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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2014 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the downside of more devolved powers is more may eventually end up in the hands of our beloved council ..and i aint paying cat tax (or fat cat taxLOL )




Roy - tax is a totally different issue.

If governments could find a way to ensure that all the tax-dodging companies paid their fair share (Amazon, Starbucks, Vodaphone, Google, Apple to name just some of the largest) - as well as preferably the wealthiest individual tax dodgers, there would be more than enough to go round to fund better schools, roads and hospitals for all of us.

It's disgraceful that you and I pay a higher marginal rate of tax than these companies!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2014 at 7:18pm
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Well we shall see what happens when Westminster and co vote to leave Europe...tata steel and every large company in south Wales is already ready to relocate to mainland Europe.... The damage done will make the thatcher years seem like an Indian summer


They will only do that if a referendum result goes that way.

It'll be up to us to make sure that UKIP and its swivel-eyed loonies don't win the vote.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2014 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by TheOracle TheOracle wrote:

Well we shall see what happens when Westminster and co vote to leave Europe...tata steel and every large company in south Wales is already ready to relocate to mainland Europe.... The damage done will make the thatcher years seem like an Indian summer


Don't disagree but, sadly, the UKIP types are so paranoid about Europe.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TheOracle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2014 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

Originally posted by TheOracle TheOracle wrote:

Well we shall see what happens when Westminster and co vote to leave Europe...tata steel and every large company in south Wales is already ready to relocate to mainland Europe.... The damage done will make the thatcher years seem like an Indian summer


Don't disagree but, sadly, the UKIP types are so paranoid about Europe.

ukip are feeding off the dissoluosion of people who have given up and that can only because of Westminster and those liars from all the parties
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 September 2014 at 3:12am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the downside of more devolved powers is more may eventually end up in the hands of our beloved council ..and i aint paying cat tax (or fat cat taxLOL )




Roy - tax is a totally different issue.

If governments could find a way to ensure that all the tax-dodging companies paid their fair share (Amazon, Starbucks, Vodaphone, Google, Apple to name just some of the largest) - as well as preferably the wealthiest individual tax dodgers, there would be more than enough to go round to fund better schools, roads and hospitals for all of us.

It's disgraceful that you and I pay a higher marginal rate of tax than these companies!
The two tier system is of course beyond scandalous and I concur with your exasperation. Meanwhile in the wild west, as the cutbacks pay freezes continue, the councils in their desperation will invent endless ways to hoodwink more fines, license fees, expensive regulations to try and fill their coffers. so yet again the working man/woman has to pay the piper. the question is what are we going to do about it? I advocate the barter system.Wink
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/22/scottish-referendum-vote-rigging-claims-recount-petitions
heres one for all you conspiracy people.....100,000+ have signed  a petition for  arecount by independent people amidst allegations of rigging including videos of stacks of yes votes in the no pileShocked
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 September 2014 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/22/scottish-referendum-vote-rigging-claims-recount-petitions

heres one for all you conspiracy people.....100,000+ have signed  a petition for  arecount by independent people amidst allegations of rigging including videos of stacks of yes votes in the no pileShocked


From American Presidential votes to the X Factor, Wales v Russia World Cup play off under Mark Hughes or the Stradey sale decision from WAG, there's always a conspiracy to demand a replay or rerun.

Sometimes the dignified response is to let it go and accept the defeat.

Use the goodwill and people power generated to get change for the betterment of your country.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2014 at 9:04pm
Rally today at the Scottish Parliament by independence supporters and they're also tweeting that 6% of the voters have changed their mind.
Why? What do they hope to achieve?
I bet 50% of Lib Dem voters at the last election changed their mind as soon as they got into bed with the Tories. Didn't change a thing, though. At least they get another vote 5 years on.

Whichever side people were on, the decision is made and everyone has to move on. Did they really expect the Westminster leaders to honour their vow?



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Abbey. Did you see last Thursday's Question Time from Kelsall? in the Borders. This is not over yet by a long shot. People who voted NO are already becoming aware of the deceit of the UK politicians who flocked up to Scotland in a desperate attempt to get them to vote NO. But Cameron started going back on his promises at 7 o'clock on the morning following the count. Since then the SNP has signed over 50,000 new members, mostly disillusioned Labour voters. The mood in the Question Time location was that if there is no attempt to keep to what was promised to win a NO vote then another referendum will be justified before long.
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The Scottish referendum was battled on social justice which engaged really well with the electorate. Living in England it is so depressing to return to the politics of UKIP and a battle with the Tories, for who can be the most Thatcherite, which successfully engages with the electorate there. The sooner Labour gets it's act together and provides a coherent argument for social justice in the UK that can be a vote winner then the better I'll certainly be.
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Originally posted by scarlet_rob scarlet_rob wrote:

The Scottish referendum was battled on social justice which engaged really well with the electorate. Living in England it is so depressing to return to the politics of UKIP and a battle with the Tories, for who can be the most Thatcherite, which successfully engages with the electorate there. The sooner Labour gets it's act together and provides a coherent argument for social justice in the UK that can be a vote winner then the better I'll certainly be.




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Originally posted by scarlet_rob scarlet_rob wrote:

The Scottish referendum was battled on social justice which engaged really well with the electorate. Living in England it is so depressing to return to the politics of UKIP and a battle with the Tories, for who can be the most Thatcherite, which successfully engages with the electorate there. The sooner Labour gets it's act together and provides a coherent argument for social justice in the UK that can be a vote winner then the better I'll certainly be.

But if the poor got decent jobs, then they wouldn't be poor. 

So it is all their fault, if you think about it.

Makes sense, yah?
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