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How mulvihill is still in a job is beyond me the blues are rubbish . Ryan and booth both look decent, delaney started slowly  but is improving now and winning me over. Flannigan is the weak link for us i’d get rid tbh. I watch the bristol vs newcastle game lam is a superb coach i hope he replaces pivac 

And why is Pat Lam so well respected. He coaches the players to play the right way. He will say he has a good team around him and yes he probably does but the Bristol gameplan comes from Lam and involves using the ball efficiently. Of course he has made some superstar signings but he also has a lot of unsung guys mixed with young players in the squad and lives well within the salary cap rules. He would be my next coach for Wales if available. 

Lam is a good coach but it really does help to have south sea islander superstar game breakers in the backline. Stuck in a dreary defence dominated game? Radrada or Piutau will blow it open and mask all the failings of the team set up. 
That’s an excellent point.
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Connacht played some great rugby when they won the pro 14 under pat, they were hardly blessed with super stars tbh
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

we should appoint a national director of coaching to coach the coaches , someone like henry,hansen or Schmidt would be ideal for that role
 
I actually think Stuart Lancaster would be good at that as well
Considering his stint at England I’d say that’s the last role you’d want Stuart Lancaster in. What Leinster have done really well is have Leo Cullen there to deal with all the admin, management and press issues and let Lancaster do what he’s best at which is on field coaching. Unfortunately I don’t think we could match the squad depth or the salary he receives at Leinster!
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Connacht played some great rugby when they won the pro 14 under pat, they were hardly blessed with super stars tbh

Trouble is that year, they lost very few players to the Irish set up & IIRC they were in the challenge cup so perhaps didn't focus too much on that. Lam wouldn't have that luxury of not losing players to the national set up if he came here.
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Lam will give whatever team he coaches an identity and way of playing. He is not shy of reminding players of their responsibilities either. What he achieved with Connacht was the best example of a coach getting the best out of his players. 
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They beat the previously unbeaten Falcons last weekend.

Yep they had Redrdra and Piatau, but also lost 6 forwards to Covid and fielded a much changed and inexperienced pack, including a new front row.

Lam has something for sure.

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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

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We know the regional budgets are less than the Irish budgets, so it's not rocket science as to why we have who we have over here. The Irish teams have the likes of Contempomi, Larkham, Rowntree, Lancaster etc. Those coaches aren't at Welsh clubs because Welsh clubs can't afford their wages. It's no different to players. There's a reason the South African World Cup Winning centre went to Munster and not to a Welsh side.

You can't just decide to ignore finance. And shipping out a world class player or 2 to get a better coach in means your squad is weaker. It's all about finance, 9 times out of 10 a lower budget means you are not as good on the pitch.

Making your squad weaker for better coaching is not even a calculated gamble. How much have AWJ, Liam & Foxy actually contributed to their regions this season? For the Scarlets if finance is the issue then for instance lose Liam and replace him in the squad by Tom Rogers which would leave a substantial amount left over for a quality attack coach. At the moment we have two coaches for the backs - Flanagan & Whiffin - why??? Frankly on what I have seen they are not doing a very good job. 

Someone - Dic I think - during another string of dire performances some time ago suggested that my old friend Allan Lewis could do a decent short term job. One thing Allan would sort out from day one is the alignment & passing skills. My point is there are quality Welsh coaches available who could do better jobs than the current incumbents without breaking the budget. Surely Dai Young would do a better job than Mulhivill? Mark Jones ( wait for it) would now certainly do a better job than Flannagan/Whiffin.

Welsh rugby seems set on bringing back Welsh qualified players ( some with very tenuous links) but ignore talented Welsh coaches. Finally there is a lot of nonsense talked about how the game has changed blah, blah blah. Does any serious contributor really think that Benny & Jiffy would not transform our back play overnight??? How you may ask - by reinstating the old adage that it is the 10 who calls the shots in attack and plays what in front of them. Both would have longed for having the ball in their hands and would have given it back to the opposition as a final resort not as a matter of choice even off 1st phase ball. Carwyn would have have been looking at that performance against the Dragons on a perfect night for rugby and wondering what on earth happened to his beloved team. 
The game is unrecognisable to what I was when Benny played. Defences these days are so well coached and organised it’s far harder to open them up off first phase. 


That's something the Japanese don't appear to have taken on board
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Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

We know the regional budgets are less than the Irish budgets, so it's not rocket science as to why we have who we have over here. The Irish teams have the likes of Contempomi, Larkham, Rowntree, Lancaster etc. Those coaches aren't at Welsh clubs because Welsh clubs can't afford their wages. It's no different to players. There's a reason the South African World Cup Winning centre went to Munster and not to a Welsh side.

