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    Posted: 21 March 2017 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by Dafen Boy Dafen Boy wrote:

First went to Stradey in 1962, and saw the 1963 All Blacks as my first touring team.  Was there for 9-3, and the Springboks, Wallabies and a few others, including the Barbarians game in the centenary season.

I remember after the 1973 Cup Final when we beat Cardiff handily, that was a hell of a good night in the club, when all other activity was curtailed as the players' bus was spotted near Sandy Bridge, and the real party started. Clap 

I have taken friends from South Africa and New Zealand to Stradey, and all were welcome and the place had the real rugby aura of the amateur era and centre of the community.  The Pro era is different, and we have to adjust, I think it's called progress.

My memories are becoming hazy, and a little selective, but I was proud to be a Scarlet and loved the old place.  I still prefer to stand to watch rugby, and miss the days of the enclosure in front of the stand.



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First went to Stradey in 1962, and saw the 1963 All Blacks as my first touring team.  Was there for 9-3, and the Springboks, Wallabies and a few others, including the Barbarians game in the centenary season.

I remember after the 1973 Cup Final when we beat Cardiff handily, that was a hell of a good night in the club, when all other activity was curtailed as the players' bus was spotted near Sandy Bridge, and the real party started. Clap 

I have taken friends from South Africa and New Zealand to Stradey, and all were welcome and the place had the real rugby aura of the amateur era and centre of the community.  The Pro era is different, and we have to adjust, I think it's called progress.

My memories are becoming hazy, and a little selective, but I was proud to be a Scarlet and loved the old place.  I still prefer to stand to watch rugby, and miss the days of the enclosure in front of the stand.


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Good posts OAM and Multi.
 
On the music playing thing: Whilst I don't like it, I can understand that it appeals to the younger generation. What we need is a bit of common sense though. If singing gets started and is going well, don't make unnecessary announcements or play music to drown it out. There should be a period at the beginning of the game for fans to be heard as well. I like flower of Scotland at Murrayfield when the pipes stop and its just the crowd singing.
 
Its that spine tingling singing, or the chanting of Scarlets going around the ground that I miss most from Stradey. In fairness there's been some good atmospheres in recent times, just need a bit of sympathetic direction from the stadium manager.
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With only 3 home games between mid February and August, the stark reality is that the rugby side of the stadium is the lowest priority.

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Originally posted by JPRWilliams JPRWilliams wrote:

Should never have moved from Stradey park. There was enough room and land around all sides of the stadium to redevelop or expand for the professional era. In my opinion the only reason we moved to PYS was because certain individuals within the club were due to make a vast amount of money from the sale of the land at stradey. There was no other reason. 

Plenty of land, but unfortunately there were no money trees growing on it!
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Should never have moved from Stradey park. There was enough room and land around all sides of the stadium to redevelop or expand for the professional era. In my opinion the only reason we moved to PYS was because certain individuals within the club were due to make a vast amount of money from the sale of the land at stradey. There was no other reason. 
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Great post Multi
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (5) Thanks(5)   Quote multinational Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2017 at 7:59am
I can offer two perspectives here.
 
Being a child of Stradey the hurt of moving and memories of great days will live forever but I have accepted that change was needed and (despite it never quite feeling the same) I am a Scarlet supporter first and foremost and in all honesty I would watch them play anywhere. PYS is not Stradey, never will be, but the team I love still fights with the same passion and I am surrounded by fans who bleed scarlet - that will do for me.
 
My daughter has come for the last 4 years. She knows nothing of Stradey. Loves the parc, loves the barn and is a scarlet supporter for life. The music piped over the tannoy (which I hate) she loves, the barn where I can't get a pint - she loves, the whole match day experience which feels a little contrived and plastic - she loves.
 
I remember the day that my dad moved away from me in the terrace to sit in the stand. He explained it was a right of passage and he had done his tour of duty on the terrace and he said that one day we 'loonie binners' would be replaced by a new, louder generation too. Our facilities are there for this new generation and they love it.
 
HOWEVER this new generation still need us cronies to remind them of the proper way to support the team, the Welsh heritage, the song. So when I hear that people who have stood side by side with me for so many seasons and through good times AND BAD are no longer prepared to come and show them the ropes it just takes the gloss off it all a little bit more.
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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

As I've said I lived 2 mins from Stradey trained there every week played there played under the wires played cricket at the ranch even drank in the tennis club but as great as though days were they have gone but the team remains.
We are very fortunate to have a team mostly of local talent who deserve and need our support if you can follow the team to France then get across the town and follow the boys there. We can all be sentimental about the old times rugby has moved on at a great pace in the last forty years we have to move with it. We are the Scarlets have always been and always will be we are respected all over the world for what we have achieved. If people want the good times then they must get of their arses and support the team wherever we play. Revel in the culture the history,bring your memories of the great times at Stradey,the away trips and share them with the youngsters so they are in no doubt about how lucky they are that they support the best rugby team that has ever existed.
We have a great past and with loyal unwavering support we can have a great future.
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As I've said I lived 2 mins from Stradey trained there every week played there played under the wires played cricket at the ranch even drank in the tennis club but as great as though days were they have gone but the team remains.
We are very fortunate to have a team mostly of local talent who deserve and need our support if you can follow the team to France then get across the town and follow the boys there. We can all be sentimental about the old times rugby has moved on at a great pace in the last forty years we have to move with it. We are the Scarlets have always been and always will be we are respected all over the world for what we have achieved. If people want the good times then they must get of their arses and support the team wherever we play. Revel in the culture the history,bring your memories of the great times at Stradey,the away trips and share them with the youngsters so they are in no doubt about how lucky they are that they support the best rugby team that has ever existed.
We have a great past and with loyal unwavering support we can have a great future.
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The young kids now coming and watching the game or taking part in games in the Barn or at halftime weren't even born or would not remember Stradey - thousands of children have been born in the Region over the last 10 years or so. They are the future who need nurturing not those of the past. We live for the future folks! Chin up.
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

 
 
The apathy of Welsh people to club rugby is pretty shameful really and I don't know what the answer is, other than becoming a European force again.

