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Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Pro12 - 2013/14

Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10413 10615 12125 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 7790
Dragons 8526 - 8500 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 6164
Ospreys 8656 8732 - 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 7920
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 - 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 7321



Pro12 - 2014/15
Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10900 12125 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 7567
Dragons 8486 - 7199 8500 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 6158
Ospreys 10821 7152 - 15732 8632 7557 6395 6010 10981 6340 6213 6545 8398
Scarlets 10195 7124 12301 - 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 7069

In the interest of fairness I've put the Judgement Day fixtures down as sellouts at the home teams respective grounds, 12k for Blues and 8.5k for Dragons.
 
the judgement day crowd was 52500, that should be split between blues and dragons so those games should count as 26250 each
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote minded Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2015 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the judgement day crowd was 52500, that should be split between blues and dragons so those games should count as 26250 each
That's going to completely skew the figures and boost their average unreasonably. Iow i'm not doing that.

But just for you Roy:

2014-15 Cardiff Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10900 26250 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 8851
Dragons 8486 - 7199 26250 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 7771


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Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.

Blues too ???
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2015 at 4:10pm
cheers minded...yes it does skew them, but those people paid for their tickets so it counts. made a heck of a difference to their overall average....when you include those figures do you know the overall average for regional rugby and is it close to moffetts magical 8000 target?

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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.

Blues too ???

hehe not with the new figures lol....
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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.

Blues too ???


Well, and the Dragons too, come to think of it.  But the Scarlets were certainly ONE of the regions showing a drop in attendance. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2015 at 5:15pm
Ok Ive tried to calculate total average crowds and aggregate crowds for the whole season for the league, for Europe and sum totals and averages for the 2 competitions combined. (excluded the lv cup, is that continuing?)


pro 12 league average crowds




              league 2015           2014        Europe 2015        2014          




blues                 8851           7790               5477               9947     

ospreys             8398           7920               7399               9037

dragons             7771           6164               5936(x4)        4853

scarlets              7069           7321               8244               7843










                   total aggregate crowds (exc lv cup) overall average crowds




                      2014            2015                          2014        2015




Blues            113792      115 531                        8128        8252   (up 124)

Ospreys        114231     114575                          8159       8184    (up 25)

Dragons        82363       109225                         5883       7282 (up 1399)

Scarlets        104060      102491                         7433       7321 (down 112)




total overall average 2015 is 7751 (still short of moffets 8000 average target)up 350 from 7401 in 2014


Crowds and general end of season report...

The judgement day made a huge impact. Overall these figures imo are actually far better than Id expected. The start of the season was drab dull and miserable. Endless arguments, political squabbles, no participation deal, no tv or European deals and several star names gone like foxy, halfpenny, hibbard etc. The games were dull the results not great. But come the spring, we have dodger and pickering going going gone and davies in place. All deals doen for tv, europe, wru participation , joint central contracts (the obvious solution Something I mentioned to eddie butler at stradey 10 years ago)

Crowds have grown, 12 star players have been signed up on ndc's, judgement day record pro 12 crowd of 52,500 was fantastic.

Results improved as did performances. Wales beat the boks for only the 2nd time ever, lead the all blacks after 70 minutes and of course threw it away again against the wallabies lol, then won 4 out of 5 in the 6 nations despite the English 2nd half nightmare, ended up 5th in the world...




Dragons made the European shield semi final, their crowds have gone up an incredible 1399 over the whole season.

Ospreys grew and grew and now make the pro 12 play off semi finals and Europe. Dare I say it I hope they win it, good boost for regional rugby imo

Weve been strange up and down but only lost 1 home game and made Europe for the 20th year in a row, not bad for a tinpot down eh lol?

Blues have been appalling .....but thanks to judgement day their crowds are actually up overall by 124? They've kept warburton geth Cuthbert...they have tom james cory allen due back...they need to build a side around them and imo keep patchell at 10

imagine what we could achieve with stability and no petty squabbling

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2015-16 Cardiff Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Season Average
Blues - 8203 34131 11720 5017 5321 5279 5824 5704 6058 5258 3658 5249 4602 5490 7965
Dragons 8226 - 6413 34131 5579 4303 4483 4128 4526 6352 4940 4159 4455 4202 4316 7158
Ospreys 9920 9247 - 12051 8107 7340 9923 7893 7239 7264 8455 7236 7968 8733 9479 8633
Scarlets 9546 6952 14568 - 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 8512 5767 6823 7291

Season attendance is down but our league attendance is better than last year:

Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre/Airioni Ospreys Dragons Cardiff Average
2008-09 8435 6436 6298 6041 6103 6302 - - 11444 7050 7610 7302
2009-10 6313 6075 6266 5023 5630 5540 - - 14739 6464 10171 7358
2010-11 9108 5142 5463 6436 7149 5857 6421 6123 13707 9671 11200 7843
2011-12 10741 8823 7075 7534 9869 6188 6594 6493 14756 7950 13047 9006
2012-13 7124 6559 7089 5886 6901 6314 9129 5757 14111 7863 10426 7924
2013-14 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 14796 6521 9046 7321
2014-15 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 12301 7124 10195 7069
2015-16 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 14568 6952 9546 7361


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Don't think that Blues and drags 34k should every be included,like all these silly aviva games at twickenham
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Originally posted by Mundoscarlet Mundoscarlet wrote:

Don't think that Blues and drags 34k should every be included,like all these silly aviva games at twickenham
 
Technically shouldn't it be 17k each as the attendance is split 4 ways?
 
