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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mogwen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2021 at 9:15pm
At this rate the ospreys will have a squad og 60+ and will struggle to give everyone a game, just like us atm.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ladram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2021 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

He's injured isn't he? Probably best not to play in that case. 
never down as unavailable through injury when team is announced and has it been a season long injury?
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Not sure, someone on here mentioned it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dic Penderyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2021 at 9:56pm
As things stand Williams and Davies are automatic selections when they're here,and when they're not there's only 1 centre spot up for grabs as Hughes is then automatic.So he'd be competing for that spot with Tyler Morgan/Asquith/whoever.Can't blame him for going,personally.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletnut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2021 at 11:09pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Kieran Williams is a little pocket rocket by Christ does he run hard.

A lad played 12 in the team I played for was exactly the same and you can’t underestimate the value of such a player

Maybe be need that type of player 

Yes & he's not a one trick pony either - he looks to offload, can pick a pass and has a good rugby brain on him. Someone mentioned that he falls off a few tackles which may be why he isn't in the squad yet. His time will come for sure. 

As for needing that type of player we may have some already in the ranks - Osian Knott & Joe Roberts are very well thought of. Of course they have a different build to Kieran and  are a couple of years behind. He has undoubtedly benefitted from injuries to other centres - Cory Allen & Scott & also having a coach who isn't afraid to back his younger squad players. 

Talk is that Osian has already put pen to paper with the Ospreys.
be interesting to see if a carmarthen family are lifelong osprey fans or maybe they advised him to go somewhere he might get a game.
Confused Osian has had a series of bad knee injuries hence the reason he hasn’t played much for the Scarlets. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2021 at 11:15pm
Knott looks a good young player but injured or not he wont get much game time this season, he has 3 test centres in front of him
Plus one of the coaches favourites and a talented player in asquith, with no a games and no semi pro games. Where will he get game time??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ladram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2021 at 6:00am
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Kieran Williams is a little pocket rocket by Christ does he run hard.

A lad played 12 in the team I played for was exactly the same and you can’t underestimate the value of such a player

Maybe be need that type of player 

Yes & he's not a one trick pony either - he looks to offload, can pick a pass and has a good rugby brain on him. Someone mentioned that he falls off a few tackles which may be why he isn't in the squad yet. His time will come for sure. 

As for needing that type of player we may have some already in the ranks - Osian Knott & Joe Roberts are very well thought of. Of course they have a different build to Kieran and  are a couple of years behind. He has undoubtedly benefitted from injuries to other centres - Cory Allen & Scott & also having a coach who isn't afraid to back his younger squad players. 

Talk is that Osian has already put pen to paper with the Ospreys.
be interesting to see if a carmarthen family are lifelong osprey fans or maybe they advised him to go somewhere he might get a game.
Confused Osian has had a series of bad knee injuries hence the reason he hasn’t played much for the Scarlets. 
unavailable due to injury,osian knott=simples,but once again you don't get the point,was he injured when we took a chance that tyler morgan was fully over his injury problems or are you happy for our home bred talent to be cherry picked by our rivals?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2021 at 6:22am
You could flip your argument and say why, if we new he had no experience, and had a very serious knee injury a year ago, didn't we sign another centre?

Anyone, including us, investing in Osian carries a degree of risk. The Scarlets have been extremely good and considered to both Jac and Osian. This is important to know here I think.

The default setting can't always be 'we messed it up'.

The more concern for me is that other regions are promising game time to lure players....how dumb is that as a plan. You can't blame kids by they way...they just want to play.
We tried that with Parkes and lost Scott.
Same thing will happen in every region. Can you imagine telling Kieran Williams or Watin that they are going to miss out becuase of a pre determined game commitment to a young and un-tried player for the next few games?
You may as well give them an exit letter. Dumb as fook.


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Maybe the Ospreys are just offering an environment where there are no automatic selections and no favourites.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2021 at 8:10am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Maybe the Ospreys are just offering an environment where there are no automatic selections and no favourites.

I seriously hope that a trend is not developing here. With no rugby below pro 14 this season is the one where having a large squad with good young talent all wanting to have games is a liabaility. However all we can do as supporters is trust in the management's ability to do what is best for the squad as a whole. None of us can criticise any player for wanting to leave to further their careers and improve gametime.

Whether that comes to fruition somewhere else remains to be seen of course. I wish them all well. The Scarlets need players totally committed to the cause.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2021 at 8:28am
Yeah Ospreys forum seem to think Knott is a done deal.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletnut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2021 at 8:59am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Kieran Williams is a little pocket rocket by Christ does he run hard.

