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i wonder if Roger's new contract offer to Gatland was the same deal that Gatland was on in 2008 ?.


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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 
We were beating them with 20 mins to go.


If only matches finished after 60 minutes eh?
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 
We were beating them with 20 mins to go.
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 
I think that's way off the mark myself.
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?


Edwards wouldn't have worked under Jenkins.

If you defend Gypo;s record but have a go at Gatland then you can't be serious.

I love Gypo for his time here but the way he ran the welsh camp was laughable, no discipline, players on the lash and tours that have been described by players involved as the world's longest stag night will not cut it at test level.

Wales proably won't win the world cup but the coach has to think we can and I think we can make the final and no matter what anyone says about Gatland style of play.

His record of success proves it works

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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

A try in the last play of the game put a gloss on it that we didn't really deserve. We were comprehensively outplayed in the 3rd/4th place match, as we were when Australia beat us in our "homecoming match" a few weeks later. We didn't come close to winning either. 

Gatland probably wouldn't have any Grand Slams, plus a Pool stage RWC exit to his name, had he had Rowland Phillips in charge of defence rather than Edwards. Jenkins would've had a respectable 6 Nations and a RWC QF with Edwards, or Mike Ford, who he asked the WRU to go and get. 
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Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
We have a group of players capable of beating anyone on the day, and we can most definitely beat Australia and England at Twickenham. The question is, will we bottle it in the World Cup, like we usually do, when it counts.
Exactly it is all on the day. Impossible to predict, but with Gatland having his players in camp for a significant period of time prior to the tournament, if we stay clear of too many injuries, and have a bit of luck we can make a big impact.
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
We have a group of players capable of beating anyone on the day, and we can most definitely beat Australia and England at Twickenham. The question is, will we bottle it in the World Cup, like we usually do, when it counts.
 
I also think that we have the best possible chance of beating these teams with Gats in charge, he is an excellent coach.


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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
What stuffing to Australia? It was a narrow loss! They lost 21-18. Look Jenkins messed up, he wasn't good enough. Gatland with more the less the same group of players won a Grandslam a few short months later! Say's it's own story really doesn't it.

Edited by scarletnut - 18 December 2013 at 12:34pm
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Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Warren has signed a new deal to stay as Wales coach until after the 2019 world cup...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/25402070

I hope the WRU have a break clause if it turns sour, which can easily happen even with top coaches. We don't want a Eddie O'Sullivan situation.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

The stuffing Australia gave us in the 3rd/4th place playoff suggests we weren't clearly the second best. I agree we should've beaten France in the semi.

Gatland was given better resources than Jenkins. How do you think Gatland would've done had the WRU told him he had to have Rowland Phillips, someone who had never coached at pro level, as his defence coach rather than Shaun Edwards?
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by ScarletSpiderman ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Gats has a good CV, but he also has taken us to one of our worst runs of losses in history!  Under him it is either a feast or a famine.



 
Whilst a semi-final in the RWC was good, it was not the hardest of routes there.  We beat Namibia, Samoa, Fiji and Ireland, but lost to South Africa, France and Australia.  That means we only won 1 game more than we lost.  That isn't really a brilliant result.

 

Under Gats we have played that god awful crash ball, mindless kicks, and typewriter back play (one touchline to the other and back again).  It has won games for us, but has also been so transparent that decent sides have coped with it no problems.

 

Unless Gats can find another tactic, or a plan B, the I fear we will continue to go from boom to bust and back again, for the next 6 years.


revisionist history there we lost to the boks by 1 point when a 3 pointer was incorrectly ruled out, we lost to France when we had 14 men for over an hour.

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score.

When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job
Some people on here fail to acknowledge that.
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Originally posted by ScarletSpiderman ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Gats has a good CV, but he also has taken us to one of our worst runs of losses in history!  Under him it is either a feast or a famine.



 
Whilst a semi-final in the RWC was good, it was not the hardest of routes there.  We beat Namibia, Samoa, Fiji and Ireland, but lost to South Africa, France and Australia.  That means we only won 1 game more than we lost.  That isn't really a brilliant result.

 

Under Gats we have played that god awful crash ball, mindless kicks, and typewriter back play (one touchline to the other and back again).  It has won games for us, but has also been so transparent that decent sides have coped with it no problems.

 

Unless Gats can find another tactic, or a plan B, the I fear we will continue to go from boom to bust and back again, for the next 6 years.


revisionist history there we lost to the boks by 1 point when a 3 pointer was incorrectly ruled out, we lost to France when we had 14 men for over an hour.

We were clearly the second best side in that world cup.

The only side that has beat us with no problems has been the all blacks, every other game has gone down to one score
When you look at the shambles he picked up from Gypo he has done a great job, attempts to say otherwise just don't make sense

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Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
Wales have the players to do it though.


Do we?
Lack a top out half, and depth at 9, 8, and 3. Everything else is in place.
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Gats has a good CV, but he also has taken us to one of our worst runs of losses in history!  Under him it is either a feast or a famine.
 
Whilst a semi-final in the RWC was good, it was not the hardest of routes there.  We beat Namibia, Samoa, Fiji and Ireland, but lost to South Africa, France and Australia.  That means we only won 1 game more than we lost.  That isn't really a brilliant result.
 
Under Gats we have played that god awful crash ball, mindless kicks, and typewriter back play (one touchline to the other and back again).  It has won games for us, but has also been so transparent that decent sides have coped with it no problems.
 
Unless Gats can find another tactic, or a plan B, the I fear we will continue to go from boom to bust and back again, for the next 6 years.
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by InTheBath InTheBath wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

How can folk generally think this Gatland is the Messiah and that Wales are closer to winning a WC. In 27 matches against Aus, NZ and SA he has won just one match. Yes he won a Lions Series but that was against an Oz side that are a long way behind their SH neighbours. I accept he has Sussed how to beat the 6N opposition but the quality of NH rugby is not brilliant.


he got us to a semi down under, in the uk with a big support and home comforts it wouldn't be a shock to see us do better,

Gatland record as a coach speaks for itself

hc winner, Aviva winner, itm winner, grand slam winner x 2, lions winner.

You can't doubt his quality with a record like that


In a group containing Australia and England at Twickenham, where we're likely to play South Africa if we get through?

Yes, it will be a shock if we even reach another semi final, let alone do better.
Wales have the players to do it though.


Do we?
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