You can't just decide to ignore finance. And shipping out a world class player or 2 to get a better coach in means your squad is weaker. It's all about finance, 9 times out of 10 a lower budget means you are not as good on the pitch.

Making your squad weaker for better coaching is not even a calculated gamble. How much have AWJ, Liam & Foxy actually contributed to their regions this season? For the Scarlets if finance is the issue then for instance lose Liam and replace him in the squad by Tom Rogers which would leave a substantial amount left over for a quality attack coach. At the moment we have two coaches for the backs - Flanagan & Whiffin - why??? Frankly on what I have seen they are not doing a very good job. 

Someone - Dic I think - during another string of dire performances some time ago suggested that my old friend Allan Lewis could do a decent short term job. One thing Allan would sort out from day one is the alignment & passing skills. My point is there are quality Welsh coaches available who could do better jobs than the current incumbents without breaking the budget. Surely Dai Young would do a better job than Mulhivill? Mark Jones ( wait for it) would now certainly do a better job than Flannagan/Whiffin.

Welsh rugby seems set on bringing back Welsh qualified players ( some with very tenuous links) but ignore talented Welsh coaches. Finally there is a lot of nonsense talked about how the game has changed blah, blah blah. Does any serious contributor really think that Benny & Jiffy would not transform our back play overnight??? How you may ask - by reinstating the old adage that it is the 10 who calls the shots in attack and plays what in front of them. Both would have longed for having the ball in their hands and would have given it back to the opposition as a final resort not as a matter of choice even off 1st phase ball. Carwyn would have have been looking at that performance against the Dragons on a perfect night for rugby and wondering what on earth happened to his beloved team. 
The game is unrecognisable to what I was when Benny played. Defences these days are so well coached and organised it’s far harder to open them up off first phase. 


That's something the Japanese don't appear to have taken on board

Exactly Dic - current day defensive excellence is served up endlessly to justify an alarming drop in basic standards in rugby nowadays. The Japanese move the ball with speed and excellent basic skills - all the things missing from our recent performances. We need to stop making excuses for lack of ability and call it what it is - very poor coaching of the basics of the game. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

We know the regional budgets are less than the Irish budgets, so it's not rocket science as to why we have who we have over here. The Irish teams have the likes of Contempomi, Larkham, Rowntree, Lancaster etc. Those coaches aren't at Welsh clubs because Welsh clubs can't afford their wages. It's no different to players. There's a reason the South African World Cup Winning centre went to Munster and not to a Welsh side.

You can't just decide to ignore finance. And shipping out a world class player or 2 to get a better coach in means your squad is weaker. It's all about finance, 9 times out of 10 a lower budget means you are not as good on the pitch.

Making your squad weaker for better coaching is not even a calculated gamble. How much have AWJ, Liam & Foxy actually contributed to their regions this season? For the Scarlets if finance is the issue then for instance lose Liam and replace him in the squad by Tom Rogers which would leave a substantial amount left over for a quality attack coach. At the moment we have two coaches for the backs - Flanagan & Whiffin - why??? Frankly on what I have seen they are not doing a very good job. 

Someone - Dic I think - during another string of dire performances some time ago suggested that my old friend Allan Lewis could do a decent short term job. One thing Allan would sort out from day one is the alignment & passing skills. My point is there are quality Welsh coaches available who could do better jobs than the current incumbents without breaking the budget. Surely Dai Young would do a better job than Mulhivill? Mark Jones ( wait for it) would now certainly do a better job than Flannagan/Whiffin.

Welsh rugby seems set on bringing back Welsh qualified players ( some with very tenuous links) but ignore talented Welsh coaches. Finally there is a lot of nonsense talked about how the game has changed blah, blah blah. Does any serious contributor really think that Benny & Jiffy would not transform our back play overnight??? How you may ask - by reinstating the old adage that it is the 10 who calls the shots in attack and plays what in front of them. Both would have longed for having the ball in their hands and would have given it back to the opposition as a final resort not as a matter of choice even off 1st phase ball. Carwyn would have have been looking at that performance against the Dragons on a perfect night for rugby and wondering what on earth happened to his beloved team. 
The game is unrecognisable to what I was when Benny played. Defences these days are so well coached and organised it’s far harder to open them up off first phase. 


That's something the Japanese don't appear to have taken on board

Exactly Dic - current day defensive excellence is served up endlessly to justify an alarming drop in basic standards in rugby nowadays. The Japanese move the ball with speed and excellent basic skills - all the things missing from our recent performances. We need to stop making excuses for lack of ability and call it what it is - very poor coaching of the basics of the game. 
.....and defensive excellence is easier to achieve when the attack is comprised of slow men playing flat,looking to set up phases rather than find the space.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Connacht played some great rugby when they won the pro 14 under pat, they were hardly blessed with super stars tbh

Trouble is that year, they lost very few players to the Irish set up & IIRC they were in the challenge cup so perhaps didn't focus too much on that. Lam wouldn't have that luxury of not losing players to the national set up if he came here.
 
