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Originally posted by dantheman dantheman wrote:

Francis and Roberts have both been linked to the Blues in the last 24 hours presumably on NDC.

Moriarty not coming to us.

Safe to say these NDC agreements are completely shafting us. The WRU clearly are prioritising the Ospreys and Blues, I hope our leadership are all over them like a rash.

Wouldn't add Blues in that comment to be honest as they only have Warburton and Anscombe currently. Francis...doesn't need to move does he. He's a forward. He is a prop. He will always be a wildcard as there is only him and Samson. It's the backs that are risking things with moving away / turning down a return. Can not see Roberts returning on a DC. He will be 31 next season. If he is to return to Cardiff, he will go there in full IMO. 
 
it's absolutely ridiculous though how we have:
Samson Lee
Jake Ball
Foxy

But Ken Owen, Rob Evans, Scott Williams, Liam Williams, Gareth Davies...All match day regulars, most starters, for Wales. All these players have recently signed new deals...and not cheaper deals either. 

Ospreys have:
Rhys Webb
Alun Wyn Jones
Dan Biggar
Bradley Davies
Dan Lydiate
James King
Scott Baldwin
Dan Baker
Rory Thornton
ones in bold i simply can not understand. 
When you have the likes of Rob Evs, Ken Owen (the Lions hooker for me) etc not on one! 
For the Ospreys starting line up - 60% are NDC players...and by that, obviously, only 40% of wages Ospreys are paying for majority of their line up. 

I don't get it! Does anybody? 

With East Wales Blues bound to happen, I see this side having a first 15 of NDC players...where the glut of Ospreys NDCs will end and offered to that controlled region. That's where I see things heading.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dai38 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2017 at 3:33pm
I would be interested to know for all squads:-

How many players in the squad
What is their wage bill
The split of DC's and others

It may show the relationship of the number of DC's in the squad, and the total number in the squad.

I have never liked DC's and getting fed up with them and the animosity it creates within the regions.
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Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

I would be interested to know for all squads:-

How many players in the squad
What is their wage bill
The split of DC's and others

It may show the relationship of the number of DC's in the squad, and the total number in the squad.

I have never liked DC's and getting fed up with them and the animosity it creates within the regions.

16 Players in total are on NDCs split like this:

Blues 2 - Sam Warburton / Gareth Anscombe
Dragons 2 - Tyler Morgan / Hal Amos 
Scarlets 3 - Samson / Jake / Foxy
Ospreys 9 - Webb / Biggar / AWJ / Bradley / Baldwin / Lydiate / Thornton / Baker / King

heavy tilt towards one side there with all their key players signed up on NDCs.




Edited by PE SA - 14 March 2017 at 9:52am
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James King is in a DC I believe..

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote supertaf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2017 at 5:21pm
Isn't Rhodri Jones still NDC with the O's as well? Can't think of any other reason why he's near the Welsh squad? Confused
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Baker isn't.
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I think if the blagons get the ndc us and the Os should approach the aviva and make that a 14 team league, we all know who they all would prefer to have week in week out and that's our regions
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote trident Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2017 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:


Isn't Rhodri Jones still NDC with the O's as well? Can't think of any other reason why he's near the Welsh squad? Confused

Don't think Rhodri's NDC was renewed when be crossed the river.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2017 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

I would be interested to know for all squads:-

How many players in the squad
What is their wage bill
The split of DC's and others

It may show the relationship of the number of DC's in the squad, and the total number in the squad.

I have never liked DC's and getting fed up with them and the animosity it creates within the regions.

16 Players in total are on NDCs split like this:

Blues 2 - Sam Warburton / Gareth Anscombe
Dragons 2 - Tyler Morgan / Hal Amos 
Scarlets 3 - Samson / Jake / Foxy
Ospreys 9 - Webb / Biggar / AWJ / Bradley / Baldwin / Lydiate / Thornton / Baker 

heavy tilt towards one side there with all their key players signed up on NDCs.



This shows very clearly what is wrong with the way the NDCs have been administered - I was in favour, but NOT if it means subsidising the Os at 3x the rate of the Scarlets.

No sane person could pretend that the Os have developed or are contributing 3x as many players to the national cause as the Scarlets - indeed, we had more starters, and more players in the 23, than the Os vs Ireland. This needs sorting, as it is bringing the system into disrepute.
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Originally posted by Mundoscarlet Mundoscarlet wrote:

I think if the blagons get the ndc us and the Os should approach the aviva and make that a 14 team league, we all know who they all would prefer to have week in week out and that's our regions
Why would the Aviva want the Welsh regions?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Why Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2017 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mundoscarlet Mundoscarlet wrote:

I think if the blagons get the ndc us and the Os should approach the aviva and make that a 14 team league, we all know who they all would prefer to have week in week out and that's our regions
Why would the Aviva want the Welsh regions?

Competition as their league only two teams can conceivably win it they would love to us and the Ospreys not sure about the blues and Dragons. With the money available us and the Ospreys would be competitive.
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Even though l have supported the Scarlets for around 55 years, l feel we are at leasr 6 players short of holding our owwn in the Aviva, and 10 to make a name for ourselves.
Sweeping statement l know but l feel its the truth.

Ospreys are only in a slightly better position though.
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Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

Even though l have supported the Scarlets for around 55 years, l feel we are at leasr 6 players short of holding our owwn in the Aviva, and 10 to make a name for ourselves.
Sweeping statement l know but l feel its the truth.

Ospreys are only in a slightly better position though.

Agree at moment we be mid table with the extra money available we be very competitive we better the Worcester Bristol Newcastle Sale Harlequins and Leicester Would put us on par with Northampton but below Exeter Wasps Saracens and Bath
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The future seems uncertain. It's a sad indictement of the situation in Wales that we are yet again fretting over this. The true intent of the WRU and other regions seems to be kept out of the light untill the deal is almost done. I do wonder exactly what the WRU want. I'm convinced it's to shut down the regions and run a small number of representative sides using centrally contracted players - East, West & North maybe.

I think I can predict one thing about the outcome with relative certainty .... it's going to get messy! Disapprove
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Baker isn't.
Is'nt he? Got info from here, an article dated May 2016:

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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Baker isn't.
Is'nt he? Got info from here, an article dated May 2016:



Interesting link from that article about Wasps receiving 125k from the WRU for Bradley to move to the Os. Money well spent, not, I would say...... Wasps laughing all the way to the bank.

I don't understand the Moriarty situation at all- I can understand him wanting to see out his contract at Glos, even extending it. I can understand us (and others) wanting him asap, but are  the WRU taing a view as well? If so why? And how does that relate to what they did with Bradley?

I've had a look at the No 8s on the Racing and |Stade books and I'm not sure I'd go for any of them. Masoe and Parisse are at the end of their careers and the rest really don't seem to be that outstanding. 
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