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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

shes clearly bitter and accuses starmer of hypocrisy as she claims he voted down her so so called better deal
The key area it seems up in the air is the deal on services? can anyone cast light on this pls?
Yes, the EU wants to wait to find out how far the UK intends to deviate from EU regulations before deciding on a trade agreement for services.  This is huge. If we depart too far from EU regulations, we will have to pay for it or at least our services sector will have to pay for it.  

So we've taken back control then ????? As long as we don't trade with the EU of course !


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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

shes clearly bitter and accuses starmer of hypocrisy as she claims he voted down her so so called better deal
The key area it seems up in the air is the deal on services? can anyone cast light on this pls?
Yes, the EU wants to wait to find out how far the UK intends to deviate from EU regulations before deciding on a trade agreement for services.  This is huge. If we depart too far from EU regulations, we will have to pay for it or at least our services sector will have to pay for it.  

So we've taken back control then ????? As long as we don't trade with the EU of course !
It's our sovereign choice mun. 

Fact is, Brexit isn't really done.  Boris left out the really difficult deals in order to get something through before the end of the year.  The difficult areas will be left for another day.


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Oh Dear, Terresa May has just told the House of Commons that her deal was better than Boris' deal. Embarrassed

Yes, I chuckled at that. Her deal was disastrous, virtually nobody thought that it was a good deal, on either side of the debate. Most Brexiteers saw it as Brexit in name only, had that gone through this Brexit row would have rumbled on for years and years to come (although admittedly it still might!).
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Well it really does amuse me reading opinions on this deal from posters who in all probability haven't seen the text. As for the relevant merits of May's deal & Boris' what strikes me is the fact that the very influential & anti Europe ERG group threw out May's deal while welcoming Boris'. Suggests to me that she may be wrong.

As for financial services - you know the people those corrupt greedy bankers and city traders, many of whom should have been doing porridge post 2008 - don't fret too much about their financial futures. The City of London is recognised the World over as one of the leading financial centres in the World and that won't be changing anytime soon. In all honesty, for the sake of Boris' levelling up agenda, it would be a blessing if their sphere of influence/corruption was curtailed somewhat. 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/mcdonalds-warns-customers-menu-items-19537902

Pretty much a non story. Would improve the nations health immediately if they had to close permanently. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/mcdonalds-warns-customers-menu-items-19537902

Pretty much a non story. Would improve the nations health immediately if they had to close permanently. 

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[QUOTE=ap sior]https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/mcdonalds-warns-customers-menu-items-19537902

Pretty much a non story. Would improve the nations health immediately if they had to close permanently. 
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Well it really does amuse me reading opinions on this deal from posters who in all probability haven't seen the text. As for the relevant merits of May's deal & Boris' what strikes me is the fact that the very influential & anti Europe ERG group threw out May's deal while welcoming Boris'. Suggests to me that she may be wrong.

As for financial services - you know the people those corrupt greedy bankers and city traders, many of whom should have been doing porridge post 2008 - don't fret too much about their financial futures. The City of London is recognised the World over as one of the leading financial centres in the World and that won't be changing anytime soon. In all honesty, for the sake of Boris' levelling up agenda, it would be a blessing if their sphere of influence/corruption was curtailed somewhat. 
But it’s not just financial services, it’s all services. The services sector which accounts for 80% of the UK economy was largely left out of the Brexit deal.  All thats been agreed is to eliminate tariffs and quotas on goods, so that Boris could stand up and say there are no tariffs (...but he forgot to add that it's only been agreed for 20% of our economy).
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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well it really does amuse me reading opinions on this deal from posters who in all probability haven't seen the text. As for the relevant merits of May's deal & Boris' what strikes me is the fact that the very influential & anti Europe ERG group threw out May's deal while welcoming Boris'. Suggests to me that she may be wrong.

As for financial services - you know the people those corrupt greedy bankers and city traders, many of whom should have been doing porridge post 2008 - don't fret too much about their financial futures. The City of London is recognised the World over as one of the leading financial centres in the World and that won't be changing anytime soon. In all honesty, for the sake of Boris' levelling up agenda, it would be a blessing if their sphere of influence/corruption was curtailed somewhat. 
But it’s not just financial services, it’s all services. The services sector which accounts for 80% of the UK economy was largely left out of the Brexit deal.  All thats been agreed is to eliminate tariffs and quotas on goods, so that Boris could stand up and say there are no tariffs (...but he forgot to add that it's only been agreed for 20% of our economy).

