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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

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Originally posted by Pentigili Pentigili wrote:

I thought Leigh carried as much as any of our backs tonight  and if you annalyse the yardage he probably made more.

Of course he did,he plays full-back and Glasgow kicked a lot.
He didn’t cost us the game 🤨

Glasgow kicked poorly,too.
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Halfpenny and Kalamafoni were the top 2 for metres made. Kalamafoni on top with 67, Leigh with 64. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers both in the 40s. Steff in the 30s... Everyone else below 10m. Seeing Halfpenny and Kalamafoni come in for some unnecessary stick. 

I'd like to see Costellow or Angus have a crack at 10 next week. 
A back line of Blacker, Costellow, SteffE, Hughes, Tyler, Conbeer, Rogers for me next week.
Pack of Rob Evs, Daf Hughes, Kruger, Tex, Rawlins, Kennedy, Cubby, Kalamafoni. 
Bench of Price, Jones, Sebastien, Helps, Morgan, Homer, Dan, Asquith. 
Going to be tough in Italy without everyone. 
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Halfpenny and Kalamafoni were the top 2 for metres made. Kalamafoni on top with 67, Leigh with 64. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers both in the 40s. Steff in the 30s... Everyone else below 10m. Seeing Halfpenny and Kalamafoni come in for some unnecessary stick. 

I'd like to see Costellow or Angus have a crack at 10 next week. 
A back line of Blacker, Costellow, SteffE, Hughes, Tyler, Conbeer, Rogers for me next week.
Pack of Rob Evs, Daf Hughes, Kruger, Tex, Rawlins, Kennedy, Cubby, Kalamafoni. 
Bench of Price, Jones, Sebastien, Helps, Morgan, Homer, Dan, Asquith. 
Going to be tough in Italy without everyone. 

A few years ago we were making that kind of yardage in the space of a few moves.We have short memories,sometimes
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I was thinking during the week how our greatest rugby was played sometimes with Dan at 10 and Patchell 15.

I would like to see that again. 

The Scarlet way is nothing without an attacking threat from 15.

As good as HP is, he doesnt offer that attacking threat from deep.  Seriously limiting us. 
He would be the first name on my team sheet every game. He's worth his weight in gold.

He won't be fully appreciated until he isn't there.
he is a great goal kicker great defensive 15 but poor im attack. First name on team sheet? When  patchell is fit at 10 and liam and jonny mac are fit i wouldn’t even have halfpenny in the team tbh, just my view though i think delaney thinks in a similar way to you regarding halfpenny
He is absolutely not poor in attack. Would he have achieved all he has if he was poor in attack? It’s not just Delaney who thinks in a similar way it’s every coach whose ever coached him 
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Halfpenny and Kalamafoni were the top 2 for metres made. Kalamafoni on top with 67, Leigh with 64. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers both in the 40s. Steff in the 30s... Everyone else below 10m. Seeing Halfpenny and Kalamafoni come in for some unnecessary stick. 

I'd like to see Costellow or Angus have a crack at 10 next week. 
A back line of Blacker, Costellow, SteffE, Hughes, Tyler, Conbeer, Rogers for me next week.
Pack of Rob Evs, Daf Hughes, Kruger, Tex, Rawlins, Kennedy, Cubby, Kalamafoni. 
Bench of Price, Jones, Sebastien, Helps, Morgan, Homer, Dan, Asquith. 
Going to be tough in Italy without everyone. 
Sebastian over Kruger who isn’t a great scrummager 
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

I was thinking during the week how our greatest rugby was played sometimes with Dan at 10 and Patchell 15.

I would like to see that again. 

The Scarlet way is nothing without an attacking threat from 15.

As good as HP is, he doesnt offer that attacking threat from deep.  Seriously limiting us. 
He would be the first name on my team sheet every game. He's worth his weight in gold.

He won't be fully appreciated until he isn't there.
he is a great goal kicker great defensive 15 but poor im attack. First name on team sheet? When  patchell is fit at 10 and liam and jonny mac are fit i wouldn’t even have halfpenny in the team tbh, just my view though i think delaney thinks in a similar way to you regarding halfpenny
He is absolutely not poor in attack. Would he have achieved all he has if he was poor in attack? It’s not just Delaney who thinks in a similar way it’s every coach whose ever coached him 
 
 
correction he wasn't poor in attack , when he first broke into senior rugby he was a nippy try scoring winger now he is a defensive 15
 
The game is not all about attack though as I said he is a great goal kicker, has great positional awareness and is excellent under the high ball so I can see why coaches pick him and yes he has had a great career
 
But let's kid ourselves he is  limited in  attack  at the moment , tell me the last time you saw him come into the back line and make a break, our launch a counter attack and beat a few men?
 
I can't really recall him doing that for region or country for ages. It's not personal and it doesn't mean he is  finished but he is coming much more of an defensive 15 than an attacking one and has been for the last few years now.
 
 
I dare say pivac will pick him to play vs france though but once liam is fully fit it will be a tight call, for sure wales don't need biggar and halfpenny in the same team


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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Halfpenny and Kalamafoni were the top 2 for metres made. Kalamafoni on top with 67, Leigh with 64. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers both in the 40s. Steff in the 30s... Everyone else below 10m. Seeing Halfpenny and Kalamafoni come in for some unnecessary stick. 

