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I see the BBC have stopped the singing of the lyrics to rule britannia and land of hope and glory in case it offends or something.
The u-turn on the license fee for pensioners was a killer blow, but their output has been declining for decades.
This could be the beginning of the end of the BBC as we know it, its now seen by the majority of license fee holders as a radical anti british organisation.
Both labour and tories have condemned this decision, be interesting to see what starmer does about this and the license fee



I believe they should have permanently removed Rule Britannia from the Proms as it’s a song celebrating the conquest of quarter of the World’s Population by the British Empire, something that should be commemorated but not celebrated. It also includes the line “Britains shall never be slaves” which I can imagine is hugely offensive to black people as it gives the message that the British are better than black people, something which is obviously completely unacceptable today. Frankly the only thing I’m disappointed with the BBC about is that they’ve decided that they’ll bring back the singing of it next year.

But British people have been enslaved


....and forced to die in their hundreds of thousands fighting the wars for rich rulers
100 million+ of these so called privileged people died in 2 world wars.....
what revised version of history are they teaching these days?
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British people singing songs about britain in britain. And people get offended by it? Lol if you dont like it d0n’t watch it. It’s that simple👍. People actively volunteered to
Fight in world wars to prevent britains being enslaved.  The bbc are just being daft and pandering to the pc brigade who want to ban anything they disagree with. Not very liberal is it? Make no bones about it if our navy hadn’t defeated the armada we likely would have been enslaved. The spanish were hardly kind rulers to the people 
Of south anerica were they?


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British people singing songs about britain in britain. And people get offended by it? Lol if you dont like it d0n’t watch it. It’s that simple👍

If we take this argument to its full extent shall we now scour the whole world for any and all violent or offensive lyrics or anthems poems films etc etc etc

The mexican , chinese , vietnamese, national anthems contain loads of violence, la marseille is yet more blood shed.......Then you have the rappers rapping about violence of all kinds and filthy language etc Endless violence in movies all under the banner of art......
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British people singing songs about britain in britain. And people get offended by it? Lol if you dont like it d0n’t watch it. It’s that simple👍. People actively volunteered to
Fight in world wars to prevent britains being enslaved.  The bbc are just being daft and pandering to the pc brigade who want to ban anything they disagree with. Not very liberal is it?

Theyre in danger of trivialising serious issues and alienating the masses with this reactionary stuff. which is totally self defeating. They seem to forget that student unions do not pay the majority of the license fees. They barely pay a tiny minority, ignore the masses at your peril BBC
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[QUOTE=RR1972]British people singing songs about britain in britain. And people get offended by it? Lol if you dont like it d0n’t watch it. It’s that simple👍

If we take this argument to its full extent shall we now scour the whole world for any and all violent or offensive lyrics or anthems poems films etc etc etc

The mexican , chinese , vietnamese, national anthems contain loads of violence, la marseille is yet more blood shed.......Then you have the rappers rapping about violence of all kinds and filthy language etc Endless violence in movies all under the banner of art......  .   Exactly  i’m a catholic i find the life of brian and the da vinci code offensive so i don’t watch them. I don’t demand they get banned like some of these hand wringers in the pc brigade, they seened to spend their lives getting offended by things on other peoples behalf! And wanting anything they dont enoy or agree with  to get banned


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I recall the BBc about 15 years ago were to show jerry springer the musical which portrayed Jeses as an alcoholic and Joseph and a sexual deviant, 50 thousand letters of complaint were sent in but the BBC ignored them and showed it regardless. Perhaps the BBC only care when certain people or individuals are offended?
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And you can add "God save the Queen" to these anthems with their false rendering of history, to massage centuries of imperialism, colonialism and mass murder, built on superior military technology and the desperate straights of a peasantry with little to lose. Sadly too many Welshmen took part in these "adventures" forgetting that Cymru was England's first colony and not understanding what the English ruling class were doing to other peoples who had done them no harm.

Consider this by John Wright an independent Scottish journalist :-

The country’s national anthem, “God Save the Queen” also belongs to the dustbin of history.

