Scarlet Fever Llanelli Rugby Sport Wales Tickets Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > RUGBY > GENERAL RUGBY
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login


NZ V France

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
aber-fan View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 25 October 2004
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 14225
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: NZ V France
    Posted: 25 June 2018 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

I can only assume he thinks he has to stand somewhere and Sarin should have found a way round him &/or &/or deliberately bran into him a&/or would not have got to MacKenzie anyway (which is possible) but if so I think he wrong on this occasion and the fact he didn't change view having consulted TMO is weird.

Serein should have taken the Gareth Edwards option - a long time ago, trying to burst over from a scrum near the opposition line, he found the ref in his way. Gareth ran straight over the top of him, breaking the ref's leg  (or shoulder.. not sure of injury) in the process. Unfortunately, it slowed him down enough for the defence to prevent him scoring.

That is what refs deserve, if they interfere with play!
I share no-one's ideas. I have my own.
(Ivan Turgenev)
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
John View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 15 August 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 4151
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Any controversy with the ref? People complain about officials in rugby as if it’s the only sport it happens in. Seen some of the decisions in the World Cup?


I don't think anyone has ever said that refereeing howlers are exclusive to rugby but this is a rugby forum and we are not unduly concerned about wendyball world cups.
Back to Top
Rich (Bris) View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 23 August 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 1371
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich (Bris) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 12:07pm
I can only assume he thinks he has to stand somewhere and Sarin should have found a way round him &/or &/or deliberately bran into him a&/or would not have got to MacKenzie anyway (which is possible) but if so I think he wrong on this occasion and the fact he didn't change view having consulted TMO is weird.
Back to Top
scarletnut View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 28 April 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 10631
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote scarletnut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 11:17am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

And if the Scarlets ever got away with murder like New Zealand we’d all stop supporting them for being cheats yes.
Do you ever give it a rest? That was a disgraceful decision by Lacey. It wasn’t exactly your average refereeing howler
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
Back to Top
SA14 View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
Don't blink

Joined: 15 August 2004
Location: Pemberton
Status: Offline
Points: 19823
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 11:02am
And if the Scarlets ever got away with murder like New Zealand we’d all stop supporting them for being cheats yes.
Back to Top
Rich (Bris) View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 23 August 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 1371
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich (Bris) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 10:22am
There was indeed (Lacey blocking Serin for NZ try which put them 21-14 up). But would have been big NZ win anyway
Back to Top
SA14 View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
Don't blink

Joined: 15 August 2004
Location: Pemberton
Status: Offline
Points: 19823
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 10:10am
Any controversy with the ref? People complain about officials in rugby as if it’s the only sport it happens in. Seen some of the decisions in the World Cup?

Edited by SA14 - 23 June 2018 at 10:12am
Back to Top
Rich (Bris) View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 23 August 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 1371
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich (Bris) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 10:09am
France in attack brilliant (compared to recent years) but they've lost most of their line outs, defence far too passive and NZ amazing in attack (look like they will score each time they have the ball) and powerful defence. Chat great at hooker and both French centres (in attack)
Back to Top
John View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 15 August 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 4151
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2018 at 9:46am
The French look like a transformed side this morning and have been playing a proper off- loading game at pace. To the extent that they have made the ABs look like a side playing static one out rugby. However, when Damian Mckenzie is playing flyhalf as he is today, things are not static and his two tries are the current difference between the sides. Mckenzie is a devastating full back but a lethal flyhalf. What a player!
Back to Top
Fscarlet View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 26 January 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 1848
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2018 at 12:54pm
World Rugby have issued the following statement:

"World Rugby would like to reconfirm the guidelines employed by match officials and the judicial process relating to challenges in the air, following public and media commentary during the June tests.

"The guidelines, which have been operational since 2016, deal with when two players are challenging for a ball in the air and are designed to give clarity and alignment regarding the red card threshold. These guidelines are:

  • If a player is not in a realistic position to gather the ball, there is contact and their opponent lands on their back or side – Yellow card
  • If a player is not in a realistic position to gather the ball, there is reckless or deliberate foul play and the player lands in a dangerous position – Red card

"A player having eyes on the ball is not by itself a mitigating factor when the match officials are determining whether potential foul play has been committed. The primary consideration is whether both players were in a realistic position to regather the ball."

Back to Top
SA14 View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
Don't blink

Joined: 15 August 2004
Location: Pemberton
Status: Offline
Points: 19823
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2018 at 4:39pm
So the French player’s field of vision didn’t reach as far as a guy in black coming towards him?
Back to Top
Rich (Bris) View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 23 August 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 1371
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich (Bris) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2018 at 11:41am
Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Red card rescinded by World Rugby, as the French player was
"looking at the ball".
 

Pity that they couldn't have had someone with the authority to say that at the match or at least rescind it to a yellow. As it was that early red ruined the match as a fair competition.  


I think from reading the statement by the panel that it was not the case that it was rescinded because he always had his eyes on the ball (but that helped his case) - key bit states : 'In our opinion the direct and proximate cause for that outcome [that being him bashing into Barrett] was the result of the player's collision with New Zealand number 13. As a result [of that collision - which was not his fault] the player was denied the time (less than a second) and the space to put himself in a position to avoid collision with New Zealand number 10 or to contest the ball as he had originally planned' - so I guess he told them he had planned to leap to catch it but the collision with Lienert-Brown meant .........

If it was just about keeping eyes on the ball then a lot of the recent sending offs would/should have been rescinded. That said I think there is a bit of a change taking place with the feeling that the current rulings are too harsh on players who keep eyes on ball and would have been in a perfect position to catch the ball had the opposition player not jumped into the air and into them. But whether they will change it ? There have been less sending offs this season for sure and it has also led to less up and unders so that's got to be good news.

I agree it would be good in theory in those situations to have the player off the pitch until it has been checked by someone in authority (like I believe they did in League)
Back to Top
Ffidel Bennett View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 31 August 2014
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Online
Points: 5398
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ffidel Bennett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2018 at 11:01am
Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Red card rescinded by World Rugby, as the French player was
"looking at the ball".
 

Pity that they couldn't have had someone with the authority to say that at the match or at least rescind it to a yellow. As it was that early red ruined the match as a fair competition.  
Back to Top
KID A View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 16 August 2004
Location: Cardiff
Status: Offline
Points: 26183
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KID A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2018 at 9:53am
Red card rescinded by World Rugby, as the French player was
"looking at the ball".
Back to Top
aber-fan View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 25 October 2004
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 14225
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2018 at 9:30am
Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

The problem with banning jumping in open play is that it would prevent smaller players from using they're athleticism to get up higher than the taller players - if you're banned jumping then the taller player would always get the ball and we'd have lots more Kicks and very tall wingers.

Yes indeed - it all depends on how many serious injuries occur as a result of this, IMO... it would be a pity to ban it... but if they don't ban it, they ought to allow the ref some discretion regarding intent, as Sospan says.
I share no-one's ideas. I have my own.
(Ivan Turgenev)
Back to Top
Rich (Bris) View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 23 August 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 1371
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich (Bris) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2018 at 10:17pm
The problem with banning jumping in open play is that it would prevent smaller players from using they're athleticism to get up higher than the taller players - if you're banned jumping then the taller player would always get the ball and we'd have lots more Kicks and very tall wingers.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.04
Copyright ©2001-2015 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.047 seconds.