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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

he certainly looks the part with a calm self assured look about him.
 

Working class background and Human Rights lawyer so his heart is in the right place ( he would have made twice as much of he had been a commercial or company lawyer) and then head of the CPS . Pretty impressive imo . He appointed Lisa Nandy Foreign Secretary ie one of the big beast jobs. He is in for the long haul though in getting Labour back in an electable state. The U.K. has always been a broadly centrist country with swings to the soft left and right. 
respectfully  you and  i clearly have different takes on hr lawyers and their hearts being in the right place 😂👍. I like kier the murdoch press will go at him for that airport joke prosecution farce though
  

Probably ! 😀 The Labour Party will have a smooth ride now for possibly 6-12 months as it’s going to be dead easy to attack the government in this Virus crisis in opposition ( although I would be gobsmacked if Labour would have done any better if JC : Labour were in government or this issue ). He will be tested once this virus crisis is sorted and ongoing politics of running the country continue. It’s going to be very tough now for the Tories as tax rises will have to be brought in next year which no one likes and carrying the country on that journey is going to be a huge challenge. As the so called party of business the government will have another massive  job on their hands. I hope they are up to it!

Good post. I agree with you that navigating the country through this crisis is not a task any Prime Minister would relish nor indeed the very serious fiscal decisions which will be required when it is all over. 

Starmer comes across as a careful, safe pair of hands & if he can reconcile the centre & left factions of his party he will have a decent chance of taking on a battered Tory regime in 2024/5.

pro corporation but are they pro sme?
heres one question labour should ask the tories...
"if youre meant to be lower taxation support business party , WHY DOES VAT ALWAYS GO UP under the tories?"

I'm pretty sure the answer to that is proportionally, indirect taxes cost lower earners more than direct taxation. We would all pay the same amount of VAT on an item, but the less you earn, the greater part of your disposable income it becomes.

I hope that makes sense.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

he certainly looks the part with a calm self assured look about him.
 

Working class background and Human Rights lawyer so his heart is in the right place ( he would have made twice as much of he had been a commercial or company lawyer) and then head of the CPS . Pretty impressive imo . He appointed Lisa Nandy Foreign Secretary ie one of the big beast jobs. He is in for the long haul though in getting Labour back in an electable state. The U.K. has always been a broadly centrist country with swings to the soft left and right. 
respectfully  you and  i clearly have different takes on hr lawyers and their hearts being in the right place 😂👍. I like kier the murdoch press will go at him for that airport joke prosecution farce though
  

Probably ! 😀 The Labour Party will have a smooth ride now for possibly 6-12 months as it’s going to be dead easy to attack the government in this Virus crisis in opposition ( although I would be gobsmacked if Labour would have done any better if JC : Labour were in government or this issue ). He will be tested once this virus crisis is sorted and ongoing politics of running the country continue. It’s going to be very tough now for the Tories as tax rises will have to be brought in next year which no one likes and carrying the country on that journey is going to be a huge challenge. As the so called party of business the government will have another massive  job on their hands. I hope they are up to it!

Good post. I agree with you that navigating the country through this crisis is not a task any Prime Minister would relish nor indeed the very serious fiscal decisions which will be required when it is all over. 

Starmer comes across as a careful, safe pair of hands & if he can reconcile the centre & left factions of his party he will have a decent chance of taking on a battered Tory regime in 2024/5.

pro corporation but are they pro sme?
heres one question labour should ask the tories...
"if youre meant to be lower taxation support business party , WHY DOES VAT ALWAYS GO UP under the tories?"

I'm pretty sure the answer to that is proportionally, indirect taxes cost lower earners more than direct taxation. We would all pay the same amount of VAT on an item, but the less you earn, the greater part of your disposable income it becomes.

I hope that makes sense.

It was first introduced as a tax just for luxury items.. yeah righto... toothpaste, nappies, fuel, gas, electricity, yea real luxury items eh? and rips off the poor and the rich claim it back, thatcher doubled VAT nice one maggieConfused


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That Labour party is a disgrace only have to look at his choices in the shadow cabinet
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The left dont seem too keen on starmer, his support of the establishment to extradite assange is a major bugbear, his harsh anti brexit stance was seen as anti democratic etc...Lots seem to think hes an establishment figure
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:


The left dont seem too keen on starmer, his support of the establishment to extradite assange is a major bugbear, his harsh anti brexit stance was seen as anti democratic etc...Lots seem to think hes an establishment figure
I could not believe the truly offensive comments on Angela Rayners Social media pages ( from so called Labour Party supporters)about her and her brand new shadow team after Harmer won in an open election which this lot clearly don’t respect.Whilst that rabble sticks around the party will continue to squabble. Why don’t they simply head off and form their own utopian socialist party to sit in obscurity for ever. Labour were hammered under Corbyn and needs to grab the centre and centre left ground back with the electorate. Starmer and his team need to bed in asap and get ready for the economic debate once this awful  virus disaster is over and the realists in the Labour movement need to keep a firm grip on all this. 

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I must say I find it hard to picture Keir in charge but it's very early days in his leadership yet. Can he be an inspiring and popular leader?

As a side note, my former MP in Oxford East, Anneliese Dobbs, is now the Shadow Chancellor. She seems to have had a very quick rise through the ranks.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:


The left dont seem too keen on starmer, his support of the establishment to extradite assange is a major bugbear, his harsh anti brexit stance was seen as anti democratic etc...Lots seem to think hes an establishment figure

The 'Left' have lost the last two elections, the last one very badly indeed, when the Tories were very vulnerable. 

They are now so far behind, they may not win the next election. Political commentators point out that the opposition typically make up about 30-40 seats in an election. Labour are currently 80 behind. 


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The first thing hes done is demand a time frame for the covid exit strategy ....Seems to have mistimed that demand
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The first thing hes done is demand a time frame for the covid exit strategy ....Seems to have mistimed that demand

I thought he asked for an exit strategy, which is different.
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How can anyone support this fool
How can anyone support Johnson or any Conservative for that matter?
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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I’d vote kier, he’s not flashy or charismatic but he seems sensible. I’m not impressed with his part in previous prosecutions but he’d be a decent pm
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I’d vote kier, he’s not flashy or charismatic but he seems sensible. I’m not impressed with his part in previous prosecutions but he’d be a decent pm

are you referring to his treatment of julian assange
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I like him so far: really strong cross-examining style and seems serious and sensible. Maybe what we need. Certainly a contrast between him and BJ!
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I like him so far: really strong cross-examining style and seems serious and sensible. Maybe what we need. Certainly a contrast between him and BJ!

Not only a contrast with Boris but also with Jeremy. Hopefully Kier can steer a line with far greater party discipline but preserving many of the policies which sought to address the great inbalances in our society which Corbyn/McDonald championed. 

If this pandemic teaches us one huge thing it is that very often it is the lesser rewarded & dare I say it less appreciated who really step up to the plate in times of crisis. 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

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I’d vote kier, he’s not flashy or charismatic but he seems sensible. I’m not impressed with his part in previous prosecutions but he’d be a decent pm

are you referring to his treatment of julian assange
no his part in prosecuting british troops and his obsession with that air port bomber joker.  But ill still vote for him
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