Consider its notorious sixth verse:

Lord grant that Marshal Wade

May by thy mighty aid

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

And like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush.

God save the King!

No longer included in any modern rendition, this verse was appended to the 1744 original in 1745 in response to the Jacobite uprising of that year. And on this, history records that though Marshal Wade failed to crush those Rebellious Scots, his replacement of the Duke of Cumberland certainly did and with gusto at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 — and thereafter in a murderous sweeping up operation across the Highlands.

The unvarnished truth is that a ruling establishment which seeks to cohere its citizenry in the third decade of the 21st century around 18th century dirges celebrating war, conquest and domination is one that is suffering a crisis of identity — unfit to meet the challenges of the present and instead trying desperately to glorify an inglorious past.

It is high time that the sordid truth of British history was substituted for the myths that have colonized the school curriculum since time immemorial. For until it does, we shall continue to remain infantilized at the feet of a barbarous Establishment even as it nails us to the cross of austerity with the objective of purifying us with pain.

Ultimately, the working class, acting as a class for itself, needs its own songs.

At least then we would know that we’ve finally emerged from the cave into the light. The point at which we do is the point at which we’ll understand that not only must “Rule Britannia”be binned in the name of progress and justice, but so must Britain itself.



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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

And you can add "God save the Queen" to these anthems with their false rendering of history, to massage centuries of imperialism, colonialism and mass murder, built on superior military technology and the desperate straights of a peasantry with little to lose. Sadly too many Welshmen took part in these "adventures" forgetting that Cymru was England's first colony and not understanding what the English ruling class were doing to other peoples who had done them no harm.

Consider this by John Wright an independent Scottish journalist :-

The country’s national anthem, “God Save the Queen” also belongs to the dustbin of history.

Consider its notorious sixth verse:

Lord grant that Marshal Wade

May by thy mighty aid

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

And like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush.

God save the King!

No longer included in any modern rendition, this verse was appended to the 1744 original in 1745 in response to the Jacobite uprising of that year. And on this, history records that though Marshal Wade failed to crush those Rebellious Scots, his replacement of the Duke of Cumberland certainly did and with gusto at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 — and thereafter in a murderous sweeping up operation across the Highlands.

The unvarnished truth is that a ruling establishment which seeks to cohere its citizenry in the third decade of the 21st century around 18th century dirges celebrating war, conquest and domination is one that is suffering a crisis of identity — unfit to meet the challenges of the present and instead trying desperately to glorify an inglorious past.

It is high time that the sordid truth of British history was substituted for the myths that have colonized the school curriculum since time immemorial. For until it does, we shall continue to remain infantilized at the feet of a barbarous Establishment even as it nails us to the cross of austerity with the objective of purifying us with pain.

Ultimately, the working class, acting as a class for itself, needs its own songs.

At least then we would know that we’ve finally emerged from the cave into the light. The point at which we do is the point at which we’ll understand that not only must “Rule Britannia”be binned in the name of progress and justice, but so must Britain itself.




Thankfully that verse about the scots isnt used anymore, though the scots anthem, one could counter argue is a bit anti english. You could argue back on the backs of scottish oppression maybe they have the right to vent their spleen etc Everyone is well aware of the brutalities of the monarchy, I see no purpose in them whatsoever...But everyone has suffered under its brutal reign...But how does change happen how does justice prevail? 

Angry mobs smashing up towns, properties, statues, people getting hurt and killed and endless  petty censoring? By reverse discrimination against everything some groups dont like and all whilst spreading the deadliest pandemic in a century? Or maybe there are better ways? Id rather follow the example of people who change things through the right channels and grow a better future. In Wales Gwynfor evans is a recent example of such a person. He changed things for wales through the right channels and did so peacefully. Lloyd George changed the world from within and forever. Neu bevan, keir starmer, tony benn the list goes on




