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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

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I have no idea what 'heads of terms' are - some legal formula, presumably? Maybe someone can explain that one...



Basically a non binding set of guidelines that surround the sale/takeover or merger of entities.

Thank you - so, nothing to prevent the Os changing their minds, then. (As I said before, I'd prefer to send the Drags up to Gog-land than the Ospreys!)


Exactly right my friend.

The WRU could easily look at merging dragons / RGC....They hold all the cards and they also have the WAG money on offer for RGC. Whether the whole £12 million would still be available if its a merged north wales region is moot point
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

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Its very thin on detail , names, where wed play ALL games, colours, names etc heads of terms is some kind of legal term for a proposed agreement.. Im staggered they not only considered it but how quickly it seemed to get agreed and how they actually thought fans of the regions would have been happy with it? not to forget losing our rivalry, local derby matches and perhaps half our home games?


There's no need to release the whole detail as it won't serve anyone well. For example they (Ospreys) won't want their fans knowing the ins & outs of what they were willing to give up as they still need their support for whatever is coming.

I have faith that our board will have had our best interests are the forefront of any negotiations.

I disagree. basic info about where wed play what wed be called colours etc is absolutely critical. 


The heads of terms would have, in all probability, had these details however seeing as the move was called off by the Ospreys they won't be released to the public unless it is leaked or someone says "this was the plan"....

As the merger/takeover isn't happening then there is no need for the fans etc to know about it.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

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Its very thin on detail , names, where wed play ALL games, colours, names etc heads of terms is some kind of legal term for a proposed agreement.. Im staggered they not only considered it but how quickly it seemed to get agreed and how they actually thought fans of the regions would have been happy with it? not to forget losing our rivalry, local derby matches and perhaps half our home games?


There's no need to release the whole detail as it won't serve anyone well. For example they (Ospreys) won't want their fans knowing the ins & outs of what they were willing to give up as they still need their support for whatever is coming.

I have faith that our board will have had our best interests are the forefront of any negotiations.

I disagree. basic info about where wed play what wed be called colours etc is absolutely critical. 


The heads of terms would have, in all probability, had these details however seeing as the move was called off by the Ospreys they won't be released to the public unless it is leaked or someone says "this was the plan"....

As the merger/takeover isn't happening then there is no need for the fans etc to know about it.

Lets hope the fans find out as that information is critical. especially if this nightmare scenario ever rears its head again
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 March 2019 at 2:33pm
That's fair enough - as it's not happening (ATM anyway), no real need to know about it.

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As someone said on another thread, there would have been a confidentiality clause both Os and us signed re the Heads of Agreement and if any of our lot blurted out the details then the Os Board would no doubt pursue legal action. So we will just have to trust our Board (which I do) until such time as the details get leaked out (which they will do I'm sure)
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It does beg the question as to what else is on the proverbial table....
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The word merger would have seen a lot of supporters peed of and refuse to attend, if it was announced as a takeover then maybe it would have been different. It over with now hopefully, lets just concentrate on reaching 2nd and getting a home QF in the Pro 14.

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Its not over unfortunately in the sense that we are not any further forward with the project reset. Even if the new Os chairman has had a change of heart about funding the Os and they are secure for the next few seasons (about as long as any of the regions can guarantee to still be going), they have upset so many people that there are bound to be further delays. Incidentally they will also have upset all their trading partners, the sponsors, the stadium owner, everybody.

And these delays are beginning to get critical now-re-signing players, new commercial deals etc. So the next PRG meeting could be a bit strained to say the least.
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Originally posted by John John wrote:

Its not over unfortunately in the sense that we are not any further forward with the project reset. Even if the new Os chairman has had a change of heart about funding the Os and they are secure for the next few seasons (about as long as any of the regions can guarantee to still be going), they have upset so many people that there are bound to be further delays. Incidentally they will also have upset all their trading partners, the sponsors, the stadium owner, everybody.

And these delays are beginning to get critical now-re-signing players, new commercial deals etc. So the next PRG meeting could be a bit strained to say the least.

The other regions have also had their plans put on hold and potential players have left because this isnt sorted. We need Jonny M and a few others to sign otherwise we are stuck.
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Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

Its not over unfortunately in the sense that we are not any further forward with the project reset. Even if the new Os chairman has had a change of heart about funding the Os and they are secure for the next few seasons (about as long as any of the regions can guarantee to still be going), they have upset so many people that there are bound to be further delays. Incidentally they will also have upset all their trading partners, the sponsors, the stadium owner, everybody.

And these delays are beginning to get critical now-re-signing players, new commercial deals etc. So the next PRG meeting could be a bit strained to say the least.

