Scarlet Fever Llanelli Rugby Sport Wales Tickets Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > RUGBY > GENERAL RUGBY
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login


Barry John - Worst columnist ever?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
lofty evans View Drop Down
Rambler
Rambler
Avatar

Joined: 20 September 2007
Location: Bonymaen
Status: Offline
Points: 47755
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lofty evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Barry John - Worst columnist ever?
    Posted: 04 December 2009 at 9:29pm
H is as positive as the posters on here who always take a pop at anything Scarlet, Hook is rubbish, my 20 year old son who plays centre would bury him permanently and bloody good riddence. John's views are more biased than mine,,,
In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Ow! View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 06 March 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 4730
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ow! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 December 2009 at 8:20pm
barry john never offers considered views over time. he's a knee jerk reaction guy whose columns are extremely predictable. i'd like to see the wales on sunday get some new experts on their panel and preferably people currently involved in the game in some capacity or players who have retired this decade. some of these 70s players are given far too much column inches.
Gentlemen, gentlemen, I'll never understand. A world of knowledge at your fingertips, and you play poker all night.










Back to Top
Gate12 View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 10 November 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 13925
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gate12 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 December 2009 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Fine, if you'd go along with dropping Hook totally and playing Stoddart ot FB then bully for you. Agreed it wouldn't improve the forward platform, but then that's not what we're discussing. Would it improve the back play....not fking likely.

 
Already covered why it would improve the back play by having a specialist 15, if you really think that Hook is a better option going forward than Stoddart (or Baz or Dan) then as you say bully for you. The topic is about Barry John's comments in general which are why Wales lost and what they need to do to improve their attack so everything I've said is relevant.
Back to Top
McQ View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 16 January 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1790
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote McQ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 December 2009 at 11:50am

Fine, if you'd go along with dropping Hook totally and playing Stoddart ot FB then bully for you. Agreed it wouldn't improve the forward platform, but then that's not what we're discussing. Would it improve the back play....not fking likely.

Back to Top
Mike View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group


Joined: 16 August 2004
Location: Cardiff
Status: Offline
Points: 21937
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2009 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Jes wept. Is there a cretin filter here somewhere?
 
Why? What he's said is pretty much spot on.
 
Wales must be the only country in the world that sees its rugby team hammered and blames it on a lack of creativity in the backs.
 
Martyn has been bullied pretty much everytime he's come up against a physical SH 7. He used to get owned by Easterby everytime he played at Stradey. Wales shouldn't drop him as he's the best option we have, but the observation is fair IMO.
 
No-one suggests dropping Shane; just that playing two C-Beebies on the wing in Shane and Halfpenny, particularly without power at 15, is going to cause problems. Mark Jones will come straight back into the side when fit, because at test-level he's still a better option than LH.
Back to Top
Gate12 View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 10 November 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 13925
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gate12 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Jes wept. Is there a cretin filter here somewhere?
 
Is that aimed at anyone in particular or just a general observation?
 
Edit: That's a rhetorical question.
 
I assume that Barry John get's paid to give roughly realistic views, I don't think there's many people that would currently see Henson as a realistic option as 12, being as he doesn't play rugby at the moment.
 
Care to comment on the content of the post rather than just fall into your hypothetical filter criteria?
Fine, will do, just after you explain how Ickle is one of Wales' problems and how you reason Dan or Stoddart are anywhere near being international class 15's.
 
How come most of your posts seem to be looking for an argument? if you re-read (or even read it once properly) my post then its fairly obvious where I'm coming from with my views, I'm not saying that Shane is any more the problem than Halfpenny or either are a 'problem', I just personally don't think playing both of them is effective or playing a 15 than can't hit the line, if we had a thoroughly dominant pack and wanted to play boring rugby then Hook might work at 15, but Wales need to score tries and they're not.
 
Stoddart and Dan might be far from the finished articles but they're better 15's than Hook in my opinion, as is Baz.
 
I'm just giving a view on where I think Wales are going wrong and the solutions and don't see why you need to be so insulting and patronising in response without actually giving any reasons for disagreeing.
Back to Top
McQ View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 16 January 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1790
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote McQ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:13pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Jes wept. Is there a cretin filter here somewhere?
 
Is that aimed at anyone in particular or just a general observation?
 
Edit: That's a rhetorical question.
 
I assume that Barry John get's paid to give roughly realistic views, I don't think there's many people that would currently see Henson as a realistic option as 12, being as he doesn't play rugby at the moment.
 
Care to comment on the content of the post rather than just fall into your hypothetical filter criteria?
Fine, will do, just after you explain how Ickle is one of Wales' problems and how you reason Dan or Stoddart are anywhere near being international class 15's.
Back to Top
Gate12 View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 10 November 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 13925
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gate12 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:03pm
Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Jes wept. Is there a cretin filter here somewhere?
 
