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elmo761
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It never made sense for him to come to us. With Gareth and Kieran battling it out for the 9 jersey this would have been ludicrous.
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Mogwen
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To spend big money on a 32yr old where we have 2 quality SH, plus a selection of youngsters didnt make sense. Plus he didnt exactly light up the french league in his short time there.
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He’s best rugby is behind him. Cawdor is more explosive, better in defence and playing better rugby atm. Ospreys couldn’t say no really, but Webb would have been better off in the English premiership
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Good - we have two World class players Jonny and Dane. No need at all.
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GPR - Rochester
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Cawdor's defensive work is seriously underrated & Webb would have to go some to get back in the squad with Cawdor, Tomos, Rhodri, Kieran & Aled currently vying for 3 positions & Harry Morgan being hotly tipped by some to come into the equation sooner rather than later. Some of the Ospreys signings have been underwhelming with Ventner & Mackenzie bordering on the bazaar. Webb remains a class act & will improve the Ospreys which is the main concern as he will not command big bucks due to his situation. A sensible move for him considering his family issues which wouldn't be totally resolved by a move to an English club.
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PE SA
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another back for the ospreys then...its not rocket science that they need a pack and coaching team.
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GPR - Rochester
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If rumour is to be believed the head coaching role is Ruddock's to refuse.
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Gate12
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Would I be right in thinking that Ruddock hasn't coached a fully pro team since 2010?
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they have no defence coach, sherratt leaving...as good a signing Webb is for them, I cant help but think yet again, he's a signing they dont need.
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GPR - Rochester
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He has coached Wales lets not forget & Lansdowne would give a few in the pro 14 a run for their money!!!!! He will be looking to recruit a new head coach and attack coach. I, for one, hope he concentrates on Welsh talent as opposed to mediocre foreign imports.
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Legendinmybathroom
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Great news for the Ospreys who have recruited poorly for a number of seasons now.
He will certainly command the respect of the players within the squad and also the opposition back rows, something that Aled doesn’t do. It’s great for him and his family, Rhys is extremely close to his family and the past few months has been hard for all the Webb family. His dad is delighted that he’s coming back but gutted he’s losing his holiday home in the sun 🌞 in the next few months lol 😂. This may be the first building block needed in a very large building project required by the Ospreys. They need to plan for the future, Rhys’s return will be great initially, but he’s 31, AWJ is 34, they will not be around for long after their new contracts come to an end. Lydiate and Tipuric have also seen their best years behind them, Tips less so. Their front row is and has been a mess since the hair bear bunch finished, you can have a cracking back line but without a forward platform they can not function (and we know that from past experiences).
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You can also add Brad Davies i there, 33 shortly, and Lydiate has turned 32. Dan Baker made a long awaited comeback this season, but sadly he seems to have broken down again. As you say, their front row problems have really come home to roost this season. If the O's want to turn things around they need to reorganise their pack, and look to sign players that will be there for longer periods in the season. Moriarty is rumoured to be a target for them, again one must ask how much will they see of him ? |
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miaow
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Don't mind that attitude from a 9, Mike Phillips built a personality on it, but I think it's a bit unfair, and the Western Mail knows he's great clickbait, and they've happily used his obvious agony about missing out on Wales caps over the last 2 years to their advantage, which makes him look worse than he is. He's a good player who made a horrible career move at a time when he saw his region going to pieces. Toulon have capitulated since he joined - he probably thought he'd be playing Sarries in ECC finals, not down the bottom half of his league and in the second tier of Europe. And sacrificing a World Cup appearance as well (he was injured 4 years ago, wasn't he?). He'd be like Halfpenny I think - a bit strange to start with, not obviously part of the way we play, but his quality would shine through. That said, it's the right move for both parties. He's a sizeable step up on Aled Davies, who is probably going to struggle for Welsh caps in the near future given Webb, Cawdor, and Tomos Williams are all top quality, and then Rhodri Williams looks to be coming back to form. With Kieran Hardy looking 12-18 months away from being a top 9 who will flourish on the big stage as well, one thing we're not lacking in Wales is world class 9s, and I'm not sure Aled is one, unfortunately. Looks like a good coaches 9 in that he doesn't really improvise and sticks to the plan, but with Webb back, I can't see him starting the big games. Right move for the Ospreys. That core of their team just needs a top hooker to emerge from the 2 they have, or they need to sign one, and maybe a bruiser of a lock to go alongside AWJ, and if they keep Tipuric I think they're looking dangerous again.
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miaow
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I like Ruddock and think he's a good, honest, sensitive man, and those traits have probably hurt his career. 2005 feels a long, long time ago now, and ridiculous that it even happened, and feels like echoes of the amateur era with its lack of professionalism from the bottom to the top of the WRU. Those traits probably didn't help him then, and they are probably partly why he hasn't had a job in pro rugby since then, and why his son is playing for Ireland. In all honesty the game has changed so much in the last 15 years. It changes a lot in 2 years. The fact that the Ospreys are several weeks in to him being there - not coaching yet, but he has a role there - and still produced the performance they did against us would be a worrying sign, for me, if I were thinking about him long term. Fine, he's not the kind of short term coach who puts a boot up them and gets a quick turnaround that doesn't really last - but then is he the man to rebuild them long term? What would his actual job be? He has good knowledge of rugby structures, presumably, from involvement with Ireland at club and youth level, but is that relevant to the way club/regional rugby is? Hard to say. I like Ruddock, and would liked to have seen him back in Wales sooner, but I just think the job needed at the Ospreys is so deep - and presumably needs some real honesty to shift the people who have become comfortable with mediocrity, dishonesty, and failure - that maybe his best attributes aren't best suited to it. But maybe not. Who knows.
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