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apparently includes the closure of Schaeffler in Llanelli, with the loss of 250 jobs:


"Around 250 jobs are at risk in south Wales after a multi-national company said it was closing one of its sites, due to 'uncertainty surrounding Brexit'.

Schaeffler, which supplies automotive and industrial parts all over the world, is to close its Llanelli plant, while retaining its biggest UK base in Sheffield. 

The company said it wanted to relocate production to other plants in the US, China, South Korea and Germany."

The need for accuracy means that I also include this 'excuse quote' for Brexiters:

"Explaining the decision, the company’s Regional CEO for Europe, Juergen Ziegler, said that while Brexit was not the only reason behind the decision to close two sites, it had “brought forward” their decision."

In the meantime, serial liar Aaron Banks is being run down:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46109883

Pro-Brexit campaign group Leave.EU and an insurance company owned by its founder Arron Banks face total fines of £135,000 over breaches of data laws.

(Basically, Banks used the Leave.EU subscribers a bribe in the form of a cut in insurance rates.)

It's a pity Boris and Farage are not being charged with 'something' as well, considering all the lies they came out with - who came up with the joke figure of £350 million a week for the NHS?

No doubt someone can come up with a 'reason' why we should go ahead with Brexit  - but it won't be a good one. Maybe a racist 'keep the wogs out' effort, along the lines of Trump's current campaign?





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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

apparently includes the closure of Schaeffler in Llanelli, with the loss of 250 jobs:


"Around 250 jobs are at risk in south Wales after a multi-national company said it was closing one of its sites, due to 'uncertainty surrounding Brexit'.

Schaeffler, which supplies automotive and industrial parts all over the world, is to close its Llanelli plant, while retaining its biggest UK base in Sheffield. 

The company said it wanted to relocate production to other plants in the US, China, South Korea and Germany."

The need for accuracy means that I also include this 'excuse quote' for Brexiters:

"Explaining the decision, the company’s Regional CEO for Europe, Juergen Ziegler, said that while Brexit was not the only reason behind the decision to close two sites, it had “brought forward” their decision."

In the meantime, serial liar Aaron Banks is being run down:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46109883

Pro-Brexit campaign group Leave.EU and an insurance company owned by its founder Arron Banks face total fines of £135,000 over breaches of data laws.

(Basically, Banks used the Leave.EU subscribers a bribe in the form of a cut in insurance rates.)

It's a pity Boris and Farage are not being charged with 'something' as well, considering all the lies they came out with - who came up with the joke figure of £350 million a week for the NHS?

No doubt someone can come up with a 'reason' why we should go ahead with Brexit  - but it won't be a good one. Maybe a racist 'keep the wogs out' effort, along the lines of Trump's current campaign?



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Oh, and some more Brexit bonus good news hot off the presses - though not local to Llanelli:


Dundee Michelin factory workers have spoken of their shock after the company announced its intention to close the plant, with the loss of all 845 jobs. 

The tyre factory will close by mid-2020 after the French firm deemed it "unsuitable" in the current climate.



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Meanwhile, Tory Brexit supporters make it clear that they don't give a tuppeny damn for the continued integrity of the UK (they could not care less if the Scots leave), or what is even more disgusting, they could not care if the peace process in NI comes to an end as a result:


So much for what used to be called the 'Conservative AND UNIONIST party'! I would be interested to hear HM the Queen's views on the current Tory party and its supporters (of course, I'm a republican, but embarrassment of Tories and royalty is always an occasion for a degree of schadenfreude.)

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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Oh, and some more Brexit bonus good news hot off the presses - though not local to Llanelli:


Dundee Michelin factory workers have spoken of their shock after the company announced its intention to close the plant, with the loss of all 845 jobs. 

The tyre factory will close by mid-2020 after the French firm deemed it "unsuitable" in the current climate.




The michelin factory closure had nothing whatsoever to do with brexit though.
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52 % will agree and 48% won’t!   It’s all done now anyway. BBC business news just pointed out that the company sells. 85% of parts to the EU which tells you something and companies want friction free sales zones so I know who has killed this 60 year old enterprise in Llanelli. Bet Boris and Moggy and Farage are gutted 😂

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Originally posted by redeyes redeyes wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Oh, and some more Brexit bonus good news hot off the presses - though not local to Llanelli:


Dundee Michelin factory workers have spoken of their shock after the company announced its intention to close the plant, with the loss of all 845 jobs. 

The tyre factory will close by mid-2020 after the French firm deemed it "unsuitable" in the current climate.




The michelin factory closure had nothing whatsoever to do with brexit though.

I'm not convinced... 
 


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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by redeyes redeyes wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Oh, and some more Brexit bonus good news hot off the presses - though not local to Llanelli:


Dundee Michelin factory workers have spoken of their shock after the company announced its intention to close the plant, with the loss of all 845 jobs. 

