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If you think corbyn feel bad today, imagine how jo swinson feels today Cry
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well at least that should put an end to this topic!!!!Corbyn has totally messed up the best Socialist chance for years. The sooner he is replaced by a real leader the better. Usually 70+ majorities take two elections to overturn. I am just waiting for the remainers to mention that they want another referendum cos this election wasn't fair. 

We're definitely in 'turkeys voting for Christmas' territory now, IMO, but hey - if that's what people want, good luck to them. 

I do hope they won't mind when we point things out as Brexit continues to be 'negotiated' by Johnson and his band of clowns over the next few years. "Getting Brext done" is another Johnson lie, as all he can deliver is "the end of the beginning" through a parliamentary vote. What follows will be a lengthy and detailed negotiation over the exact terms between the UK government and the EU. Maybe I'm wrong, but somehow I don't see Boris as being someone who is ether hard working or good on detail...

As for the election, it was always going to go that way with Brexit being the main issue emphasised, and Corbyn fence-sitting. (It may be worth pointing out that according to one report, explicitly Brexit-supporting candidates only won 48% of the vote, with 52% going to remain or second referendum parties... not that it matters, now.)

Anyway - we'll see how it pans out. If Brexiters prove to be right, then good. If they are wrong, then we'll point it out in what I hope will be good faith and good humour.




Thats the spirit Aber. A good sense of humour is something we are all going to need in the coming months/years.
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3. Spending per person, 2013/14 to 2017/18 Tables 2 and 3 show public spending per person for each country and region of the UK since 2013/14. Source: HM Treasury, Country and regional analysis: 2018, Table A.4, 20 November 2018 Table 2: Public spending per person, by country and region £ per person, adjusted for inflation 

North East 9,995 9,983 10,096 9,887 9,847 
North West 9,715 9,731 9,827 9,638 9,815 
Yorkshire and The Humber 9,078 9,159 9,205 9,018 8,969 
East Midlands 8,554 8,646 8,608 8,462 8,419 
West Midlands 9,052 9,234 9,077 9,037 8,989 
East 8,299 8,449 8,507 8,307 8,376
 London 10,528 10,395 10,490 10,234 10,323 
South East 8,190 8,188 8,273 8,290 8,297 
South West 8,675 8,778 8,735 8,656 8,616 
England 9,114 9,157 9,192 9,054 9,080 
Scotland 10,791 10,788 10,889 10,808 10,881 
Wales 10,380 10,398 10,410 10,281 10,397 
Northern Ireland 11,575 11,601 11,371 11,220 11,190 
UK identifiable spending 9,385 9,421 9,452 9,318 9,350

According to this wales has the second highest public sector spending per head. 
Yes, but as we can’t control immagration we are full of old English retirees, who obviously pay less in tax, yet need more public spending. Furthermore what this report fails to mention is how much money floods out of our country in FREE water and electricity to serve England.
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

3. Spending per person, 2013/14 to 2017/18 Tables 2 and 3 show public spending per person for each country and region of the UK since 2013/14. Source: HM Treasury, Country and regional analysis: 2018, Table A.4, 20 November 2018 Table 2: Public spending per person, by country and region £ per person, adjusted for inflation 

North East 9,995 9,983 10,096 9,887 9,847 
North West 9,715 9,731 9,827 9,638 9,815 
Yorkshire and The Humber 9,078 9,159 9,205 9,018 8,969 
East Midlands 8,554 8,646 8,608 8,462 8,419 
West Midlands 9,052 9,234 9,077 9,037 8,989 
East 8,299 8,449 8,507 8,307 8,376
 London 10,528 10,395 10,490 10,234 10,323 
South East 8,190 8,188 8,273 8,290 8,297 
South West 8,675 8,778 8,735 8,656 8,616 
England 9,114 9,157 9,192 9,054 9,080 
Scotland 10,791 10,788 10,889 10,808 10,881 
Wales 10,380 10,398 10,410 10,281 10,397 
Northern Ireland 11,575 11,601 11,371 11,220 11,190 
UK identifiable spending 9,385 9,421 9,452 9,318 9,350

According to this wales has the second highest public sector spending per head. 
Yes, but as we can’t control immagration we are full of old English retirees, who obviously pay less in tax, yet need more public spending. Furthermore what this report fails to mention is how much money floods out of our country in FREE water and electricity to serve England.

Indeed its important to get the facts though..alas its difficult to get any figures on our drain of resources to England. 
as for homes do the council still offer discounts on selling homes to tenants who have occupied them for x amount of years?