A lad played 12 in the team I played for was exactly the same and you can’t underestimate the value of such a player

Maybe be need that type of player 

Yes & he's not a one trick pony either - he looks to offload, can pick a pass and has a good rugby brain on him. Someone mentioned that he falls off a few tackles which may be why he isn't in the squad yet. His time will come for sure. 

As for needing that type of player we may have some already in the ranks - Osian Knott & Joe Roberts are very well thought of. Of course they have a different build to Kieran and  are a couple of years behind. He has undoubtedly benefitted from injuries to other centres - Cory Allen & Scott & also having a coach who isn't afraid to back his younger squad players. 

Talk is that Osian has already put pen to paper with the Ospreys.
be interesting to see if a carmarthen family are lifelong osprey fans or maybe they advised him to go somewhere he might get a game.
Confused Osian has had a series of bad knee injuries hence the reason he hasn’t played much for the Scarlets. 
unavailable due to injury,osian knott=simples,but once again you don't get the point,was he injured when we took a chance that tyler morgan was fully over his injury problems or are you happy for our home bred talent to be cherry picked by our rivals?
Maybe we’ve got better players than him? From what I’ve seen Joe Roberts is a better prospect. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dic Penderyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2021 at 9:17am
It could be argued that we are starting to see the problems inherent in the WRU's national contracts.These have allowed a player's market value,in many cases,to be determined by the Welsh management,whilst also determining selection at the regions.All well and good when the players contracted are indisputably the best available for club and country,but problems are bound to arise when they get older,fall out of form,or -as has happened in some cases-simply aren't that good(Rhodri Jones at tight-head is a glaring example).The idea of national contracts was a bit half-baked at the outset,and needs to be replaced with a funding model that allows autonomy for the regions in terms of selection,as well as encouraging the development of a rational market.Favouritism is a different matter altogether,and should simply not exist in a professional environment.
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Joe Roberts is in a similar position to knott, he is 5th (maybe 6th choice centre) and with no a team/ semi pro games he is not playing either
 
Our squad is loaded  with midfield players , I do wonder if we really needed to sign morgan , he doesn't seem able to displace foxy jonny w and stef as one of our first choice centres .
 
Is he better than asquith? and the fact is that by signing him we did take away game chances for the likes of knott and Roberts when our first choices are away with wales or injured
 
He is a very good player but did we need him if we have two players in the academy ready for the first team? I suppose it's all hindsight
 
I know coaches are undre pressue to get results yesterday and It's a difficult choice knowing when to put these youngsters in so I understand the dilemma. Maybe a good idea is to loan them out some where (when does the English championship start) so at least they are playing and not getting bored and frustrated with training and no game time.
 
 
Looking at the ospreys centre options they have Allen Watkin and Scott  as the senior players with Williams  (who does look a good player) wheeler and that young lad Hawkins is it? so they are not short there and as only watkin figures with wales  unless a few of them are leaving in the summer he'll have his work cut out to start there.
 
Moving from us to the ospreys and vice versa or blues to dragons and vice versa is always a safe option for a player.
 
You don't have to move home ,  you don't have to uproot your family ,your not adding a long time to your daily commute, you will know a load of the players already there . You can see why it happens so  often tbh I don't get the friction it causes it is a job to these lads people need to see the bigger picture
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Joe Roberts is in a similar position to knott, he is 5th (maybe 6th choice centre) and with no a team/ semi pro games he is not playing either
 
Our squad is loaded  with midfield players , I do wonder if we really needed to sign morgan , he doesn't seem able to displace foxy jonny w and stef as one of our first choice centres .
 
Is he better than asquith? and the fact is that by signing him we did take away game chances for the likes of knott and Roberts when our first choices are away with wales or injured
 
He is a very good player but did we need him if we have two players in the academy ready for the first team? I suppose it's all hindsight
 
I know coaches are undre pressue to get results yesterday and It's a difficult choice knowing when to put these youngsters in so I understand the dilemma. Maybe a good idea is to loan them out some where (when does the English championship start) so at least they are playing and not getting bored and frustrated with training and no game time
 
 

That is a good idea RR - worked well with Tomi Lewis last season. Things haven't changed since my days - you train in the week and want to pay on Saturdays. Additionally for these young guys is they have been shown they are special talents by being given a professional contract and then they don't get selected. We must all remain patient in a very difficult situation. There must be an opportunity ahead for some A team inter region fixtures.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2021 at 9:34am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

As things stand Williams and Davies are automatic selections when they're here,and when they're not there's only 1 centre spot up for grabs as Hughes is then automatic.So he'd be competing for that spot with Tyler Morgan/Asquith/whoever.Can't blame him for going,personally.


Kieran Williams and Watkin are first choice at the Ospreys, with Tianne Wheeler, Scott and Joe Hawkins next in line.
How is that any different?
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