Maybe because Wales is not as much of a rugby nation as the stereotype (if it ever was) and quite a few people are even actively hostile to what they see as an anachronistic stereotype?
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

There is a sad irony to many of the posts in this thread. If we stop and look around us, we see the Friends of Newport Rugby trying so desperately to retain some form of professional rugby entity. In the 'untapped' North of Wales they aspire for further funding and progress, whilst out east in the greater 'Ponty' metropolis, we have the great unwashed who would sacrifice their manhood for just once chance to have again what we are so fortunate to be experiencing.
And we are fortunate, however anyone dresses it up.
The truth is that the halcyon days of Stradey Park are long behind us. And as we all undoubtedly look back with great fondness at the stadium, through our Scarlet tinted spectacles, we ignore one simple truth. As alluded to earlier in this thread, it was what happened at the stadium rather than the facility itself that evokes these feelings in so many. We dominated the opposition, plain and simple, something financial resources mean we will perhaps never again do.  That is really what people miss. Being a team that were feared. Let's be honest. If we did that at PYS people would come. However, our dire European record of recent seasons has done so much to diminish us, certainly in terms of fan base, profile and sponsorship.
 
But it really is awful to hear guys like Speedy talk in such a way. I don't mean that as a criticism of him or others. But we never had the luxury as a fan base to lose such committed and passionate people. Those people who galvanise the rest.
 
Sadly, as has been pointed out, the move wasn't handled with the aplomb it deserved and as a result we have lost some good people. Add to that the apathetic in a Town suffering from increasing financial hardship and only then do you actually realise how well we have done just to run the Toulon and Sarries of this world so close this season.
 
What we are missing more than Stradey though, is success. But is it a chicken and egg scenario now? Will success bring crowds, or will crowds with their increased revenue, albeit limited, bring success. The former for me. Success will bring sponsorship, increased profile and crowd numbers. So let's stop looking backwards, be grateful for what we have and hope WP and the bois have some magic left in them this season.
 
The apathy of Welsh people to club rugby is pretty shameful really and I don't know what the answer is, other than becoming a European force again.
 
Looking forward we have to hope for a TV deal that is more equitable compared to our European friends and possibly a bigger help from WRU.
 
Other than that the bold bit is spot on!
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There is a sad irony to many of the posts in this thread. If we stop and look around us, we see the Friends of Newport Rugby trying so desperately to retain some form of professional rugby entity. In the 'untapped' North of Wales they aspire for further funding and progress, whilst out east in the greater 'Ponty' metropolis, we have the great unwashed who would sacrifice their manhood for just once chance to have again what we are so fortunate to be experiencing.
And we are fortunate, however anyone dresses it up.
The truth is that the halcyon days of Stradey Park are long behind us. And as we all undoubtedly look back with great fondness at the stadium, through our Scarlet tinted spectacles, we ignore one simple truth. As alluded to earlier in this thread, it was what happened at the stadium rather than the facility itself that evokes these feelings in so many. We dominated the opposition, plain and simple, something financial resources mean we will perhaps never again do.  That is really what people miss. Being a team that were feared. Let's be honest. If we did that at PYS people would come. However, our dire European record of recent seasons has done so much to diminish us, certainly in terms of fan base, profile and sponsorship.
 
But it really is awful to hear guys like Speedy talk in such a way. I don't mean that as a criticism of him or others. But we never had the luxury as a fan base to lose such committed and passionate people. Those people who galvanise the rest.
 
Sadly, as has been pointed out, the move wasn't handled with the aplomb it deserved and as a result we have lost some good people. Add to that the apathetic in a Town suffering from increasing financial hardship and only then do you actually realise how well we have done just to run the Toulon and Sarries of this world so close this season.
 
What we are missing more than Stradey though, is success. But is it a chicken and egg scenario now? Will success bring crowds, or will crowds with their increased revenue, albeit limited, bring success. The former for me. Success will bring sponsorship, increased profile and crowd numbers. So let's stop looking backwards, be grateful for what we have and hope WP and the bois have some magic left in them this season.
 


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Speedy mate, I think there are quite a few people who hold the same view as you.  

But if you think about it, most of the points you make would have applied had we stayed at Stradey. That is to say, a new stadium at Stradey would probably have looked exactly like the one we have at Pemberton.  The team at Stradey would be just the same team we have at Pemberton.  The crowd size at Stradey would be the same crowd size we have at Pemberton.  The match day experience at Stradey would be exactly the match day experience we have at Pemberton.

The only thing that would be different is the actual location.  In every other respect, nothing would have changed.


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