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    Posted: 19 December 2014 at 9:42am
Saracens have issued a statement from their CEO Edward Griffiths calling for the PRL Salary Cap to be dropped, claiming that it's done its job & will result in a 2nd rate, lowest common denominator league if allowed to remain. Says that 7 PRL clubs are behind it, with a narrow window of opportunity given by RWC15 in England & the adoption of Sevens at the Brazilympics.

@Saracens: CEO Edward Griffiths:
“The salary cap has served its purpose...It’s time to seize a golden opportunity to grow the game". #ScrapTheCap

http://goo.gl/9fCAGQ

Top14 signings are clearly rattling a few ambitious English clubs.


Edited by NobbySosban - 19 December 2014 at 9:44am
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KID A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2014 at 11:46am
Agree with him really. If private businesses are regulated where their competitors aren't then it undermines those businesses. I doubt they'll scrap the cap but raising it substantially makes sense.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NobbySosban Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2014 at 12:48am
Now it transpires that Sarries (& Bath) are to be investigated for breaching the current salary cap. Makes the timing of Ed's statement interesting...

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2881134/Saracens-Bath-face-heavy-fines-point-deductions-alleged-breaches-salary-cap-regulations.html

Saracens and Bath face heavy fines and point deductions over alleged breaches of salary cap regulations
Saracens and Bath are being investigated by Premier Rugby
Both sides are facing heavy fines and point deductions
They are alleged to have broken salary cap regulations
Saracens indicated they have the backing of six other Premiership clubs
But a Sportsmail investigation failed to find significant support

Saracens and Bath are being investigated by Premier Rugby for alleged breaches of the controversial salary cap system which could see them hit with hefty points deductions and fines.
Sportsmail has learned an inquiry is under way following ‘whistleblower’ testimony. It appears to substantiate allegations that clubs are flouting rules aimed at maintaining financial stability among top-flight teams.
Saracens, backed by a consortium of South African-based businesses, mounted a pre-emptive public relations campaign calling for the abolition of the £5.5million annual cap. They claim it is ‘outdated’ and ‘possibly illegal’.

But it has emerged a whistleblower — understood to be a disgruntled player’s agent — has complained to Premier Rugby’s recently appointed salary-cap auditors about the way Saracens structure payments to overseas players.
Under scrutiny is how Saracens’ South African players are recompensed, with allegations that payments are routinely made into offshore accounts to avoid the cap.
‘Saracens have been backed into a corner and that’s why they’ve come out and said what they’ve said at this particular time,’ said one source. ‘A whistleblower has dished the dirt. It could be messy.’
The investigation into Saracens is also understood to focus on the deal to bring the former Scotland lock Jim Hamilton to Allianz Park.

Bath have drawn attention because of a number of recent big-money offers made to transfer targets, including Wales and Scarlets fly-half Rhys Priestland and South Africa back-row star Duane Vermeulen.
The recommended sanctions for breaches of the cap are severe. Clubs found guilty of exceeding it by £75,000 face a four-point deduction, but that figures rises to a maximum of 40 points for a breach of more than £250,000.
There are possible fines of £3 for every £1 over the cap, rising to £10 per £1 for a third offence, which could see a club incur a potentially crippling £2.5m fine for breaches of over £250,000.
The scale of the alleged breaches is yet to be established.

A Premiership Rugby spokesman said: ‘Premiership Rugby cannot comment on whether investigation proceedings are taking place or not. Any such investigation would be done under the salary capping regulations 2013-14.’
Saracens indicated they have the backing of six other Aviva Premiership clubs — although a Sportsmail investigation failed to find significant support. Saracens, widely viewed as a commercial pioneer for English professional rugby, have long since objected to the salary cap.
The London club believe the cap is a restraint of trade. They say it hampers clubs’ ability to compete with rich French giants like Toulon and Racing Metro — who this week signed All Black Dan Carter on a deal worth around £800,000 per season.

Bath have received huge financial backing from their new millionaire owner Bruce Craig in recent seasons.
‘The salary cap has served its purpose,’ said Saracens chief executive Edward Griffiths.
‘It would be a pity if the world’s top players light up the World Cup on English soil and then leave to play club rugby in France.
'If the salary cap is left to forbid the required investment, it will kill any hope of growth.’
A Premier Rugby statement read: ‘The salary cap ensures the financial viability of the member clubs and underpins the sustainable growth of the competition for all stakeholders.
‘In addition, the salary cap provides a level playing field for all clubs, ensures a competitive Aviva Premiership Rugby competition, promotes homegrown players and supports the performance of the England team.
‘It allows the recruitment of elite players from other countries through the excluded players provision.’
Saracens’ claim that they have significant support appeared unfounded.

Exeter chief executive Tony Rowe said: ‘We believe at Exeter that the salary cap should be higher than it is but we don’t think it should be abolished. We’d support it being raised to around £7.5-£8m to put us on a par with a lot of the French clubs.’
Leicester, whose 24,000-capacity Welford Road stadium and large fan-base sees them generate the highest revenues from ticket sales in the Premiership, also appear to be against an abolition.
A club insider said: ‘The club is already stretched to the maximum by paying up to the salary cap. There’s no appetite to abolish the cap. It would be disastrous for Tigers.’
Harlequins distanced themselves from Saracens while Wasps are understood to have told Premier Rugby they have no interest in scrapping the cap.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Iwlew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2014 at 11:09am
It seems that everyone is complaining about a wage cap apart from the ones suffering the most, the Welsh regions
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletabroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2014 at 10:59pm
This puts the Dan Carter wage into perspective
Top 10 earners in the world of rugby are all in France Carter being top man £800,00 - £1000,000 depending which paper you read
The Aviva top 10
Nick Evans - Quins= 320,000
Burgess - Bath= 300,000
Haskell - Wasps= 280,000
Hartley - Saints= 250,000
Robshaw - Quins
Tuilagi - Tigers
Ashton Sarries
Care - Quins
Cipriani - Sale
Launchbury - Wasps= 230,000
North - Saints= 230,000
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletnut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2014 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

This puts the Dan Carter wage into perspective
Top 10 earners in the world of rugby are all in France Carter being top man £800,00 - £1000,000 depending which paper you read

The Aviva top 10

Nick Evans - Quins= 320,000

Burgess - Bath= 300,000

Haskell - Wasps= 280,000

Hartley - Saints= 250,000

Robshaw - Quins

Tuilagi - Tigers

Ashton Sarries

Care - Quins

Cipriani - Sale

Launchbury - Wasps= 230,000

North - Saints= 230,000

 

 
John Afoa is the highest paid player in the Aviva Premiership. Well according to the New Zealand Herald anyway

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11366458

Edited by scarletnut - 20 December 2014 at 11:37pm
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ladram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2014 at 8:12am
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

This puts the Dan Carter wage into perspective
Top 10 earners in the world of rugby are all in France Carter being top man £800,00 - £1000,000 depending which paper you read

The Aviva top 10

Nick Evans - Quins= 320,000

Burgess - Bath= 300,000

Haskell - Wasps= 280,000

Hartley - Saints= 250,000

Robshaw - Quins

Tuilagi - Tigers

Ashton Sarries

Care - Quins

Cipriani - Sale

Launchbury - Wasps= 230,000

North - Saints= 230,000

 

 

I would hazard a guess that the welsh players who re-signed with regions are on similar ammounts to the middle earners in that list
30th june 1986- 30th june 2011.25 years roofing,i wouldn't call that dodgy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletabroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2014 at 9:27pm
I was surprised to Cipriani's wage to be honest espeacially with the baggage he came with and the bus incident etc.
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