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KID A
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If it's new to you then yes. If you grew up wanting to play for them then no. |
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dr_martinov
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I do think they should sort the name out to being officially England and Wales and have this represented by the badge, flags and even songs. More like what the West Indies do. Aim to encourage more to take an interest in cricket in Wales. I know this will take time and them playing a big test match in Cardiff is a big start IMO. I enjoy watching cricket but find it a bit hard to really support England. The name's part of that and I'm not denying it's down to petty prejudices but they'd be easily addressed. I'm going to have a guess at a 1-1 series result. Edited by dr_martinov - 13 July 2009 at 2:29pm |
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I usually endure cricket in small doses. However, I went to Cardiff yesterday for the 5th day and had a fantastic day! The setup up there regading food & drink was faultless. Loads of competent & pleasant staff too. A marvellous experience and one I'd happily go to again.
The atmosphere- especially towards the end, was amazing! Everyone around us was having a brilliant time and i can honestly say it was the best day out i've had for a long time:-)
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If sosban Fach can be sung at cardiff by fans, why does nobody at parc y scarlets bother singing it
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Ciderman
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Be more like the West Indies?
Dear me,I'll ask you to go away for twenty minutes and read about the politics that have nearly ruined the game in those islands.
The CLR James tome,"Beyond a Boundary"is a good starting place.
The BBC report on the current players strike should be a good ending place.
Suggesting that the Windies are a good model to follow is a bit like saying the Nazi party had a good manifesto for equal oppurtunities.
Try and understand the situation before making a comparison.
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dr_martinov
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Suggesting the England and Wales cricket board move towards presenting a more united front in the international cricket world is nothing like saying I have support, and think they should emulate, a corrupt board who've mismanaged their side from being the best in the world to one in disarray.
The idea of a united Caribbean side is good IMO and it's obviously this I was referring to. I don't think there's many times where there's multiple countries being represented by one flag. England and Wales in cricket is one, and that's an English flag. I think it would only be beneficial to include Wales more obviously, which I know they've started, and I say they should continue doing so. Your Nazi analogy is out of order and a bad analogy anyway. |
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Ciderman
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Sorry,you're comparison was so poor I nearly choked on my tea,no point in trying to move the goalposts afterwards.
You obviously have no idea about cricket,just the ridiculous chip you have on your shoulder about the name of the team.
If you don't like it,don't watch it.
It's the England and Wales cricket board,would you prefer it if they put the Wales first?
To the vast majority it means nothing,the lads who I've spoken to since getting back from the Test loved every second and can't wait to go again.
Please try and read about the history and structure of cricket before jumping in with an ill informed argument.
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KID A
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At least his comparison was cricket based, rather than European facist regime based. |
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Ciderman
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It's called making an extreme comparison. Works like this.
Nazi party-not good
WICB-not good
The Nazi party did exist,no point in trying to pretend they didn't.
Why is it wrong to make a comparison between historical events?
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dr_martinov
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Think I've got you now: as my favourite colours are red, white and black that must make me a jew-hating facist right?
You're making me go and on trying to get my point across so, last time: the England and Wales cricket board's international side is known by all as "England". They play with a badge with the three lions on it and they sing Jerusalem before the game. Now, I think these facts make it a little hard for some Welsh people to fully get behind the team as it's inbuilt that England are the big sporting rivals. What the hell is wrong with me suggesting they build on what they started in Cardiff and develop it further? You may disagree with me about what's in a name but it's a deceptively big part of identity for some - look at the fuss over regionalisation for example. Also, when I met an American in the States who actually knew where Wales was, and it not being England, it was fantastic! There's honestly no need for the condescending comments and the extreme, inaccurate comparisons. |
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Ciderman
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For the Lord's sake,I was not comparing your words.
I was deleiberately making an extreme comparison to show how off line you were.
Some chap the other day was suggesting that Wales had their own professional cricket team.
Would that suit?
Then maybe it's time to cut all affilaiation from the EWCB and start supporting grass roots cricket in Wales from within the Principality.
It really is a ridiculous argument,it doesn't make an ounce of sense.
It's a name.
It means nothing.
Just support the team like you'd support the British Lions.
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British and Irish Lions
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dr_martinov
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Yeah that's a no brainer; we'd need more than 2 decent grounds! I'm a bit amazed Scotland has a one day side. Who knows in a few years if more get into the sport....?
Indeed. And of course I don't have a problem that you disagree and I get your reasons but leave out all that other rubbish mate! I think I'm done now, I'll go and buy some cricket history books. |
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Ciderman
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You're missing the point.
My comparison was meant to be extreme to try and explain to you that the stance you were taking was,to me,extreme.
Over the last few days I've heard some terrible things aimed at the national cricket side,stuff which I find offensive.
This nationalistic,anti-English stuff is nasty and petty.
Cricket in Wales gains by having a strong affiliation to the EWCB.
Take that away and the game in the Principality dies.
Maybe some want that.
I know there are very many who don't.
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If you dont have a problem with names , maybe we could call it wales , and ignore the english bit...after all , its all about just getting on with it
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