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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

 
Labour haven't got a clue different ministers saying different things, Burnham gas now been exposed as a liar with his staged finding out on live TV lol

I think it's always going to be the case different people will have different opinions on it. Leadership is listening to those opinions and deciding the best course of action. It's silly, I hear people saying things like "well, if scientists have different views that means we don't really know which is best, do we?". This ignores the concept that scientists frequently have different views but at least rely on facts (or, more correctly, evidence) to back them up and often (eventually) a consensus is reached.

My personal opinion is that too much weight is given to personal opinions at this point in history. You can always find a view on both sides of an argument, claim or news story - doesn't mean they have equal merit whatsoever. The BBC and media in general have fallen into the trap of prioritising balance and entertainment over factual accuracy, evidence and logic. Why? Because the latter is boring and doesn't make good telly or a good story or tweet or whatever. 

I agree about the bbc and the lack of basic factual accuracy and evidence...surely that should come first followed by opinion based on the facts. Some so called facts are harder to corroborate with economic predictions etc

dont you think its utterly bozarre that Uk has built over 40,000 new hospital beds and used virtually none of them to quarantine covid infected patients?
I believe it’s down to staffing issues. If they were used the hospitals would become unsafe because of staff shortage. Obviously that would be the least worst option if the hospitals were overwhelmed during a peak of the pandemic but otherwise my guess would be that we’d need more NHS staff before using the field hospitals to clear up waiting lists or treat any covid patients that needed any treatment.

But the hospitals are half empty? 25 million plus cancelled procedures in 7 months
I know a chap who had heart surgery in carmarthenshire during lockdown, he was the only man in the ward throughout his stay
In addition the fact they are putting covid patients in nhs wards has seen the virus spread throughout hospitals and has infected both patients and staff thus hitting staff numbers

The whole point of spending billions on 40,000+ new hospital beds was to ease the pressure on the nhs, it has done nothing of the kind
Further over 20,000 doctors and nurses were recruited or pulled out of retirement to fight this outbreak....Surely at least some of these could be staffed at the field hospitals. There are 1 million volunteers available to help with the various tasks involved in setting up and running these field hospitals. 
The govt in all 4 home nations has said virtually nothing about these field hospitals for several months thus leaving us all guessing


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you should have read the piece in the mirror yesterday showing the companies awarded £1billion pounds worth of contracts during covid,every one of them with links to tory peers or ministers and all of them tory donors,shameful.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

you should have read the piece in the mirror yesterday showing the companies awarded £1billion pounds worth of contracts during covid,every one of them with links to tory peers or ministers and all of them tory donors,shameful.

That's shocking if true. There have been other stories about this and SKS brought it up at PMQs this week so it is a known thing but are enough people listening?

I am also sure there are decent Tories somewhere who must be disgusted as well. 
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

you should have read the piece in the mirror yesterday showing the companies awarded £1billion pounds worth of contracts during covid,every one of them with links to tory peers or ministers and all of them tory donors,shameful.

That's shocking if true. There have been other stories about this and SKS brought it up at PMQs this week so it is a known thing but are enough people listening?

I am also sure there are decent Tories somewhere who must be disgusted as well. 
randox laborotories £133 million -coronovirus testing-£100 k to owen patterson for advising,
Meller designs £90.9 million-hand sanitiser/face masks-david meller donated £65000 in 10 years and donated to gove's failed leadership bid.
 the list goes on but i have to go to work.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

you should have read the piece in the mirror yesterday showing the companies awarded £1billion pounds worth of contracts during covid,every one of them with links to tory peers or ministers and all of them tory donors,shameful.

That's shocking if true. There have been other stories about this and SKS brought it up at PMQs this week so it is a known thing but are enough people listening?

I am also sure there are decent Tories somewhere who must be disgusted as well. 
randox laborotories £133 million -coronovirus testing-£100 k to owen patterson for advising,
Meller designs £90.9 million-hand sanitiser/face masks-david meller donated £65000 in 10 years and donated to gove's failed leadership bid.
 the list goes on but i have to go to work.

That their corruption isn't a national scandal says something pretty damning about the state of our democracy at present. Or "democracy" so I can be edgy and cool.
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Absolutely appalling profiteering , in the midst of a pandemic its unforgivable. why isnt starmer drawing more attention to this ? arent there STILL laws about vested / conflicting interests/insider dealing ?

One interesting tale yesterday, some welsh trains being renationalised 
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[QUOTE=ap sior] How about this for perversion and corruption???

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The not independent a Saudi owned paper lol.
Why isn't any paper reporting on Nancy Polosi trying to bring in amendment to remove a president who they don't think is pyshically or mentally upto the job
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