I'd like to see Costellow or Angus have a crack at 10 next week. 
A back line of Blacker, Costellow, SteffE, Hughes, Tyler, Conbeer, Rogers for me next week.
Pack of Rob Evs, Daf Hughes, Kruger, Tex, Rawlins, Kennedy, Cubby, Kalamafoni. 
Bench of Price, Jones, Sebastien, Helps, Morgan, Homer, Dan, Asquith. 
Going to be tough in Italy without everyone. 
Sebastian over Kruger who isn’t a great scrummager 
I feel Kruger offers much more. Just don't see anything in Sebastian at all. It's worrying over next few months havi g Sebastian and Kruger as options. One injury and in steps O'connor from the academy. A definite area that we need to bolster when we can. 
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Kruger's work rate is amazing for a prop. Never been a great scrummager though.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

I was thinking during the week how our greatest rugby was played sometimes with Dan at 10 and Patchell 15.

I would like to see that again. 

The Scarlet way is nothing without an attacking threat from 15.

As good as HP is, he doesnt offer that attacking threat from deep.  Seriously limiting us. 
He would be the first name on my team sheet every game. He's worth his weight in gold.

He won't be fully appreciated until he isn't there.
he is a great goal kicker great defensive 15 but poor im attack. First name on team sheet? When  patchell is fit at 10 and liam and jonny mac are fit i wouldn’t even have halfpenny in the team tbh, just my view though i think delaney thinks in a similar way to you regarding halfpenny
He is absolutely not poor in attack. Would he have achieved all he has if he was poor in attack? It’s not just Delaney who thinks in a similar way it’s every coach whose ever coached him 
 
 
correction he wasn't poor in attack , when he first broke into senior rugby he was a nippy try scoring winger now he is a defensive 15
 
The game is not all about attack though as I said he is a great goal kicker, has great positional awareness and is excellent under the high ball so I can see why coaches pick him and yes he has had a great career
 
But let's kid ourselves he is  limited in  attack  at the moment , tell me the last time you saw him come into the back line and make a break, our launch a counter attack and beat a few men?
 
I can't really recall him doing that for region or country for ages. It's not personal and it doesn't mean he is  finished but he is coming much more of an defensive 15 than an attacking one and has been for the last few years now.
 
 
I dare say pivac will pick him to play vs france though but once liam is fully fit it will be a tight call, for sure wales don't need biggar and halfpenny in the same team

Baldwin'ns try against LI.
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A defensive 15 looks on the numbers for what we need right now
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Halfpenny and Kalamafoni were the top 2 for metres made. Kalamafoni on top with 67, Leigh with 64. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers both in the 40s. Steff in the 30s... Everyone else below 10m. Seeing Halfpenny and Kalamafoni come in for some unnecessary stick. 

I'd like to see Costellow or Angus have a crack at 10 next week. 
A back line of Blacker, Costellow, SteffE, Hughes, Tyler, Conbeer, Rogers for me next week.
Pack of Rob Evs, Daf Hughes, Kruger, Tex, Rawlins, Kennedy, Cubby, Kalamafoni. 
Bench of Price, Jones, Sebastien, Helps, Morgan, Homer, Dan, Asquith. 
Going to be tough in Italy without everyone. 
Sebastian over Kruger who isn’t a great scrummager 
I feel Kruger offers much more. Just don't see anything in Sebastian at all. It's worrying over next few months havi g Sebastian and Kruger as options. One injury and in steps O'connor from the academy. A definite area that we need to bolster when we can. 
Apart from the fact one is a strong scrummager and the other isn’t 
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Kruger's work rate is amazing for a prop. Never been a great scrummager though.
Yes I agree.
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Kruger's work rate is amazing for a prop. Never been a great scrummager though.
Yes I agree.
spot on. I worry On JS. He's 27, not a prospect. I personally don't think Kruger is any worse. In the scrum than Sebastian. But Kruger hands down does more around the field. Each to their own though. 
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Pretty meaningless to discuss any shortcomings Leigh may or may not have - our attacking ambitions should be based on the merits and strengths of the selected backs. Where were any moves involving our blind side wingers coming into the line to create overlaps? 

Identifying Leigh or Dan or Steff as reasons for our failures is way off the mark. Our team should go out for every game with a detailed idea of how we are going to beat the opposition. Against Glasgow on a perfect track in good weather conditions we were clueless. That is down to coaching. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Pretty meaningless to discuss any shortcomings Leigh may or may not have - our attacking ambitions should be based on the merits and strengths of the selected backs. Where were any moves involving our blind side wingers coming into the line to create overlaps? 

Identifying Leigh or Dan or Steff as reasons for our failures is way off the mark. Our team should go out for every game with a detailed idea of how we are going to beat the opposition. Against Glasgow on a perfect track in good weather conditions we were clueless. That is down to coaching. 

When Gareth Jenkins was coach he was always analysing the opposition and played accordingly.  Today, with the huge amount of data available to coaches there is no excuse not to have a game plan targeting the opposition's weaknesses, as Glasgow succeeded in doing.  We may well have had a "cunning plan" of our own but if we did we were not well drilled enough to execute it.
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