The other regions have also had their plans put on hold and potential players have left because this isnt sorted. We need Jonny M and a few others to sign otherwise we are stuck.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Its very thin on detail , names, where wed play ALL games, colours, names etc heads of terms is some kind of legal term for a proposed agreement.. Im staggered they not only considered it but how quickly it seemed to get agreed and how they actually thought fans of the regions would have been happy with it? not to forget losing our rivalry, local derby matches and perhaps half our home games?


There's no need to release the whole detail as it won't serve anyone well. For example they (Ospreys) won't want their fans knowing the ins & outs of what they were willing to give up as they still need their support for whatever is coming.

I have faith that our board will have had our best interests are the forefront of any negotiations.

I disagree. basic info about where wed play what wed be called colours etc is absolutely critical. 


The heads of terms would have, in all probability, had these details however seeing as the move was called off by the Ospreys they won't be released to the public unless it is leaked or someone says "this was the plan"....

As the merger/takeover isn't happening then there is no need for the fans etc to know about it.

Lets hope the fans find out as that information is critical. especially if this nightmare scenario ever rears its head again
 

Its not critical is it? It is not happening. If we had agreed to give away games to Swansea, and it has already been released that one of the Ospreys major issues is the rental of the Liberty making this very unlikely and that we had agreed to dilute/half the brand Ospreys would of bitten our hand off. Please realise that as an entity they are in serious serious trouble. We held all the leverage here and it would of been used.
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Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Its very thin on detail , names, where wed play ALL games, colours, names etc heads of terms is some kind of legal term for a proposed agreement.. Im staggered they not only considered it but how quickly it seemed to get agreed and how they actually thought fans of the regions would have been happy with it? not to forget losing our rivalry, local derby matches and perhaps half our home games?


There's no need to release the whole detail as it won't serve anyone well. For example they (Ospreys) won't want their fans knowing the ins & outs of what they were willing to give up as they still need their support for whatever is coming.

I have faith that our board will have had our best interests are the forefront of any negotiations.

I disagree. basic info about where wed play what wed be called colours etc is absolutely critical. 


The heads of terms would have, in all probability, had these details however seeing as the move was called off by the Ospreys they won't be released to the public unless it is leaked or someone says "this was the plan"....

As the merger/takeover isn't happening then there is no need for the fans etc to know about it.

Lets hope the fans find out as that information is critical. especially if this nightmare scenario ever rears its head again
 

Its not critical is it? It is not happening. If we had agreed to give away games to Swansea, and it has already been released that one of the Ospreys major issues is the rental of the Liberty making this very unlikely and that we had agreed to dilute/half the brand Ospreys would of bitten our hand off. Please realise that as an entity they are in serious serious trouble. We held all the leverage here and it would of been used.

you make us sound like jr ewing
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it says im western mail that the union have instructed the regions not to finalise any contracts for next season,think the regions should tell them to fork off.
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well blues have haven't they! we need to announce our re-signed players now. get on with things

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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

it says im western mail that the union have instructed the regions not to finalise any contracts for next season,think the regions should tell them to fork off.
 

This situation is chaotic enough without the Fail sticking their ore in!! I thought i'd read somewhere that budgets had been finalised in January and then the Ospreys started panicking and they were delayed because of this. Surely we just go back to that now. If the Ospreys go pop so be it.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Its very thin on detail , names, where wed play ALL games, colours, names etc heads of terms is some kind of legal term for a proposed agreement.. Im staggered they not only considered it but how quickly it seemed to get agreed and how they actually thought fans of the regions would have been happy with it? not to forget losing our rivalry, local derby matches and perhaps half our home games?


There's no need to release the whole detail as it won't serve anyone well. For example they (Ospreys) won't want their fans knowing the ins & outs of what they were willing to give up as they still need their support for whatever is coming.

I have faith that our board will have had our best interests are the forefront of any negotiations.

I disagree. basic info about where wed play what wed be called colours etc is absolutely critical. 


The heads of terms would have, in all probability, had these details however seeing as the move was called off by the Ospreys they won't be released to the public unless it is leaked or someone says "this was the plan"....

As the merger/takeover isn't happening then there is no need for the fans etc to know about it.

Lets hope the fans find out as that information is critical. especially if this nightmare scenario ever rears its head again
 

Its not critical is it? It is not happening. If we had agreed to give away games to Swansea, and it has already been released that one of the Ospreys major issues is the rental of the Liberty making this very unlikely and that we had agreed to dilute/half the brand Ospreys would of bitten our hand off. Please realise that as an entity they are in serious serious trouble. We held all the leverage here and it would of been used.

you make us sound like jr ewing
 

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