80% really? I'm a bit thick with economics but what is within the services sector again? If that includes bankers and the City I can believe that, but their salaries are grossly inflated and their positive contribution to the UK I suspect is overestimated. And what sort of percentage of our economy is our manufacturing sector then?

I agree the City of London is a leading financial centre and all that comes with that: tax-dodging, corruption, greed, wealth inequality, lack of responsibility, no accountability, no interest in improving the country only making more money for themselves and their shareholders. This, essentially, is the basis of the current Conservative Party as well, or should I say their backers who prop up the politicians. All I want is it to be regulated, people to pay their taxes, and some sort of accountability for their actions. I dread to think of the international money "passing through" London or invested in property by rich British/Internationals.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well it really does amuse me reading opinions on this deal from posters who in all probability haven't seen the text. As for the relevant merits of May's deal & Boris' what strikes me is the fact that the very influential & anti Europe ERG group threw out May's deal while welcoming Boris'. Suggests to me that she may be wrong.

As for financial services - you know the people those corrupt greedy bankers and city traders, many of whom should have been doing porridge post 2008 - don't fret too much about their financial futures. The City of London is recognised the World over as one of the leading financial centres in the World and that won't be changing anytime soon. In all honesty, for the sake of Boris' levelling up agenda, it would be a blessing if their sphere of influence/corruption was curtailed somewhat. 
But it’s not just financial services, it’s all services. The services sector which accounts for 80% of the UK economy was largely left out of the Brexit deal.  All thats been agreed is to eliminate tariffs and quotas on goods, so that Boris could stand up and say there are no tariffs (...but he forgot to add that it's only been agreed for 20% of our economy).

80% really? I'm a bit thick with economics but what is within the services sector again? If that includes bankers and the City I can believe that, but their salaries are grossly inflated and their positive contribution to the UK I suspect is overestimated. And what sort of percentage of our economy is our manufacturing sector then?

I agree the City of London is a leading financial centre and all that comes with that: tax-dodging, corruption, greed, wealth inequality, lack of responsibility, no accountability, no interest in improving the country only making more money for themselves and their shareholders. This, essentially, is the basis of the current Conservative Party as well, or should I say their backers who prop up the politicians. All I want is it to be regulated, people to pay their taxes, and some sort of accountability for their actions. I dread to think of the international money "passing through" London or invested in property by rich British/Internationals.
The service industries include retail, the financial, the public sector, business administration, leisure and cultural activities. All professional services like Engineering consultancies etc.

Manufacturing is around 17% of our economy.


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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

The service industries include retail, the financial, the public sector, business administration, leisure and cultural activities. All professional services like Engineering consultancies etc.

Manufacturing is around 17% of our economy.

Thanks. How does that compare to Germany and France out of curiosity?
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well it really does amuse me reading opinions on this deal from posters who in all probability haven't seen the text. As for the relevant merits of May's deal & Boris' what strikes me is the fact that the very influential & anti Europe ERG group threw out May's deal while welcoming Boris'. Suggests to me that she may be wrong.

As for financial services - you know the people those corrupt greedy bankers and city traders, many of whom should have been doing porridge post 2008 - don't fret too much about their financial futures. The City of London is recognised the World over as one of the leading financial centres in the World and that won't be changing anytime soon. In all honesty, for the sake of Boris' levelling up agenda, it would be a blessing if their sphere of influence/corruption was curtailed somewhat. 
But it’s not just financial services, it’s all services. The services sector which accounts for 80% of the UK economy was largely left out of the Brexit deal.  All thats been agreed is to eliminate tariffs and quotas on goods, so that Boris could stand up and say there are no tariffs (...but he forgot to add that it's only been agreed for 20% of our economy).

80% really? I'm a bit thick with economics but what is within the services sector again? If that includes bankers and the City I can believe that, but their salaries are grossly inflated and their positive contribution to the UK I suspect is overestimated. And what sort of percentage of our economy is our manufacturing sector then?

