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We can all make promises we cannot possibly afford/keep. Corbyn gained a lot of support from the younger generation at the last election & will again with promises of higher minimum wages and loan write offs for University students. Pretty standard labour stuff really. Many of his ideas are sound with regard to trying to level a very uneven playing field. The trouble is he doesn't command respect in the country as a politician with principles - he's not alone there!!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 August 2019 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

We can all make promises we cannot possibly afford/keep. Corbyn gained a lot of support from the younger generation at the last election & will again with promises of higher minimum wages and loan write offs for University students. Pretty standard labour stuff really. Many of his ideas are sound with regard to trying to level a very uneven playing field. The trouble is he doesn't command respect in the country as a politician with principles - he's not alone there!!!!!

Im not sure if principles is his problem, its more whether people trust him with the economy and whether these plans are workable
The whole argument over identical pay and no pay gap and means they dont simply want to offer equal opportunities and improve the opportunities for everyone. But they want to go further and control equality of outcome which means fixing the markets. Which  defies economic logic and could prove incredibly burocratic, expensive and self defeating
One argument he needs to make a lot louder is VAT..IF the tories are low tax high growth , pro small business then why is VAT ALWAYS higher under the tories than labour? Thats the biggest anomaly in politics strangely missed by all politicians???
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I’m afraid his principles are in question especially his sycophantic approach to the IRA. He demands a referendum as the people need to be heard.... hello we had one as well as nationalisation of utilities which is banned by the EU it I’d EU riled that prevented the government stepping in to save Port Talbot and the steel works up north.
He is so egotistical that he would rather plunge the country into cchaos just so he could sit in the chair at No.10
Yes Boris is a marmite person but he has highlighted the inept preparation of Mays remainers and their blinkered approach to leaving had we had this sort of approach 2years ago we may well have had a better deal on the table as all options would have been available to us to throw at the EU.
Do I want a deal ....if it’s to our benefit and allows us to deal outside EU yes otherwise no but I certainly do not want Corbyn as prime minister
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Ref: Corbyn and nationalisation.
"He demands a referendum as the people need to be heard.... hello we had one as well as nationalisation of utilities which is banned by the EU it I’d EU riled that prevented the government stepping in to save Port Talbot and the steel works up north"

Unfortunately like many who believe the guff handed out by the likes of the Daily Mail you are wrong about the EU rules and regulations on nationalisation. 

Art. 345 EU law (Treaty of the Functioning of the EU) would not prohibit the Corbyn plan. 

This supposed 'ban' misapplies another provision, Art. 106, a provision which doesn't actually ban nationalised industries. It simply regulates how they can behave in relation to other enterprises. In essence, enterprises with a dominant position in the market due to state action cannot use that position to behave unreasonably. The ECJ will only intervene if Art. 106 is breached.

This is often the case where we have been told one thing by our EU-hostile press and politicians (who don't really understand the detail of the laws they pass) which is more often than not incorrect, incomplete and ill thought through.

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Originally posted by Rubrum Rubrum wrote:

Ref: Corbyn and nationalisation.
"He demands a referendum as the people need to be heard.... hello we had one as well as nationalisation of utilities which is banned by the EU it I’d EU riled that prevented the government stepping in to save Port Talbot and the steel works up north"

Unfortunately like many who believe the guff handed out by the likes of the Daily Mail you are wrong about the EU rules and regulations on nationalisation. 

Art. 345 EU law (Treaty of the Functioning of the EU) would not prohibit the Corbyn plan. 

This supposed 'ban' misapplies another provision, Art. 106, a provision which doesn't actually ban nationalised industries. It simply regulates how they can behave in relation to other enterprises. In essence, enterprises with a dominant position in the market due to state action cannot use that position to behave unreasonably. The ECJ will only intervene if Art. 106 is breached.

This is often the case where we have been told one thing by our EU-hostile press and politicians (who don't really understand the detail of the laws they pass) which is more often than not incorrect, incomplete and ill thought through.


I believe it is allowed to nationalise the railways but not some other sectors like steel. The railways though are facing more privatisation under EU rules in future to improve competitiveness but still most EU countries do have state run railways and low prices. 

In other areas its only in exceptional cases where the commission allows state aid or nationalisation. They have not allowed this in the steel industry etc

I like the idea of nationalising the utilities (electric gas water) and railways. post office too
I dont think these things belong in the private sector. 
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