The tyre factory will close by mid-2020 after the French firm deemed it "unsuitable" in the current climate.




The michelin factory closure had nothing whatsoever to do with brexit though.

I'm not convinced... 
 


John Reid, factory manager at Michelin Dundee, said: "I have been part of Michelin Dundee for 26 years and I am very proud of the hard work and dedication shown by the team here.

"This factory has faced incredibly tough challenges before and we have come through thanks to the hard work and flexibility of our people and the union, and the backing of the Michelin Group.

"However, the market for the smaller tyres we make has changed dramatically and permanently, and the company has to address these structural changes.

"The proposals are nothing to do with the UK's decision to leave the EU, and they are absolutely not a reflection of the performance of the plant or the people who have worked so hard here for so many years."


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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

apparently includes the closure of Schaeffler in Llanelli, with the loss of 250 jobs:


"<span style="color: rgb20, 20, 20; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; : transparent;">Around 250 jobs are at risk in south Wales after a multi-national company said it was closing one of its sites, due to 'uncertainty surrounding Brexit'.</span>
<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;">Schaeffler, which supplies automotive and industrial parts all over the world, is to close its Llanelli plant, while retaining its biggest UK base in Sheffield. 

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;">The company said it wanted to relocate production to other plants in the US, China, South Korea and Germany."

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;"><span style="font-size: small; : transparent;">The need for accuracy means that I also include this 'excuse quote' for Brexiters:</span>

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;">"Explaining the decision, the company’s Regional CEO for Europe, Juergen Ziegler, said that while Brexit was not the only reason behind the decision to close two sites, it had “brought forward” their decision."

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;">In the meantime, serial liar Aaron Banks is being run down:

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46109883

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;"><span style="color: rgb64, 64, 64; font-family: Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Pro-Brexit campaign group Leave.EU and an insurance company owned by its founder Arron Banks face total fines of £135,000 over breaches of data laws.</span>

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;"><span style="color: rgb64, 64, 64; font-family: Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">(Basically, Banks used the Leave.EU subscribers a bribe in the form of a cut in insurance rates.)</span>

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;"><span style="color: rgb64, 64, 64; font-family: Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">It's a pity Boris and Farage are not being charged with 'something' as well, considering all the lies they came out with - who came up with the joke figure of £350 million a week for the NHS?</span>

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;"><span style="color: rgb64, 64, 64; font-family: Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">No doubt someone can come up with a 'reason' why we should go ahead with Brexit  - but it won't be a good one. Maybe a racist 'keep the wogs out' effort, along the lines of Trump's current campaign?</span>

<p style=": transparent; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 23px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; font-family: ' Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb20, 20, 20; line-height: 1.8;"><span style="color: rgb64, 64, 64; font-family: Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold;">
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Must be Brexit, because after all, as the article says, they are moving production to eu countries like Germany, China, USA and South Korea....... Oh wait. You mean to say that China, USA and South Korea aren't in the eu?

Fake news bull#*%t at it's finest.

Instead try cheap labour and production costs for far east, and avoidance of US import duties (recently increased by Trump to break the eu/German protectionism) for US engineering production.
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They interviewed the people working there and none of them blamed Brexit, they stated things weren't looking good there a while back mainly because petrol and diesel engines have started to be phased out in pursuit of green engines
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Fake news to bash on brexit. Any excuse to move their business abroad for cheap af Labor.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

apparently includes the closure of Schaeffler in Llanelli, with the loss of 250 jobs:


"Around 250 jobs are at risk in south Wales after a multi-national company said it was closing one of its sites, due to 'uncertainty surrounding Brexit'.

Schaeffler, which supplies automotive and industrial parts all over the world, is to close its Llanelli plant, while retaining its biggest UK base in Sheffield. 

The company said it wanted to relocate production to other plants in the US, China, South Korea and Germany."

The need for accuracy means that I also include this 'excuse quote' for Brexiters:

"Explaining the decision, the company’s Regional CEO for Europe, Juergen Ziegler, said that while Brexit was not the only reason behind the decision to close two sites, it had “brought forward” their decision."

In the meantime, serial liar Aaron Banks is being run down:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46109883

Pro-Brexit campaign group Leave.EU and an insurance company owned by its founder Arron Banks face total fines of £135,000 over breaches of data laws.

(Basically, Banks used the Leave.EU subscribers a bribe in the form of a cut in insurance rates.)

It's a pity Boris and Farage are not being charged with 'something' as well, considering all the lies they came out with - who came up with the joke figure of £350 million a week for the NHS?

No doubt someone can come up with a 'reason' why we should go ahead with Brexit  - but it won't be a good one. Maybe a racist 'keep the wogs out' effort, along the lines of Trump's current campaign?



