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Did anyone else watch the match?

Was impressed by Condy and thought Collins and the full-back (can't remember his name, sorry!) did well too. Elias's line-outs went awry with the wind, but he was excellent in the loose. The young lad at 6 who was captain was good too.

And watching Reggie's lad is really spooky, he's so much like him (and he tackled everything!)

The wind (and then the rain) made for terrible conditions, and obviously Bedford were going to win as they play together week-in, week-out. But I enjoyed having a look at what was really the Scarlets 'A' team.

  Pretty much spot on Judith ,also thought Josh Lewis and George Earle did well .In fairness Bedford were excellent a well drilled team who play together week in week out ,but the Scarlets boys could nt be faulted for effort and comittmment , with only George Earle aged over 24 years old in the  pack .The only way forward for all these young lads is more cross border games,as the Premiership is nt of the standard required .


Thank you! Which one was Josh Lewis? (Sorry!) Was good to see Pivac there too. For me, Earle did OK (but I'd expect him to at this level!) - nothing spectacular though (although obviously the weather was a factor.) Still not sure why he was playing for the 'A' team though - assuming he's either on the naughty step or the other locks are now ahead of him?

   Josh Lewis was at 10 the boy as been very unlucky with injury,I have no doubt he would really have kicked on  if he had stayed fit for a period of time ,great to seem him back and playing well 
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Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by judith judith wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by judith judith wrote:

Did anyone else watch the match?

Was impressed by Condy and thought Collins and the full-back (can't remember his name, sorry!) did well too. Elias's line-outs went awry with the wind, but he was excellent in the loose. The young lad at 6 who was captain was good too.

And watching Reggie's lad is really spooky, he's so much like him (and he tackled everything!)

The wind (and then the rain) made for terrible conditions, and obviously Bedford were going to win as they play together week-in, week-out. But I enjoyed having a look at what was really the Scarlets 'A' team.

  Pretty much spot on Judith ,also thought Josh Lewis and George Earle did well .In fairness Bedford were excellent a well drilled team who play together week in week out ,but the Scarlets boys could nt be faulted for effort and comittmment , with only George Earle aged over 24 years old in the  pack .The only way forward for all these young lads is more cross border games,as the Premiership is nt of the standard required .


Thank you! Which one was Josh Lewis? (Sorry!) Was good to see Pivac there too. For me, Earle did OK (but I'd expect him to at this level!) - nothing spectacular though (although obviously the weather was a factor.) Still not sure why he was playing for the 'A' team though - assuming he's either on the naughty step or the other locks are now ahead of him?

   Josh Lewis was at 10 the boy as been very unlucky with injury,I have no doubt he would really have kicked on  if he had stayed fit for a period of time ,great to seem him back and playing well 


Ah, ok - thanks!
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Havent seen this yet , but a hugely disappointing result.
We seemed to have a fair bit of talent, what went wrong?
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The side we had put I was expecting a lot more...conditions were poor but we didn't play them at all well...thought that Josh Lewis should have kicked more with the wind first half but just wanted to run the ball..going in at 7-6 down half time with the wind we were never going to win...Tom Phillips,Condy and Jack Jones played well...Jordan couldn't get into the game,Also Elias at hooker went well in the loose but lineouts struggled....Good to see Pivac and some of the boys there...
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Condy had good game, played  a bit like a certain No.8 we sold to Gloucs!  Needs work on his conditioning, could a job for us given time. 

Regan Jnr plays a very similar game to his dad, a little naïve in defensive positioning, but brave and also good support play.

Tom Phillips was solid, always looking for work, intelligent runner.

Ryan Elias was excellent in the loose, good ball carrier and like an extra flanker at the breakdown.  Lineout throwing let him down, but jumpers seemed a bit hesitant as well.

Scarlets looked like a team that had never played together before, lacked cohesion, terrible lineout, but largely bossed the scrum.  Good development opportunity, but these premiership development squads are going to find is difficult against club teams.
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Agreed Condy does remind me of the missile Morgan
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I was very disappointed with Josh Lewis. With that first half (not so much with missed penalties as even Biggar had trouble kicking in that wind but he should have had won us far more territory and positions to attack.  Jordan and king junior were total non-entities. On the positive side the young pack did well, particularly Condy, Jack Jones and the front row and Drovers' Will Thomas at 15 looked fast and ran intelligent  lines.
We picked a young experimental side who were playing their first match together against an experienced, hard-headed side in truly appalling weather and we clearly need more lineout practice before the next match at Bristol next Sunday.  Condy must be very close to a full Scarlets call-up next week.  
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Bedford are virtually a full time pro team and at the higher echelons of the Championship.

We put together a composite side with a few pro's, a stack of academy and development players, and a good local semi pro talent.

It's a way forward that I really applaud this. Many of those that took part will have probably just played their highest standard game of rugby to date...all that has to be good.

We will be very competitive in this new re-vamped B&I...great to see TV coverage too.