Is that aimed at anyone in particular or just a general observation?
 
Edit: That's a rhetorical question.
 
I assume that Barry John get's paid to give roughly realistic views, I don't think there's many people that would currently see Henson as a realistic option as 12, being as he doesn't play rugby at the moment.
 
Care to comment on the content of the post rather than just fall into your hypothetical filter criteria?


Edited by Gate12 - 30 November 2009 at 9:19pm
Back to Top
McQ View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 16 January 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1790
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote McQ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:52pm
Jes wept. Is there a cretin filter here somewhere?
Back to Top
Gate12 View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 10 November 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 13925
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gate12 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 8:27pm
Hypothetically if we could get another season out of SQ it would solve a few problems, ain't going to happen though, Henson couldn't get himself on the pitch when all doctors considered him to be fit, now its entirely up to him I really don't see him playing again.
 
Personally I don't see how Hook at 12 is going to help, he hasn't played particularly well there for the Ospreys and the last thing Wales need is a 12 crabbing across the pitch taking up more room and making the right decision 1 in 10 times.
 
I see Wales' problems in the backs as the back 3 (1/2p, Shane and Hook), none of them can hit the line around the 10/12 channel and Hook never hits the outside shoulder of the 13, apart from when Wales can break a game up they offer very little from set pieces or structured play.
 
Wales need an out and out full back (Barry, Dan or Byrne or Morgan when fit) and can only afford one small winger.
 
Getting slammed at the breakdown doesn't help the flow of the backs much either, Wales rarely come out on top when the big teams perform with Martyn at 7, a few glorious failures but his inability to dog it out at the breakdown has been a Welsh problem for a long time, I'm not blaming him entirely as Wales lack ball carriers too but for me its a consistent problem.
Back to Top
McQ View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 16 January 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1790
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote McQ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 6:54pm
Originally posted by redeyes redeyes wrote:

Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Step aside from BJ's comments for a second and just consider if you're happy with the current level of creativity in the backs?

 
That's a fair comment, but suggesting Henson should be playing is bonkers!
He's not playing any rugby at the moment, so how the hell can he be selected for wales?
 
I agree, and therefore I can only assume that BJ talking of a hypothetical 'match fit' Henson. Now that we could do with back.
Back to Top
redeyes View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 16 August 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 12191
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redeyes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Step aside from BJ's comments for a second and just consider if you're happy with the current level of creativity in the backs?

 
That's a fair comment, but suggesting Henson should be playing is bonkers!
He's not playing any rugby at the moment, so how the hell can he be selected for wales?
The stadium may change, but the dream will remain the same!


Back to Top
SA14 View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
Don't blink

Joined: 15 August 2004
Location: Pemberton
Status: Offline
Points: 20255
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:10am
Pushed in front of me in the past players lounge bar at the Millennium stadium in the NZ game the cheeky get.
Back to Top
McQ View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 16 January 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1790
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote McQ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:09am
Originally posted by rolly rolly wrote:

He's an idiot , i buy the wales on sunday every week . I aint read his column for years .
And you say he's the idiot!
Back to Top
jeremy windell View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 11 January 2007
Location: Coedcae area
Status: Offline
Points: 6294
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jeremy windell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:03am
Originally posted by kcreg kcreg wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Says in the WOS today that Australia won for a number of reasons but principally due to their far superior 10-12 axis and then goes on to suggest that Wales should go with a Hook Henson combo but due to Hook not starting at 10 for the Sprays Wales may have to opt for Hook at 12 and Roberts at 13 which will allow Roberts to play like he did for the Lions.
 
There's so many holes in his argument its embarrassing, it's getting worse by the week, this probably sums up the whole article best:
 
Gatland has simply got to move Hook closer to the action where he can become involved again in some of the key decision making.
don't forget now that he writes these comments after 2 bottles of whisky !!! thats good going fair play !!!
ClapLOL
Go ahead..........Take those banana's
Back to Top
dr_martinov View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 06 August 2005
Location: Swansea
Status: Offline
Points: 11483
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr_martinov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2009 at 9:02am
Originally posted by McQ McQ wrote:

Step aside from BJ's comments for a second and just consider if you're happy with the current level of creativity in the backs?



That's what I was thinking. We're badly missing SOMETHING there - Hook at 12 seems the most reasonable option at the moment.

Look back at a Henson on top of his game and how much more threatening the backs looked. And Stephen jones was fly half then.

Part of it I think is overcoaching, slow ball and a low risk negative game plan, but there still seems to be an element of creativity lacking over these AIs when the ball did eventually get out. I can't remember the last backs try that wasn't a Shane Williams solo effort. And he won't always be around.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.109 seconds.