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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2014 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by DropOut22 DropOut22 wrote:

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we should have beaten them away as well but the Welsh ref bottled it when there was a knock on that they scored from 

in fairness nige was tucked up by the munster tmo.



He could see it on the big screen and could've over ruled the tmo

No screen in Musgrave is there?

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Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeM MikeM wrote:

we should have beaten them away as well but the Welsh ref bottled it when there was a knock on that they scored from 


in fairness nige was tucked up by the munster tmo.




A couple of our centres didn't forgive his as easily at a social event they were all at the following weekend.

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One of the problems with most refs is that they have an emotional bias to teams or countries. For instance having an Irish ref refereeing an Irish side is asking for trouble. Unfortunately Welsh refs don't seem to "return the favour" to our teams thinking that to prove their impartiality they've got to be strict on Welsh sides.
 Nigel Davies may be the best ref in the world if you want to watch attractive rugby but he's never done us any favours, always seeming to favour the opposition.Possibly this is because he lives in the region and is afraid of being accused of bias. It's a very difficult position when you have to make instant decisions (or slow down the game by continually calling in the video ref) and the breakdown for instance is such a mess that quite often decisions could go either way. With two finely balanced teams opposing each other the ref often decides who wins and without neutral refs  it's often going to be difficult getting a result. I  even think that English refs would give us a fairer crack of the whip in the Rabo.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Why Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:01am
It's quite simple really apart from derbies ref and officials should not be from either sides countries
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:25am
Originally posted by MikeM MikeM wrote:

Originally posted by DropOut22 DropOut22 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeM MikeM wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeM MikeM wrote:

we should have beaten them away as well but the Welsh ref bottled it when there was a knock on that they scored from 

in fairness nige was tucked up by the munster tmo.



He could see it on the big screen and could've over ruled the tmo

No screen in Musgrave is there?

Doh!


I think Nigel Owens was very badly served by his assistants in that match - as far as I remember, Rob Evans was wrongly sent to the bin for tipping up a Munster jumper at a lineout, when in fact the player was dropped onto Rob's back by his lifters. This is what cost us the game, as we hat to play a man short (soon to be 2 short) and also field position. The Evans yellow card came as a result of a recommendation by the asistant ref, I think - didn't it? And if it didn't - he should have told NO he'd got it wrong!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:27am
Originally posted by omri jones omri jones wrote:

One of the problems with most refs is that they have an emotional bias to teams or countries. For instance having an Irish ref refereeing an Irish side is asking for trouble. Unfortunately Welsh refs don't seem to "return the favour" to our teams thinking that to prove their impartiality they've got to be strict on Welsh sides.
 Nigel Davies may be the best ref in the world if you want to watch attractive rugby but he's never done us any favours, always seeming to favour the opposition.Possibly this is because he lives in the region and is afraid of being accused of bias. It's a very difficult position when you have to make instant decisions (or slow down the game by continually calling in the video ref) and the breakdown for instance is such a mess that quite often decisions could go either way. With two finely balanced teams opposing each other the ref often decides who wins and without neutral refs  it's often going to be difficult getting a result. I  even think that English refs would give us a fairer crack of the whip in the Rabo.


Nigel Owens!

He's an excellent ref, but for whatever reason, we have had the rough end of several decisions off him in recent seasons - though often these were on the recommendation of his assistants. We deserve some luck with NO decisions in future!
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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

It's quite simple really apart from derbies ref and officials should not be from either sides countries
 
In theory that is a great idea.  However, arguments sake we get to the playoff (or even the final) and are drawn away against one of the big Irish sides, would you really want to have a Scottish or Italian ref?  Surely a top WRU/IRFU ref, even allowing for a bias, is a far better option.  After all that is why we ditched the neutral ref thing, we were getting tired of Chanleng Bros ruining any chances we had of beating the Irish.
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Originally posted by ScarletSpiderman ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

It's quite simple really apart from derbies ref and officials should not be from either sides countries
 
In theory that is a great idea.  However, arguments sake we get to the playoff (or even the final) and are drawn away against one of the big Irish sides, would you really want to have a Scottish or Italian ref?  Surely a top WRU/IRFU ref, even allowing for a bias, is a far better option.  After all that is why we ditched the neutral ref thing, we were getting tired of Chanleng Bros ruining any chances we had of beating the Irish.


There are also an imbalance of the number of Referees supplied by each country in the Rabo ... Welsh / Irish outnumber the Scots/Italian refs.
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Originally posted by omri jones omri jones wrote:

One of the problems with most refs is that they have an emotional bias to teams or countries. For instance having an Irish ref refereeing an Irish side is asking for trouble. Unfortunately Welsh refs don't seem to "return the favour" to our teams thinking that to prove their impartiality they've got to be strict on Welsh sides.
 Nigel Davies may be the best ref in the world if you want to watch attractive rugby but he's never done us any favours, always seeming to favour the opposition.Possibly this is because he lives in the region and is afraid of being accused of bias. It's a very difficult position when you have to make instant decisions (or slow down the game by continually calling in the video ref) and the breakdown for instance is such a mess that quite often decisions could go either way. With two finely balanced teams opposing each other the ref often decides who wins and without neutral refs  it's often going to be difficult getting a result. I  even think that English refs would give us a fairer crack of the whip in the Rabo.
Sorry Nigel Owens. But you knew who I meant without even getting his name right - must be an obvious
aspect of his refereeing! 
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