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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

North is lucky don't you think as he seems a shoe in? 
I think North is very lucky that apart from Watson, none of the other potential wingers have shone. Otherwise he'd probably be out.
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North fits into the Gatland mould.

He doesn't do enough work for me and I'd take Sanjay over him any day of the week.


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North is a total enigma...He disappears for weeks, then all of a sudden this world class winger turns up?
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

North is a total enigma...He disappears for weeks, then all of a sudden this world class winger turns up?

We need him firing on all cylinders as he did in the 1st test against the AB's for Wales last year. For that reason he is a certainty in my eyes. 
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Have wingers had as much service as they needed to excel on tour so far? Game plan has largely stopped in the centres, difficult to judge who might deliver the goods. Confused

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North was very poor on Saturday.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

North is a total enigma...He disappears for weeks, then all of a sudden this world class winger turns up?

We need him firing on all cylinders as he did in the 1st test against the AB's for Wales last year. For that reason he is a certainty in my eyes. 
72 tests 32 tries...Almost identical figures to the great ieuan evans who played in the worst period in welsh rugby history (Ieu had an 82% try scoring rate for us with 191 tries in 230 games for the scarlets, whereas norths club record is 44 tries in 145 games thats 33% not too great for a winger really) 
Imagine if hed been in a side that actually passed the ball to the outside backs, with a footballing inside centre? Dare I say it imagine his record if hed played for scotland ,england or the all blacks?Hed be clsoer to savea who has a mind boggling 49 tries in 54 gamesShocked


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A lot of places seem settled, but a few remain competitive - and injuries have complicated a few choices. I suspect Gats will go for much the same team as started v Maori, with possibly Farrell coming in at 10 for Sexton - but only if he's 100%. Sexton's form has improved a lot since he was 'sorted' by the Scarlets! So, probably:

15 Halfpenny
14 North
13 Foxy
12 Te'o
11 Watson
10 Farrell
9  Murray

8 Faletau
7 O'Brien
6 O'Mahony
5 Kruis
4 Itoje
3 Furlong
2 George
1 Vunipola

subs: 16 Ken 17 Mcgrath 18 Sinckler 19 AWJ 20 Warburton 21 Webb 22 Sexton 23 Liam

Few discussion points, really. These are mine:

Left wing: Watson has had some good games, but was quiet v Maori; Daley hasn't done anything special, yet... personally, I'd start Liam but he's given away a couple of silly penalties. We'll see.

10: Farrell only starts if totally 100% - Sexton played well v Maori

4: Itoje is on an upward curve, AWJ has all the experience but is just maybe slightly past his best... but Itoje, like Liam, has given away a silly penalty and talks too much to the refs (odd, given that he was an age-grade captain for England)... so, it's too close to call IMO. Itoje, also, seems a bit childish in Hartley mode - winds up the opposition instead of just getting on with the game. He needs to grow up, a little. In this discussion, Henderson may not be out of the frame - he's been getting better.

subs: Warburton not guaranteed a bench place - maybe Stander will get the place, especially if Warbs is not considered fit enough.






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Form players on the back of the season are farrell and liam, if fit I think Id start with farrell and have sexton and liam benching
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

A lot of places seem settled, but a few remain competitive - and injuries have complicated a few choices. I suspect Gats will go for much the same team as started v Maori, with possibly Farrell coming in at 10 for Sexton - but only if he's 100%. Sexton's form has improved a lot since he was 'sorted' by the Scarlets! So, probably:

15 Halfpenny
14 North
13 Foxy
12 Te'o
11 Watson
10 Farrell
9  Murray

8 Faletau
7 O'Brien
6 O'Mahony
5 Kruis
4 Itoje
3 Furlong
2 George
1 Vunipola

subs: 16 Ken 17 Mcgrath 18 Sinckler 19 AWJ 20 Warburton 21 Webb 22 Sexton 23 Liam

Few discussion points, really. These are mine:

Left wing: Watson has had some good games, but was quiet v Maori; Daley hasn't done anything special, yet... personally, I'd start Liam but he's given away a couple of silly penalties. We'll see.