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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

3. Spending per person, 2013/14 to 2017/18 Tables 2 and 3 show public spending per person for each country and region of the UK since 2013/14. Source: HM Treasury, Country and regional analysis: 2018, Table A.4, 20 November 2018 Table 2: Public spending per person, by country and region £ per person, adjusted for inflation 

North East 9,995 9,983 10,096 9,887 9,847 
North West 9,715 9,731 9,827 9,638 9,815 
Yorkshire and The Humber 9,078 9,159 9,205 9,018 8,969 
East Midlands 8,554 8,646 8,608 8,462 8,419 
West Midlands 9,052 9,234 9,077 9,037 8,989 
East 8,299 8,449 8,507 8,307 8,376
 London 10,528 10,395 10,490 10,234 10,323 
South East 8,190 8,188 8,273 8,290 8,297 
South West 8,675 8,778 8,735 8,656 8,616 
England 9,114 9,157 9,192 9,054 9,080 
Scotland 10,791 10,788 10,889 10,808 10,881 
Wales 10,380 10,398 10,410 10,281 10,397 
Northern Ireland 11,575 11,601 11,371 11,220 11,190 
UK identifiable spending 9,385 9,421 9,452 9,318 9,350

According to this wales has the second highest public sector spending per head. 
Yes, but as we can’t control immagration we are full of old English retirees, who obviously pay less in tax, yet need more public spending. Furthermore what this report fails to mention is how much money floods out of our country in FREE water and electricity to serve England.

Indeed its important to get the facts though..alas its difficult to get any figures on our drain of resources to England. 
as for homes do the council still offer discounts on selling homes to tenants who have occupied them for x amount of years?


The deficit in Government expenditure in Wales is of the UK state's making. Frankly it represents a failure of economic policy. It stems from a negative demographic difference with the UK averages in the 30-50 age bracket and the lowest GVA per Capita in Western Europe. GERW gives a combined figure of £7Bn in lost tax revenues. That's a colossal degree of misgovernance. GERW also states that the current deficit does not reflect the finances of an independent Wales.

Frankly I don't believe anything will improve in Wales until we develop our own political culture and the democratic institutions necessary to exercise our own political agency for our own economic betterment. Sending 40 MP's to Westminster is a futilile exercise. There's no magic bullet here. Just the hard work of establishing a Welsh State. I'd be very happy to see a British federation of States. I just don't see any good arguments in favour of the current Union wrt Wales. 
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After these bleak election results which could easily prompt another "It's
The Sun what won it" headline -although that would be grossly unfair to the rest of the billionaire media and their bosom friends in the BBC who did nothing but continually demonize those working for a fairer society.
When Labour come to chose a successor to Jeremy Corbyn the rump Blairite right of the Labour Party will be all out to choose one of their own. Remember that many of these have often voted and spoken in ways that show that they preferred a brutal neo-liberal Tory govt to a left-wing Corbyn govt.
Another Blaire would be a disaster and would cause total disillusion among those whose class has been most damaged by such governments.
This article appeared yesterday but the election result does not change its truths-

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52695.htm [URL= ][/URL]
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Theres a place in the middle left for labour ...This was an election should have won but their brexit stance confused the masses and sadly they simply didnt speak to or for the biggest employers in the country...the sme's. As boris rightly said many of these voters, voted tory simply to enact brexit and they did so with a  quivering hand , he knows many  are simply borrowed voters and will probably go red again next time. But when they asked lord falconer who should be next leader he said someone respected like emily thornberry ...oh dear. mcdonell said it must be a woman. oh dear. do they not learn, simply choose the best person for the job. if they want to win he she will need to be middle left and have the qualities needed to lead and bring a majority. any names in the hat?
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 Time for Welsh independence 
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Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

 Time for Welsh independence 
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

 Time for Welsh independence 
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Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

 Time for Welsh independence 

My recent experience with WAG was awaiting 20 months for a response to a letter on business rates....The response wasnt worth waiting for...What have they achieved in 20 years to recommend them getting more powers? 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

 Time for Welsh independence 

My recent experience with WAG was awaiting 20 months for a response to a letter on business rates....The response wasnt worth waiting for...What have they achieved in 20 years to recommend them getting more powers? 

The Welsh government is part of the UK state system of government. Scrap the lot and start again. 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

 Time for Welsh independence 

My recent experience with WAG was awaiting 20 months for a response to a letter on business rates....The response wasnt worth waiting for...What have they achieved in 20 years to recommend them getting more powers? 

Precisely Roy you have hit the independence nail firmly on the head. Both the Welsh Government & Corbyn led labour suffer from the same problem - total lack of leadership. Labour's policies at this election or their left wing credentials didn't lose them this election. Their totally muddled stance on Brexit showed a total disregard for the democratic wishes of the British people and from that point they couldn't have won even with a more credible leader. Anyone associated with that policy should not be considered as the next leader. 

If politicians cannot see the evidence which has been placed firmly at their doors by this election result - Labour's hammering, Swinson a leader in waiting apparently a month ago loses her seat, then they never will get it. Why do politicians feel they know better than their electorates? Are we the voters too stupid to understand? Like Boris or loathe him he saw how to win this election and went out and did it; it wasn't even clever just plain common sense. 
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