 
The alternative point of view is he had players not good enough to get in the irish test squad playing really good rugby
 
then he got the ba bas and Bristol who are full of top players playing really good rugby
 
That suggests to me basically he can coach players of all sorts of ability  to play really good rugby
 
Lam was a top player, and a great leader on the pitch who got respect from all he played alongside
 
It looks like he has been able to transfer that into his role as a coach, he is one with a huge future ahead of him
 
Wales should go and get him if we can


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As has rightly been said - what would Carwyn have thought ?!   Should have been welsh coach but those that knew better didn’t want him sadly.  He’d have revolutionised world rugby.  
Interesting point re Lancaster.  He’s a terrific coach - who’d demand the top money .
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Connacht played some great rugby when they won the pro 14 under pat, they were hardly blessed with super stars tbh

Trouble is that year, they lost very few players to the Irish set up & IIRC they were in the challenge cup so perhaps didn't focus too much on that. Lam wouldn't have that luxury of not losing players to the national set up if he came here.
 
 
The alternative point of view is he had players not good enough to get in the irish test squad playing really good rugby
 
then he got the ba bas and Bristol who are full of top players playing really good rugby
 
That suggests to me basically he can coach players of all sorts of ability  to play really good rugby
 
Lam was a top player, and a great leader on the pitch who got respect from all he played alongside
 
It looks like he has been able to transfer that into his role as a coach, he is one with a huge future ahead of him
 
Wales should go and get him if we can

Totally agree with you RR. If they haven't started talks already they need to get their act together.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Connacht played some great rugby when they won the pro 14 under pat, they were hardly blessed with super stars tbh

Trouble is that year, they lost very few players to the Irish set up & IIRC they were in the challenge cup so perhaps didn't focus too much on that. Lam wouldn't have that luxury of not losing players to the national set up if he came here.
 
 
The alternative point of view is he had players not good enough to get in the irish test squad playing really good rugby
 
then he got the ba bas and Bristol who are full of top players playing really good rugby
 
That suggests to me basically he can coach players of all sorts of ability  to play really good rugby
 
Lam was a top player, and a great leader on the pitch who got respect from all he played alongside
 
It looks like he has been able to transfer that into his role as a coach, he is one with a huge future ahead of him
 
Wales should go and get him if we can

Totally agree with you RR. If they haven't started talks already they need to get their act together.
Would you spend £750k a season on him?
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Connacht played some great rugby when they won the pro 14 under pat, they were hardly blessed with super stars tbh

Trouble is that year, they lost very few players to the Irish set up & IIRC they were in the challenge cup so perhaps didn't focus too much on that. Lam wouldn't have that luxury of not losing players to the national set up if he came here.
 
 
The alternative point of view is he had players not good enough to get in the irish test squad playing really good rugby
 
then he got the ba bas and Bristol who are full of top players playing really good rugby
 
That suggests to me basically he can coach players of all sorts of ability  to play really good rugby
 
Lam was a top player, and a great leader on the pitch who got respect from all he played alongside
 
It looks like he has been able to transfer that into his role as a coach, he is one with a huge future ahead of him
 
Wales should go and get him if we can

Totally agree with you RR. If they haven't started talks already they need to get their act together.
Would you spend £750k a season on him?

Where did that figure come from? If that is what he is on at Bristol then he is out of our reach. That sort of money is only earned by Fast Eddie as far as I am aware. Scott Robertson it is then. 
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Steve Lansdown is a very wealthy man. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Connacht played some great rugby when they won the pro 14 under pat, they were hardly blessed with super stars tbh

Trouble is that year, they lost very few players to the Irish set up & IIRC they were in the challenge cup so perhaps didn't focus too much on that. Lam wouldn't have that luxury of not losing players to the national set up if he came here.
 
 
The alternative point of view is he had players not good enough to get in the irish test squad playing really good rugby
 
then he got the ba bas and Bristol who are full of top players playing really good rugby
 
That suggests to me basically he can coach players of all sorts of ability  to play really good rugby
 
Lam was a top player, and a great leader on the pitch who got respect from all he played alongside
 
It looks like he has been able to transfer that into his role as a coach, he is one with a huge future ahead of him
 
Wales should go and get him if we can

Totally agree with you RR. If they haven't started talks already they need to get their act together.
Would you spend £750k a season on him?

Where did that figure come from? If that is what he is on at Bristol then he is out of our reach. That sort of money is only earned by Fast Eddie as far as I am aware. Scott Robertson it is then. 
Steve Lansdown is absolutely loaded. If I was a betting man I'd say Vern Cotter would replace Pivac if Wales got rid of him. 
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