10: Farrell only starts if totally 100% - Sexton played well v Maori

4: Itoje is on an upward curve, AWJ has all the experience but is just maybe slightly past his best... but Itoje, like Liam, has given away a silly penalty and talks too much to the refs (odd, given that he was an age-grade captain for England)... so, it's too close to call IMO. Itoje, also, seems a bit childish in Hartley mode - winds up the opposition instead of just getting on with the game. He needs to grow up, a little. In this discussion, Henderson may not be out of the frame - he's been getting better.

subs: Warburton not guaranteed a bench place - maybe Stander will get the place, especially if Warbs is not considered fit enough.







Totally agree with your starting 15 Aber. Bench also with a lot of discussion about Warburton or Stander & Liam or Daly. Liam could do with a stormer tomorrow. 
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For me, if Farrell is fit for the first test, I see no need to start with Halfpenny. Farrell is a high percentage goal kicker and the Lions will benefit from a FB that offers something in attack. A toss up between Watson and Liam I think.

But Gats will pick 1/2Penny. Lets see if it pays off.
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Originally posted by PritchyTheScarlet PritchyTheScarlet wrote:

For me, if Farrell is fit for the first test, I see no need to start with Halfpenny. Farrell is a high percentage goal kicker and the Lions will benefit from a FB that offers something in attack. A toss up between Watson and Liam I think.

But Gats will pick 1/2Penny. Lets see if it pays off.

Halfpenny will be in as Farrell is not a great goal kicker from distance. a penalty on the halfway line etc could be a match winning scenario. 
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Originally posted by PritchyTheScarlet PritchyTheScarlet wrote:

For me, if Farrell is fit for the first test, I see no need to start with Halfpenny. Farrell is a high percentage goal kicker and the Lions will benefit from a FB that offers something in attack. A toss up between Watson and Liam I think.

But Gats will pick 1/2Penny. Lets see if it pays off.

Farrell has - unusually - not been very reliable from the tee this tour, and has missed some pretty easy kicks. He also lacks 1/2p's range... besides, no other potential 15 can claim to have had such an error-free tour as 1/2p. I'll be very surprised if he's not in the 15. (Might Farrell's injury be a risk for kicking? I'm not sure which leg he hurt.)
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Liam is also a high percentage kicker 😋😋 and a better attacker!
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Whats the chances of sanjay (Liam williams) making the Lions team or bench this weekend?

He's up against Daly, hapenny, North, Nowell, Watson

How did you think today went, it appeared to me he made a fair few errors in the first half but really shone in the second with lovely angles of running and offloads

Hes had a good season, scored a fair few tries and created a lot too...He did well in New Zealand last year too, he certainly has that x factor that makes things happen, but conversely he makes a lot of errors too and seems to be trying too hard at times, as we saw with his yellow card etc
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Whats the chances of sanjay (Liam williams) making the Lions team or bench this weekend?

He's up against Daly, hapenny, North, Nowell, Watson

How did you think today went, it appeared to me he made a fair few errors in the first half but really shone in the second with lovely angles of running and offloads

Hes had a good season, scored a fair few tries and created a lot too...He did well in New Zealand last year too, he certainly has that x factor that makes things happen, but conversely he makes a lot of errors too and seems to be trying too hard at times, as we saw with his yellow card etc

Well Roy I can't see him edging out Daly for the 23 spot for the 1st test. His 2nd half performance was great today rather disproving Gatland's theory that he is a better winger on account of the fact that he rarely passes the ball!!! On countless occasions he classically drew his man and put a team mate in space. He would be my 15 on Saturday but I am well biased!!!!

Apparently the forecast is for heavy weather on Saturday which further cements Halfpenny at 15. The Lions will go for low risk direct confrontation through the forwards putting huge emphasis on the set piece with Murray controlling the air & our chasers setting the tone for brutal gainline defence. To be fair to Gatland he has identified possibly the only way they can beat the AB's. Something akin to what Ireland achieved in Chicago. He will really hope that our front row can gain the ascendancy, Kruis Otoje & O'Mahoney the lineout & Halfpenny can show his undoubted superiority to Barrett from the tee. They will need to score 2/3 tries at least but are more than capable of doing that through the forwards. It ain't going to be pretty but who cares if they achieve something very special. 

I suppose the million dollar question is are our forwards that much better than the AB's????
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