 
I really can't comprehend the European attendances across all teams. Ours is a little embarrassing, it seems we have a lot of fans who won't pay to watch the best in the world but only turn up if they think we'll win.
 
 
Same goes for the blues and dragons. More people turn up to watch Treviso than European games against teams you wouldn't normally get to watch.


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We need to start competing for silverware to try and raise attendances. Our cupboards have been bare for far too long, and there is only so far that initiatives, incentives, PR and marketing will go before the effect that they have, starts to dwindle too. Shocked

We were pretty close this season with getting into the Top 4, and it would have given us a huge boost going into next season regardless if we'd have got to the final. We have to push even harder next season, it is the only way! Shocked
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I expect season ticket renewals to drop with families being forced to move to the west stand or pay an additional 110 quid to retain their current seats
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the region need to stop talking about finances for a while too. its a turn off for many fans and they wont garner much sympathy in a relatively deprived area. better promotion of the lats match and season tickets and more players doing some signings at the shop in the summer could help. also this eistefodd in town in july august is another great opportunity to promote ourselves to 100,000+ people over a week

using twitter and facebook more etc to promote all these events, are we maximizing these outlets? 
 
the valleys cast is attending town this week and people are actually paying £8 for the PRIVELIGE cough cough of metting these beauts. alas the younger generation love a bit of this hype and once it goes VIRRAL then everyone jumps on the bandwagon. It wouldnt surprise me if foxy and rob gog had a pie eating contest at the shop, if it got more online hits than the matches themselves. heck get gypo and easterby to lead a road to ammarrillo march from the shop the the parc....whatever ....if the natives want nonsense , sell nonsense....10 million people watch deadenders every night, if junk sells, sell junkWink
 
anythings better than rrw and wru squabbling over wonga zzzzzzzz
 
 

Gloucester R.F.C. did a walk around the city with fans, starting and finishing at Kingsholm and those who attended and raised money for charity got free tickets for a Northampton game. Wouldn't mind doing a "post to post" walk between the Berwick roundabout and Sandy Water Park. 
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Managed to forget to add to this last season, here's the regional home attendance figures for the last 5 years:

2013-14 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 10413 10615 15205 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 11573 6144 12125 8472
Dragons 8526 - 15205 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 4474 4023 6063 6362
Ospreys 8656 8732 - 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 12378 6385 8347 8159
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 - 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 8388 7591 7516 7430
2014-15 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 10900 26250 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 6267 5430 4733 8128
Dragons 8486 - 7199 26250 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 6119 3636 5571 7201
Ospreys 10821 7152 - 15732 8632 7557 6395 6010 10981 6340 6213 6545 7625 7164 7308 8177
Scarlets 10195 7124 12301 - 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 8235 7230 9267 7321
2015-16 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 8203 34131 11720 5017 5321 5279 5824 5704 6058 5258 3658 5249 4602 5490 7965
Dragons 8226 - 6413 34131 5579 4303 4483 4128 4526 6352 4940 4159 4455 4202 4316 7158
Ospreys 9920 9247 - 12051 8107 7340 9923 7893 7239 7264 8455 7236 7968 8733 9479 8633
Scarlets 9546 6952 14568 - 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 8512 5767 6823 7291
2016-17 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 11654 30321 9442 6546 8289 6010 4300 8024 4807 5693 4737 6960 7569 7223 8684
Dragons 5167 - 6746 30321 3841 4059 4877 4522 4809 4064 3904 4454 4126 4096 3544 6324
Ospreys 10860 9103 - 19514 8782 8102 8221 6669 7140 7684 6707 6509 7352 7039 6986 8619
Scarlets 10159 6358 13256 - 6107 6164 6593 5630 6059 6637 6080 5989 6521 8579 7491 7259
2017-18 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Benetton Zebre Cheetahs Kings Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Euro QF / SF P14 QF Average
Blues - 8178 31169 11700 6086 - 5763 5042 5374 6145 4782 5381 4703 - 5691 4974 7152 - 8010
Dragons 8722 - 5519 31169 - 6133 4477 5069 4159 4052 3779 - 4406 5299 3417 3949 4017 - - 6726
Ospreys 7489 7442 - 12093 7302 7816 - 8092 4362 - - 6826 3842 4673 7458 6947 9158 - - 7192
Scarlets 9003 9347 14509 - - 9108 6941 7693 10076 8088 8007 - - 9108 11479 6856 14476 15373 7105 9811


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Our league home game attendances

Pro14 Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre/Airioni Kings Cheetahs Ospreys Dragons Blues Average
2008-09 8435 6436 6298 6041 6103 6302 - - - - 11444 7050 7610 7302
2009-10 6313 6075 6266 5023 5630 5540 - - - - 14739 6464 10171 7358
2010-11 9108 5142 5463 6436 7149 5857 6421 6123 - - 13707 9671 11200 7843
2011-12 10741 8823 7075 7534 9869 6188 6594 6493 - - 14756 7950 13047 9006
2012-13 7124 6559 7089 5886 6901 6314 9129 5757 - - 14111 7863 10426 7924
2013-14 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 - - 14796 6521 9046 7321
2014-15 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 - - 12301 7124 10195 7069
2015-16 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 - - 14568 6952 9546 7361
2016-17 6107 6164 6593 5630 6059 6637 6080 5989 - - 13256 6358 10159 7185
2017-18 - 9108 6941 7693 10076 8088 8007 - 9108 - 14509 9347 9003 9188
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