto the wing it is patently clear too see it does not work.


In terms of fliers that has started to be addressed with the addition of Clayton (sorry I won't even attempt to spell his surname).
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:


a back 3 of clayton mcnicholl and Williams is as quick as anything in the pro 14
 
of the team we had out Saturday I would reckon Cawdor is the quickest certainly over the first 20 yards or so

I’m not sure that would quite match up to the Kings’ and Cheetahs’ Back 3. They might not be the best rugby players, but they have exceptional pace.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2018 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:


a back 3 of clayton mcnicholl and Williams is as quick as anything in the pro 14
 
of the team we had out Saturday I would reckon Cawdor is the quickest certainly over the first 20 yards or so

I’m not sure that would quite match up to the Kings’ and Cheetahs’ Back 3. They might not be the best rugby players, but they have exceptional pace.
 
Valid point but we have signed one of them, maybe well get the others next year LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2018 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

The first choice  Scarlets starting wingers for next season are probably already in place- Steff, McNicholl, and Clayton. Hassler would be only be used to boost the squad while our youngsters develop. How often would he play for Canada (and be unavailable) and how much would he cost are the two big questions that would have to be posed. Of our probable starters I think Clayton is pretty quick, but if we look at other teams use of wingers, and their use of kick and chase as a weapon to exert pressure  we just haven't got it. It's not just lack of pace on behalf of our boys but also generally very poor kicking to give our wingers a chance. Our box kicking against Leinster gave us no chance to retrieve the ball and plenty for Leinster to control exactly where on the field they wanted to put pressure on us next. Our tactical kicking wasn't even relieving the pressure on us let alone putting pressure on them. A lot of this was, of course, due to the superiority of the Leinster pack in the breakdown area, but by no means all of it.

Fair comments - the accuracy of our tactical kicking definitely needs to improve, as does the chase.

As for pace - Clayton and Mcnicholl are both quick, and Steff is very elusive, so all pretty useful - as Conbeer may be if he can develop. 
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Don't underestimate how fast Foxy is as well, deceptively quick when fully fit, especially over the first 20 yards or so.
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Originally posted by insidehalf insidehalf wrote:


I've heard (don't know how much truth is in it) that Tom Williams was told he was being released and has since gone awol. Maybe something in it as he's not playing and there's no mention of him on the injured list.


I have heard that too, probably why we haven’t seen him anywhere near the match 23 in recent weeks
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by insidehalf insidehalf wrote:


I've heard (don't know how much truth is in it) that Tom Williams was told he was being released and has since gone awol. Maybe something in it as he's not playing and there's no mention of him on the injured list.


I have heard that too, probably why we haven’t seen him anywhere near the match 23 in recent weeks

That's sad. I thought he'd done enough over the international periods when he hasn't been injured to warrant another year or two.
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Believe we missed a trick by not going for north, especially when he signed for our neighbours.
if we can see we are lacking pace, in sure the bobbing team does. Hope to see a few back 3 signings amongst others
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Want to sign a wing when you know he intercepts in our 22 he is not going to be caught and the opposition know this and dont even attempt to chase.
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