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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I recall the BBc about 15 years ago were to show jerry springer the musical which portrayed Jeses as an alcoholic and Joseph and a sexual deviant, 50 thousand letters of complaint were sent in but the BBC ignored them and showed it regardless. Perhaps the BBC only care when certain people or individuals are offended?
I’ve heard someone say that part of the problem is that the BBC hierarchy is so full of white males that they are scared to death of being labelled racists. On the other hand with the example given above I’d imagine there were a lot of christians in the decision making room and they were therefore able to see that only a minority of the group that could be offended were actually offended. When it comes to race relations however this person was saying that as the BBC can’t consult any POC when making these decisions they have know way of knowing whether something is offensive or not and therefore tend to err on the side of caution too much.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

And you can add "God save the Queen" to these anthems with their false rendering of history, to massage centuries of imperialism, colonialism and mass murder, built on superior military technology and the desperate straights of a peasantry with little to lose. Sadly too many Welshmen took part in these "adventures" forgetting that Cymru was England's first colony and not understanding what the English ruling class were doing to other peoples who had done them no harm.

Consider this by John Wright an independent Scottish journalist :-

The country’s national anthem, “God Save the Queen” also belongs to the dustbin of history.

Consider its notorious sixth verse:

Lord grant that Marshal Wade

May by thy mighty aid

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

And like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush.

God save the King!

No longer included in any modern rendition, this verse was appended to the 1744 original in 1745 in response to the Jacobite uprising of that year. And on this, history records that though Marshal Wade failed to crush those Rebellious Scots, his replacement of the Duke of Cumberland certainly did and with gusto at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 — and thereafter in a murderous sweeping up operation across the Highlands.

The unvarnished truth is that a ruling establishment which seeks to cohere its citizenry in the third decade of the 21st century around 18th century dirges celebrating war, conquest and domination is one that is suffering a crisis of identity — unfit to meet the challenges of the present and instead trying desperately to glorify an inglorious past.

It is high time that the sordid truth of British history was substituted for the myths that have colonized the school curriculum since time immemorial. For until it does, we shall continue to remain infantilized at the feet of a barbarous Establishment even as it nails us to the cross of austerity with the objective of purifying us with pain.

Ultimately, the working class, acting as a class for itself, needs its own songs.

At least then we would know that we’ve finally emerged from the cave into the light. The point at which we do is the point at which we’ll understand that not only must “Rule Britannia”be binned in the name of progress and justice, but so must Britain itself.



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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I recall the BBc about 15 years ago were to show jerry springer the musical which portrayed Jeses as an alcoholic and Joseph and a sexual deviant, 50 thousand letters of complaint were sent in but the BBC ignored them and showed it regardless. Perhaps the BBC only care when certain people or individuals are offended?
I’ve heard someone say that part of the problem is that the BBC hierarchy is so full of white males that they are scared to death of being labelled racists. On the other hand with the example given above I’d imagine there were a lot of christians in the decision making room and they were therefore able to see that only a minority of the group that could be offended were actually offended. When it comes to race relations however this person was saying that as the BBC can’t consult any POC when making these decisions they have know way of knowing whether something is offensive or not and therefore tend to err on the side of caution too much.

If we keep going back to identity politics, too many white men. what happened to judging people by the content of their character. Yes the old class system institutionalizes the power structure to a degree, but this whole too many white men line is toxic nonsense and a form of reverse ignorance. I see the BBc board has 13 people, 4 are women, 1 is disabled, 1 is of african descent. 

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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I recall the BBc about 15 years ago were to show jerry springer the musical which portrayed Jeses as an alcoholic and Joseph and a sexual deviant, 50 thousand letters of complaint were sent in but the BBC ignored them and showed it regardless. Perhaps the BBC only care when certain people or individuals are offended?

I’ve heard someone say that part of the problem is that the BBC hierarchy is so full of white males that they are scared to death of being labelled racists. On the other hand with the example given above I’d imagine there were a lot of christians in the decision making room and they were therefore able to see that only a minority of the group that could be offended were actually offended. When it comes to race relations however this person was saying that as the BBC can’t consult any POC when making these decisions they have know way of knowing whether something is offensive or not and therefore tend to err on the side of caution too much.