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I was thinking recently about how, in a capitalist economy, it is simply about 'growth' at all costs. And even the question why is it a good thing GDP increases? As a metric I would have thought wealth equality or even happiness to be far better factors to judge how 'well' a country is doing and how attractive it is to remain living there. But no, it is all about whether other seriously rich countries/people/companies wish to invest further in your country, thus continuing this rather odd cycle of increasing wealth/GDP for the sake of it.

This is so ingrained within the capitalist dogma that I think many - particularly those at the top and in the House of Commons - would laugh at me or simply not understand. But then GDP and wealth literally buys international power and influence, so perhaps that's what it's all about. The US is a good example of this as they clearly do not give a crap about their own citizens and have huge issues with poverty, homelessness, inequality, racism, crime you name it. I think it also reflects a shift: Governments and politicians now serve business. They attempt to regulate them maybe, such as pleeeease pay tax Google, but we know who needs who more and also that the interests of business certainly aren't that of the country they are in, let alone the people of that country.

This article (yes, in the Guardian) brought parts of this to my attention:


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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

apparently includes the closure of Schaeffler in Llanelli, with the loss of 250 jobs:


"Around 250 jobs are at risk in south Wales after a multi-national company said it was closing one of its sites, due to 'uncertainty surrounding Brexit'.

Schaeffler, which supplies automotive and industrial parts all over the world, is to close its Llanelli plant, while retaining its biggest UK base in Sheffield. 

The company said it wanted to relocate production to other plants in the US, China, South Korea and Germany."

The need for accuracy means that I also include this 'excuse quote' for Brexiters:

"Explaining the decision, the company’s Regional CEO for Europe, Juergen Ziegler, said that while Brexit was not the only reason behind the decision to close two sites, it had “brought forward” their decision."

In the meantime, serial liar Aaron Banks is being run down:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46109883

Pro-Brexit campaign group Leave.EU and an insurance company owned by its founder Arron Banks face total fines of £135,000 over breaches of data laws.

(Basically, Banks used the Leave.EU subscribers a bribe in the form of a cut in insurance rates.)

It's a pity Boris and Farage are not being charged with 'something' as well, considering all the lies they came out with - who came up with the joke figure of £350 million a week for the NHS?

No doubt someone can come up with a 'reason' why we should go ahead with Brexit  - but it won't be a good one. Maybe a racist 'keep the wogs out' effort, along the lines of Trump's current campaign?



WOW! how did that get past the mods?

You do, of course, understand my point that many people who voted for Brexit did so for precisely that reason - even though it'll cost us economically. Trump has been using a (much cruder) approach in America, before yesterday's elections. 
You will of course also understand, if you read what I wrote, that it is an attitude I abhor.

(I do not say 'ALL' Brexit voters are racist, as that clearly would not be true or accurate... it is, nevertheless, a strong driver for many pro-Brexit voters.)
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I was thinking recently about how, in a capitalist economy, it is simply about 'growth' at all costs. And even the question why is it a good thing GDP increases? As a metric I would have thought wealth equality or even happiness to be far better factors to judge how 'well' a country is doing and how attractive it is to remain living there. But no, it is all about whether other seriously rich countries/people/companies wish to invest further in your country, thus continuing this rather odd cycle of increasing wealth/GDP for the sake of it.

This is so ingrained within the capitalist dogma that I think many - particularly those at the top and in the House of Commons - would laugh at me or simply not understand. But then GDP and wealth literally buys international power and influence, so perhaps that's what it's all about. The US is a good example of this as they clearly do not give a crap about their own citizens and have huge issues with poverty, homelessness, inequality, racism, crime you name it. I think it also reflects a shift: Governments and politicians now serve business. They attempt to regulate them maybe, such as pleeeease pay tax Google, but we know who needs who more and also that the interests of business certainly aren't that of the country they are in, let alone the people of that country.

This article (yes, in the Guardian) brought parts of this to my attention:



Of course, you are 100% correct in you analysis.

The very rich are making fools of the rest of us, as they have the top politicians in their pockets (you only need to look at how such people - and top civil servants and top military bods) - move on to very well paid jobs when they quit, usually jobs that require minimal time and effort. 

The very rich also control most of the newspapers, and are themselves tax dodgers, so it's no surprise that their PoV is the one pushed in the papers... since it suits their purpose to weaken regulation in the UK, to make money laundering and tax dodging easier, these papers supported Brexit. And people believe what they read, more's the pity!

If only more read Private Eye (for example) they would know what a horribly corrupt country the UK has become.
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The vast majority of our work is exported outside Europe (yes i work there. For now.) During the meeting they only briefly mentioned brexit. The media make out it was the main reason. I think they’re using those headlines just to be topical. Mechanical tappets are also being phased out because the future is electric and hybrid cars. So the writing has been on the cards way before brexit.

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