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Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

Ospreys fans won't come to watch a merged team at PYS anyway, so why (if this the plan) destroy 2 identities and mess up what Scarlets have created over all the years???

It sounds to me that unless we're able to offer some kind of rescue plan for the O's, then they won't have any regional rugby to watch anyway.
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So are the wru and regions suggesting their scarlet / osprey merger proposal is permanent or short term 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mrfwon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2019 at 10:46am
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

All well and good saying the Ospreys skint but the WRU stumped up the money to save and take over the Dragons can’t they see which team is worth saving and which is worth scrapping.
Unless of course the finances at the Ospreys are that bad that they are beyond saving which leads to the question how have they been allowed to be so incompetent.
How the hell were they allowed to sign players like North using WRU money. Were there no checks by the union before they allowed that to happen. Yes the board at the Ospreys have a lot to answer for but the WRU have been at best negligent and at worst complicit in their demise.


The Ospreys have no valuable assets, no proper home, no stadia. At least the Dragons have their own facilities and stadia, which has been heavily invested in over the past few years.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

How on earth did the ospreys make such a mess of their finances is one question. If they go bankrupt which seems inevitable according to the stories were hearing. What options do they have? Cant they re-emerge after a firesale, re-structuring their debts, perhaps a WRU and extended bank loan , perhaps some kind of help from the council / welsh assembly even...letting a lot of players go? Neath went bust a few times and re-emerged, though clearly the figures involved here will be much bigger. Yes for a few years theyd be a far a weaker region but at least they will still exist and one day day may rebuild. The sheer number of strong clubs in their region is massive. Allied to their academy and age group rugby, talents of the future would eventually re-emerge

I believe all feasible options are being considered - there's still a lot of hard work to be done.
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Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

All well and good saying the Ospreys skint but the WRU stumped up the money to save and take over the Dragons can’t they see which team is worth saving and which is worth scrapping.
Unless of course the finances at the Ospreys are that bad that they are beyond saving which leads to the question how have they been allowed to be so incompetent.
How the hell were they allowed to sign players like North using WRU money. Were there no checks by the union before they allowed that to happen. Yes the board at the Ospreys have a lot to answer for but the WRU have been at best negligent and at worst complicit in their demise.


The Ospreys have no valuable assets, no proper home, no stadia. At least the Dragons have their own facilities and stadia, which has been heavily invested in over the past few years.
 
They own the brewery field don't they?
 
plus they have a squad including some top players and a proven record of developing quality players plus some feeder clubs with a great history
 
If the wry want to chuck all that away for a punt in north wales that seems an odd move to me tbh
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Judgement day will be interesting this year
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

All well and good saying the Ospreys skint but the WRU stumped up the money to save and take over the Dragons can’t they see which team is worth saving and which is worth scrapping.
Unless of course the finances at the Ospreys are that bad that they are beyond saving which leads to the question how have they been allowed to be so incompetent.
How the hell were they allowed to sign players like North using WRU money. Were there no checks by the union before they allowed that to happen. Yes the board at the Ospreys have a lot to answer for but the WRU have been at best negligent and at worst complicit in their demise.


The Ospreys have no valuable assets, no proper home, no stadia. At least the Dragons have their own facilities and stadia, which has been heavily invested in over the past few years.
 
They own the brewery field don't they?
 
plus they have a squad including some top players and a proven record of developing quality players plus some feeder clubs with a great history
 
If the wry want to chuck all that away for a punt in north wales that seems an odd move to me tbh

I'm not sure to be honest. What it would be worth though if they did own the brewery field would be another interesting question for sure.

Any players currently on national dual contracts would probably be ok, and could be swallowed up by the remaining 2 regions (or 3 if North Wales becomes a region). It's the remaining player base, and staff that currently make up the Ospreys region that I fear for more than anything.
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Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Judgement day will be interesting this year
 
fair play to the wru have killed off the biggest game in welsh domestic rugbyAngryAngry
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Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Judgement day will be interesting this year

Looks like we're having one today Shocked
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Judgement day will be interesting this year
 
fair play to the wru have killed off the biggest game in welsh domestic rugbyAngryAngry

yet another fringe benefit of this disaster....60,000+ judgement day is down the pan tooCry
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Know it wouldn't happen but nice to see the scarlet and os players supporting this situation and making themselves unavailable for Saturday's game v Scotland and every game til this is resolved
Wru can pick a team from blues, dragons and the rgc
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Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Know it wouldn't happen but nice to see the scarlet and os players supporting this situation and making themselves unavailable for Saturday's game v Scotland and every game til this is resolved
Wru can pick a team from blues, dragons and the rgc

now that would be hardball

got to empathise with players and their families here. Especially those Ospreys players who are putting their bodies on the line in scotland this weekend. Their heads must be spinning.Confused
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Imagine not being able to sing Yma O Hyd anymore.
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It's not just the players, it's all the jobs behind the scenes. From players to tea ladies
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

I think facts are in short supply at this stage, but what you posted is probably pretty accurate, IMO.

What I can’t understand is why we’d be willing to “merge”. The rumours are that the Ospreys benefactors are willing to put money into this new hybrid entity. If they’re bringing money to the table they will want influence and concessions from us. The question is, why would they put money into this proposed new team but not use it to keep what they’ve already built going?

Any concessions we make for them in terms of branding will be extremely tough to stomach for most Scarlets fans. No concessions we make will ever be enough for most Ospreys fans. This has all the makings of a disaster. Two fan bases will be alienated, crowds will likely be smaller than either team pulls in currently, money will be wasted in trying (in vain) to placate the two sets of fans, and in a few short years the WRU will be scratching its head wondering why the West and South-West of Wales doesn’t produce as many talented players as it did when there were two teams covering those areas instead of one.

We need to be very noisy in opposition to this. Perhaps a joint petition with Ospreys fans against this merger, with a threat to boycott any hybrid team, is the way to go. If we make it clear this decision will be bad for business they will surely have to listen.


That would basically be a petition to ask Ospreys supporters to stop having any kind of team to support.

Less than 10 days ago the Ospreys came out to refute the rumours of their demise and stated they were going nowhere. Things have changed since then. They need to change back.
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