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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletabroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 12:04pm
Having purposely stayed away from the site after Saturday's match to calm down and reflect (something which a few members should have also perhaps done in hindsight) I am now elated to read the news that The Snake is finally slithering off to find a rock to hide under.
I hope that pain and pestulance follow him to the level of anguish and hurt that he has bestowed upon us as a club and fans.
I would like to say something pleasant about him but.........................................................I can't think of anything. Oh yes I have though of something
YOU HAVE MADE MY DAY ROGER!! Approve
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LLANDRE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 12:42pm
Yes they are probably getting funded. The days of big money being paid at a lower level has decreased significantly to what it used to be. I remember the days of Phil May etc going to Tenby and the big signing on fees players used to get to come back from first clubs to play at a lower level. It still goes on but not at the scale it used to be.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gate12 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 1:15pm
Odd comments from Gatland when he doesn't even know who the new CEO is, they may decide he's underpaid, underprotected, doesn't get the support he deserves and hasn't got a long enough contract for all he knows.
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new guy must be Mark Davies...the only sensible option IMO. 
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With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.



Edited by Rob o'r Bont - 25 February 2015 at 2:45pm
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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote salmidach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.


one of my fav poems, nicely changed....
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Had to be done. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.



quality mind you I think most fans would apply your poem to most departing wru bosses....grabmore and moffo were hardly universally loved lol

Edited by roy munster - 25 February 2015 at 4:21pm
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on the surface at national level you could argue hes done a pretty good job.......under his tenure...recruited a world class coach and assistant, 3 six nations titles, world cup semi, wins over the aussies and boks...strong under 20s ...improved facilities across pro rugby...debt reduction down to £14 million....dual contracts eventually went through after years of squabbling

under the surface...what about debenture debts? theres millions there that has to be repaid...the clubs have become poorer, the regions weaker, not sure if playing numbers have changed much? you could argue the wru debts have fallen partly because the funding to regional rugby has been so meagre.......
then how much credit should lewis get for this relatively successful era? or should it be shared with moffo and even Hansen and henry? who by hook or by crook demanded better facilities and regional rugby and more funding for the elite professional end of the game?

believe it or not when mr henry came here I recall he was utterly bemused with the fact a nation so rugby mad and with endless rain didn't have 1 indoor pitch in the whole country....
weve come a long way since then

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 7:11pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.



Just when you've been fed too much nonsense on Fever, something like this comes out of the blue. Excellent, worthy of crediting W H Auden rather than apologies.

If a building surveyor looked at the Lewis legacy, he'd be calling in the ground works experts to substantially reinforce the foundations of the professional game.
Any offence taken on board is only a literate/cy consequence. Every attempt at humour is just that. No personal insult intended. Standards lowered for trolls.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.



Just when you've been fed too much nonsense on Fever, something like this comes out of the blue. Excellent, worthy of crediting W H Auden rather than apologies.

If a building surveyor looked at the Lewis legacy, he'd be calling in the ground works experts to substantially reinforce the foundations of the professional game.
Have playing numbers gone up or down across wales in the past decade, im hoping you can save me the trouble from googling it
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.



Just when you've been fed too much nonsense on Fever, something like this comes out of the blue. Excellent, worthy of crediting W H Auden rather than apologies.

If a building surveyor looked at the Lewis legacy, he'd be calling in the ground works experts to substantially reinforce the foundations of the professional game.
Have playing numbers gone up or down across wales in the past decade, im hoping you can save me the trouble from googling it
Not sure I follow your banter roy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2015 at 2:02am
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

With apologies to W. H. Auden

Start all the clocks, pick up the telephone,
Tell all your friends that he has gone,
Silence the disco prank and with muffled drum
Restore the rugby atmosphere to the Milenium Stadium. 

Let aeroplanes circle rejoicing to the sun
Scribbling on the sky a new era has begun,
Put red bows round the white post of the touchline flags,
Let every player wear 'our game is saved' on their kit bags. 