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The Scarlets team looked quite good for about 20 minutes, perhaps because Bedford knew nothing about them and took a while to adapt.  After that, the difference between a (semi-) professional team that plays and trains regularly together would - other things being equal - always result in defeat for the "scratch" outfit.  This probably isn't going to go down well with the likes of Pontypridd if it happens to the other Welsh scratch sides.  It is going to be hard to argue that a top Principality Premiership side wouldn't have done considerably better, and pose more of a challenge.  I fancy even the Drovers would have done a bit better, though I doubt they would have won it.  Let's hope the Scarlets put on a better show against Bristol (gulp!).

On the plus side, I agree it is good experience for our players provided they and their coaches recognise it for what it is.  I can't see Wales ever winning it, however.  Bedford thrashed "the Scarlets" in one of the pre-season friendlies, so the result can't have come as much surprise.
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Originally posted by judith judith wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by judith judith wrote:

Did anyone else watch the match?

Was impressed by Condy and thought Collins and the full-back (can't remember his name, sorry!) did well too. Elias's line-outs went awry with the wind, but he was excellent in the loose. The young lad at 6 who was captain was good too.

And watching Reggie's lad is really spooky, he's so much like him (and he tackled everything!)

The wind (and then the rain) made for terrible conditions, and obviously Bedford were going to win as they play together week-in, week-out. But I enjoyed having a look at what was really the Scarlets 'A' team.

  Pretty much spot on Judith ,also thought Josh Lewis and George Earle did well .In fairness Bedford were excellent a well drilled team who play together week in week out ,but the Scarlets boys could nt be faulted for effort and comittmment , with only George Earle aged over 24 years old in the  pack .The only way forward for all these young lads is more cross border games,as the Premiership is nt of the standard required .


Thank you! Which one was Josh Lewis? (Sorry!) Was good to see Pivac there too. For me, Earle did OK (but I'd expect him to at this level!) - nothing spectacular though (although obviously the weather was a factor.) Still not sure why he was playing for the 'A' team though - assuming he's either on the naughty step or the other locks are now ahead of him?
It was also good to see so many Scarlets players at the game especially after a late return from Northampton. Speaks volumes about the squad attitude this year.
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Bedford jumbo pack was the difference, condy stood out for us as did Elias in the loose but his throwing in was shaky (I thought Earle was quiet)
 
I rate Jordan but he looks as if his head is already elsewhere


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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Havent seen this yet , but a hugely disappointing result.
We seemed to have a fair bit of talent, what went wrong?

As others have said - basically, ours was a scratch side of players not used to being in the same team (plus young) - they were older and wiser, and played as a well drilled outfit. 

They used the wind far better. Their lineout worked - ours didn't. They were more coherent at the breakdown, and they ran better support lines as they were familiar with the team's pattern.

Considering all of that, the young Scarlets did OK (and maybe the score flattered Bedford a bit). Condy was my MoM for the home team; Elias was good in the loose - lineout problems maybe down to the wind and/or lack of practice as a pack. Our LH prop did OK. The rest, mainly, were a mixture of good and not so good. They'll get better with experience - this was a good lesson.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Havent seen this yet , but a hugely disappointing result.
We seemed to have a fair bit of talent, what went wrong?

As others have said - basically, ours was a scratch side of players not used to being in the same team (plus young) - they were older and wiser, and played as a well drilled outfit. 

They used the wind far better. Their lineout worked - ours didn't. They were more coherent at the breakdown, and they ran better support lines as they were familiar with the team's pattern.

Considering all of that, the young Scarlets did OK (and maybe the score flattered Bedford a bit). Condy was my MoM for the home team; Elias was good in the loose - lineout problems maybe down to the wind and/or lack of practice as a pack. Our LH prop did OK. The rest, mainly, were a mixture of good and not so good. They'll get better with experience - this was a good lesson.

   Excellent post aberfan,spot on with all of that .
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Originally posted by Dan the Drover Dan the Drover wrote:

The Scarlets team looked quite good for about 20 minutes, perhaps because Bedford knew nothing about them and took a while to adapt.  After that, the difference between a (semi-) professional team that plays and trains regularly together would - other things being equal - always result in defeat for the "scratch" outfit.  This probably isn't going to go down well with the likes of Pontypridd if it happens to the other Welsh scratch sides.  It is going to be hard to argue that a top Principality Premiership side wouldn't have done considerably better, and pose more of a challenge.  I fancy even the Drovers would have done a bit better, though I doubt they would have won it.  Let's hope the Scarlets put on a better show against Bristol (gulp!).

On the plus side, I agree it is good experience for our players provided they and their coaches recognise it for what it is.  I can't see Wales ever winning it, however.  Bedford thrashed "the Scarlets" in one of the pre-season friendlies, so the result can't have come as much surprise.



It's going to be interesting to see how it rolls out, and the success of this re-vamped competition depends on a number of factors...e.g. Bedford took it as a serious match day work out playing most (maybe all) of their first team...Yorkshire Carnegie too...Bristol on the other hand (who lost 35-5 to Ulster A) effectively put out a Bristol A team...not going to help the tournament at all that in my view.

I have no doubt that the likes of Drovers and Ponty, maybe one or two others, (with the regions players added of course) could still continue to hold their own for now...but to my mind this tournament should/needs to move beyond that level and be a clear stepping stone to a B&I A league.





No doubt that the top end of the championship teams
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