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Going back to the game at CAP for a minute, I remember the commentators making a big thing of players not wanting to fall on the ball or go to ground due to the dangers of the hard pitch. I think there should at least be some sort of expert review of these pitches to see what effect they are having not only on the bodies of the players, but also the shape of the game itself if players are reluctant to play the game as it's meant to be played.

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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Going back to the game at CAP for a minute, I remember the commentators making a big thing of players not wanting to fall on the ball or go to ground due to the dangers of the hard pitch. I think there should at least be some sort of expert review of these pitches to see what effect they are having not only on the bodies of the players, but also the shape of the game itself if players are reluctant to play the game as it's meant to be played.

Since Glasgow aren't complaining - maybe it's because their players have adapted how they play to the pitch in order to avoid injuries. Not so great for visiting players, though, if that's the case.
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World Rugby Regulation 22 is the law that says every pitch must pass tests to ensure there are no problems with energy-sapping, head impact, skin friction or joints damage.

Surely the Glasgow pitch must be re-inspected then?


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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

World Rugby Regulation 22 is the law that says every pitch must pass tests to ensure there are no problems with energy-sapping, head impact, skin friction or joints damage.

Surely the Glasgow pitch must be re-inspected then?

I wonder what the mechanism is for this, or if one exists ATM? In cricket, umpires can report pitches which are thought to be of poor quality.
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remember last season or season before Pontypridd played Merthyr and the Merthyr players had terrible burns on the pitch. it was down to not watering the ponty artificial pitch. was a lot of fuss at the time I remember.
would think a top side like Glasgow would look after the pitch a little better?
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

4G pitches coming under fire today following the weekend..

Wasps confirm Jack Willis suffered horror knee injury at Allianz Park & will miss England's tour of South Africa.

Also someone mentioning that Steffon Armitage damaged his acl at Cardiff a couple of weeks ago in the Challenge Cup semi. 9 months out


Wasps flanker Jack Willis could be out of action for up to 12 months because of the knee injury he sustained in Saturday's Premiership semi-final. Scans revealed he has injured several ligaments, including a rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament .

Former England winger Ugo Monye told BBC Radio 5 live's Rugby Union Weekly podcast: "I've played on 4G pitches a lot and I personally don't like it - it's a really hard surface.

"At the time you feel quick but it's putting so much extra pressure through your joints and when you're a big lad like Jack [who is 6ft 3in and weighs nearly 17 stone], you can see it.

"It was fairly innocuous - he just gets hit, his studs get trapped in the ground and unfortunately the ground wasn't going to move so it had to be his knee."



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I've seen two of the worst injuries I've seen come to team mates on 4g pitches, and I've also had/seen some pretty horrible burns. I don't like them at all.
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Zander Fagerson says Glasgow Warriors players "love" the artificial Scotstoun surface and suffered "not a single wound" from the pitch in their Pro14 semi-final loss to Scarlets.

"Absolutely fine," prop Fagerson said when asked whether Warriors' squad were also nursing sores. "None of our players had any issues."

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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Zander Fagerson says Glasgow Warriors players "love" the artificial Scotstoun surface and suffered "not a single wound" from the pitch in their Pro14 semi-final loss to Scarlets.

"Absolutely fine," prop Fagerson said when asked whether Warriors' squad were also nursing sores. "None of our players had any issues."


The evidence is there, our players aren't lying, which begs the question, what did they do differently ?

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Pivac rested some of our players for the trip to CAP because he felt they were more prone to injury on an artificial surface.

As was said previously, the evidence is there. Players should not be burned.
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This has been a very complacent response from Glasgow. It wasn't so long ago that their own players were raising concerns about the surface, saying they would just have to adapt to the burns effects and sore points that you get from playing on a hard pitch. 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Zander Fagerson says Glasgow Warriors players "love" the artificial Scotstoun surface and suffered "not a single wound" from the pitch in their Pro14 semi-final loss to Scarlets.

"Absolutely fine," prop Fagerson said when asked whether Warriors' squad were also nursing sores. "None of our players had any issues."


The evidence is there, our players aren't lying, which begs the question, what did they do differently ?

Moved at glacial speed to limit the impact LOL
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Sides with this surface tend to get very defensive when someone raises obvious issues. Friction burns in the quantity experienced by Scarlet players is unacceptable and I am surprised that the manufacturers of these pitches have not come out with something definitive in their defence. 

Joint & ligament damage does seem to increase on these pitches due to the unforgiving nature of the surface but the burns issue seems to be down to maintenance/preparation. 
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They must be pretty thick-skinned to ignore all the complaints.
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Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

They must be pretty thick-skinned to ignore all the complaints.

Being thick skinned also means you can afford to lose a layer of it occasionally.😁
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ap sior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2018 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Zander Fagerson says Glasgow Warriors players "love" the artificial Scotstoun surface and suffered "not a single wound" from the pitch in their Pro14 semi-final loss to Scarlets.

"Absolutely fine," prop Fagerson said when asked whether Warriors' squad were also nursing sores. "None of our players had any issues."


The evidence is there, our players aren't lying, which begs the question, what did they do differently ?

Moved at glacial speed to limit the impact LOL

I'm pretty sure that Fargeson was replaced within the first 30 minutes. If so, it is somewhat ironic that he's the one who's been put up to defend the pitch !!!
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