I agree the City of London is a leading financial centre and all that comes with that: tax-dodging, corruption, greed, wealth inequality, lack of responsibility, no accountability, no interest in improving the country only making more money for themselves and their shareholders. This, essentially, is the basis of the current Conservative Party as well, or should I say their backers who prop up the politicians. All I want is it to be regulated, people to pay their taxes, and some sort of accountability for their actions. I dread to think of the international money "passing through" London or invested in property by rich British/Internationals.

I doubt that Brexit will do anything to resolve the issues you mention above. If anything it will make matters worse if you have a party that is financed by such backers. In fact perhaps the ECJ would have been a way of holding these sorts to account.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

The service industries include retail, the financial, the public sector, business administration, leisure and cultural activities. All professional services like Engineering consultancies etc.

Manufacturing is around 17% of our economy.

Thanks. How does that compare to Germany and France out of curiosity?
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Services sector in France and Germany is around 70%

German Manufacturing 20%
France manufactruring 10%
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well it really does amuse me reading opinions on this deal from posters who in all probability haven't seen the text. As for the relevant merits of May's deal & Boris' what strikes me is the fact that the very influential & anti Europe ERG group threw out May's deal while welcoming Boris'. Suggests to me that she may be wrong.

As for financial services - you know the people those corrupt greedy bankers and city traders, many of whom should have been doing porridge post 2008 - don't fret too much about their financial futures. The City of London is recognised the World over as one of the leading financial centres in the World and that won't be changing anytime soon. In all honesty, for the sake of Boris' levelling up agenda, it would be a blessing if their sphere of influence/corruption was curtailed somewhat. 
But it’s not just financial services, it’s all services. The services sector which accounts for 80% of the UK economy was largely left out of the Brexit deal.  All thats been agreed is to eliminate tariffs and quotas on goods, so that Boris could stand up and say there are no tariffs (...but he forgot to add that it's only been agreed for 20% of our economy).

80% really? I'm a bit thick with economics but what is within the services sector again? If that includes bankers and the City I can believe that, but their salaries are grossly inflated and their positive contribution to the UK I suspect is overestimated. And what sort of percentage of our economy is our manufacturing sector then?

I agree the City of London is a leading financial centre and all that comes with that: tax-dodging, corruption, greed, wealth inequality, lack of responsibility, no accountability, no interest in improving the country only making more money for themselves and their shareholders. This, essentially, is the basis of the current Conservative Party as well, or should I say their backers who prop up the politicians. All I want is it to be regulated, people to pay their taxes, and some sort of accountability for their actions. I dread to think of the international money "passing through" London or invested in property by rich British/Internationals.

I doubt that Brexit will do anything to resolve the issues you mention above. If anything it will make matters worse if you have a party that is financed by such backers. In fact perhaps the ECJ would have been a way of holding these sorts to account.

This was my view on Brexit as well for this issue, however, it has happened and it's not getting us anywhere blaming Brexit now. I would update your post to "I doubt that the current Conservative party will do anything to resolve the issues" as a future government (yes, even Conservative) with a different opinion still could. But yes, I suspect Brexit will provide the opportunity for things to get worse but that is unknown yet. I do think we have to break the influence of the rich in funding both the Conservative Party and also majority of the media somehow. Not enough people care or understand this, unfortunately, which is why I really think education needs to be improved as we are all manipulated too easily.
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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

The service industries include retail, the financial, the public sector, business administration, leisure and cultural activities. All professional services like Engineering consultancies etc.

Manufacturing is around 17% of our economy.

Thanks. How does that compare to Germany and France out of curiosity?
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Services sector in France and Germany is around 70%

German Manufacturing 20%
France manufactruring 10%

Sorry! 

France is as low as 10%?! I suppose their tourism (services) is massive as it is the most-visited country in the world, apparently. If Germany is 20% then we're not actually that bad... We must be at the point where most (all?) of Western Europe is heavily dependent on Asia, mainly China, for manufacturing now. I read that China will overtake the US as the world's largest economy in 2028... most definitely we are witnessing the changing of the guard, although having a massive military is always useful for world influence. 
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