He tried to ruin my North, my South, my East and West,
If he had his way, West wouldn't be Best,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
He tried to destroy it, and he was wrong.

The stars are needed now: put out every one;
Pick up the moon and restore the sun;
Pour out the champaign and sweep up the wood.
We can restore our game once more; and Wales can be good.



Just when you've been fed too much nonsense on Fever, something like this comes out of the blue. Excellent, worthy of crediting W H Auden rather than apologies.

If a building surveyor looked at the Lewis legacy, he'd be calling in the ground works experts to substantially reinforce the foundations of the professional game.
Have playing numbers gone up or down across wales in the past decade, im hoping you can save me the trouble from googling it
Not sure I follow your banter roy.

do you know if playing numbers across wales have risen or fallen during dodgers regime
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Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Gatland's comments regarding his future are very telling. There's no doubt that the cosy relationship that Lewis and the union had with the BBC and Western Mail deflected or diluted a hell of a lot of the criticism that would have ordinarily come Gatland's way.
Don't get me wrong, Gatland has, on the whole, been exceptionally successful, but if you accept the plaudits when things go right, you must also accept criticism when they don't. Compare him to an England football manager who is dealt with depending on how they have performed in the latest tournament and Gatland has got off easily.

I think that anyone - player, coach or even CEO ought to be judged on their entire record and not have the nice bits enhanced and the rest airbrushed away as has been the case with Roger Lewis. Yes, he reduced the debt but at a needless cost. Why be proud that you're overpaying the mortgage when you feed the family bread and water? Why be proud that the international team is winning a championship when your grass roots teams are going bust? Why be proud that you're developing world class players who then ply their trade in another country?



Agree 100% with your comments on Lewis. He could have been regarded as a great leader of the WRU - instead, he chose to pay the bankers instead of negotiating a method of providing rugby below national level with adequate funding.

As for Gatland - overall, he's done a good job for the national team. I feel, though - as I've said before - that most coaches reach a point where staleness creeps in and they become less effective. I don't think Gatland should be shipped out just because Lewis has gone though - it's a results business - if Wales do well in the rest of the 6N and RWC, then keep him. If not - see if the WRU can negotiate a severance package which is not too costly.

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Expecting a bit of context and balance from the media shouldn't be too much of an ask really, unfortunately in Wales though it is.
 
The sacking of Gareth Jenkins is seen as a required ruthlessness and something Roger had to do, no mention of the way in which it was done.
 
Then there's the genius of getting Gatland, grand slams and 6 nations titles are great achievements but should really be measured against the backdrop of where the players came from, the access Gatland got to them compared to his predecessors, the fact that Gatland got to pick his own backroom staff (Gyppo was given Rowland Phillips as defence coach) and has everything he wants. Also was it sensible to make him the best paid coach in the world on a 6 year deal? Was Roger the original deal maker? Would any other CEO have got his man?
 
Abbey's analogy of the debt sums it up, plus the debenture issues remain - wonder if anything came of the threat of legal action over the world cup tickets?
 
Things like awful TV contracts, failing to sell out the MS on countless occasions, making international tickets unaffordable to many, very harsh return ticket policies with local clubs, making grants extremely difficult for clubs to get their hands on (unless you're local club also happens to be Roger or Phillips local club), more EGM's than any reasonable company would expect, your Chairman getting the boot because as said by several clubs he was the nearest they could get to getting rid of Roger (didn't Paul Turner say we shouldn't rest until Roger goes too?), the restructuring shambles of the leagues, losing the BT sponsorship deal for the MS, 5punking millions on the hospitality refurb and 3 times as much as anyone else on a pitch, being a big part of the civil war in Welsh rugby, the whole 'dignified silence', the 'I don't do financials', the dig at Gerald, that BBC show shambles, I could go on, and on.
 
Anyway cracking job Roger, pick your highlights and we'll print 'em.
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