If we keep going back to identity politics, too many white men. what happened to judging people by the content of their character. Yes the old class system institutionalizes the power structure to a degree, but this whole too many white men line is toxic nonsense and a form of reverse ignorance. I see the BBc board has 13 people, 4 are women, 1 is disabled, 1 is of african descent. 


You also have the problem now where if you are white and helping a charity in Africa , your accused of being a white knight , all of this was brought in by the left, brought over from America
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I see the BBC have stopped the singing of the lyrics to rule britannia and land of hope and glory in case it offends or something.
The u-turn on the license fee for pensioners was a killer blow, but their output has been declining for decades.
This could be the beginning of the end of the BBC as we know it, its now seen by the majority of license fee holders as a radical anti british organisation.
Both labour and tories have condemned this decision, be interesting to see what starmer does about this and the license fee

it will for a be year only as no audience obviously with Covid. Much ado about nothing it seems 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

And you can add "God save the Queen" to these anthems with their false rendering of history, to massage centuries of imperialism, colonialism and mass murder, built on superior military technology and the desperate straights of a peasantry with little to lose. Sadly too many Welshmen took part in these "adventures" forgetting that Cymru was England's first colony and not understanding what the English ruling class were doing to other peoples who had done them no harm.

Consider this by John Wright an independent Scottish journalist :-

The country’s national anthem, “God Save the Queen” also belongs to the dustbin of history.

Consider its notorious sixth verse:

Lord grant that Marshal Wade

May by thy mighty aid

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

And like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush.

God save the King!

No longer included in any modern rendition, this verse was appended to the 1744 original in 1745 in response to the Jacobite uprising of that year. And on this, history records that though Marshal Wade failed to crush those Rebellious Scots, his replacement of the Duke of Cumberland certainly did and with gusto at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 — and thereafter in a murderous sweeping up operation across the Highlands.

The unvarnished truth is that a ruling establishment which seeks to cohere its citizenry in the third decade of the 21st century around 18th century dirges celebrating war, conquest and domination is one that is suffering a crisis of identity — unfit to meet the challenges of the present and instead trying desperately to glorify an inglorious past.

It is high time that the sordid truth of British history was substituted for the myths that have colonized the school curriculum since time immemorial. For until it does, we shall continue to remain infantilized at the feet of a barbarous Establishment even as it nails us to the cross of austerity with the objective of purifying us with pain.

Ultimately, the working class, acting as a class for itself, needs its own songs.

At least then we would know that we’ve finally emerged from the cave into the light. The point at which we do is the point at which we’ll understand that not only must “Rule Britannia”be binned in the name of progress and justice, but so must Britain itself.



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We cannot change history - all we can do is accept that some parts of it we would prefer that our ancestors had made different decisions. We can change today & tomorrow by making good sensible decisions for the majority.

However for any organisation in Britain, especially those institutions like the BBC, to take the side of the hand wringing, tree hugging minorities is totally spineless. If we are not careful then the PC brigade will have us questioning the parts played by our brave military personnel in theatres of war around the World. These are the very same personnel who saved this country from being occupied in 1940-1945.

War should always be the last resort & recent campaigns such as the Falklands and Iraq were a total failure of diplomacy first & foremost. Innocent lives on both sides were lost and those responsible for the failures in diplomacy should have been brought to book. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I see the BBC have stopped the singing of the lyrics to rule britannia and land of hope and glory in case it offends or something.
The u-turn on the license fee for pensioners was a killer blow, but their output has been declining for decades.
This could be the beginning of the end of the BBC as we know it, its now seen by the majority of license fee holders as a radical anti british organisation.
Both labour and tories have condemned this decision, be interesting to see what starmer does about this and the license fee

it will for a be year only as no audience obviously with Covid. Much ado about nothing it seems 
I agree Reesy.

I disagree. They are keeping the words in the other songs but not these ones? Doesnt make an ounce of sense either they can sing or they cant. To take out the words of some harmless patriotic ancient hymns just in case they offend someone is pathetic and its is the thin edge of the wedge.
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