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    Posted: 12 November 2018 at 1:00pm
I saw one post-match quote from Gats that said there'd be '15 changes' for Tonga next week - not sure how they'll manage that with only 5 fit back row players in the AIs squad (perhaps Tipuric will stay in and captain) so that suggests a team like:

Liam Williams, Steff Evans, Tyler Morgan, Owen Watkin, Luke Morgan, Rhys Patchell, Tomos Williams;
Rob Evans, Elliot Dee, Leon Brown, Jake Ball, Cory Hill, Ellis Jenkins, Justin Tipuric (c), Aaron Wainwright

Replacements: Ryan Elias, Wyn Jones, Samson Lee, Adam Beard, Dan Lydiate; Aled Davies, Jarrod Evans, Jonah Homes

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Pretty boring game to be honest with very little quality rugby but great to get the win. I thought Josh Adams was fantastic both in attack & defence. He looks to me to have booked his place in our starting 15. 

Picking up on your earlier point Ffidel regarding selection I see your point. I think our gameplan was to attack the Aussie lineout but that in reality backfired a little as ours wasn't anywhere near as accurate as it usually is - missing Hill's management maybe. I think my overall feeling on the great 10 debate hasn't really changed. Frankly two tries in two games would have been achieved with Biggar playing 10 & he would have kicked tactically far better than Anscombe.

Rhys remains the most complete 10 we have if we want to develop a ball in play running game. I still worry that Gatland & Co., will revert to type in the build up & through the World Cup - i.e. hope that defence will win it with excellent goal kicking. Anscombe yesterday looked all at sea unable to spark his outside backs & unclear of his role. Aimless kicking on another day would have cost us the game but fair play to Parkes, Foxy and the back 3 for shutting down their dangerous counter attackers. 

Loads of changes for next week & I hope Rhys is fit enough to be given a run at starting 10. My selection would be something like :-

Liam, Josh, Foxy, Watkins, Steff, Rhys, Tomos Williams
Rob, Dee, Samson, Jake, Hill, Wainwright, Jenkins, Moriarty. 

Bench : Elias, Wyn, Brown, Beard, Tipuric, Aled, Biggar, Amos.

A great and timely chance next week to try out a few of these fringe players....obviously we cant take tonga lightly but a lot of these are quality players...Im especially excited to see josh liam watkins patchell tomos jake and wainwright get a run. Its vital we have class back up at 8 , lock , full back, wing , centre. Areas we have been a bit short in


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Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

What a seriously poor game of rugby.

WOL had "the fans" as the biggest losers. Which, in fairness, did make me laugh.
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What a seriously poor game of rugby.
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I thought Elis Jenkins livened things up too. Should have come on 10 minutes earlier as Lydiate was knackered by then.
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We have to remember that when williams came on the game was much more open, plus he had fresh legs against a tiring defence. Its an unfair call. Got to say, im not his biggszt fan, but hill really showed up when ge came on. I thought beard was average. Hes got size and age on his side but he really needs to devrlop his game.
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Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Wol have Gareth Davies as a loset


pardon my ignorance but what's a 'loset' ?

Loser sorry

Odd comment - neither did anything special, but the only bad mistake I remember came from Williams, when he knocked on at the ruck when it looked as if a try was maybe on... doubt that Cawdor would have made such a rookie mistake.
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Thank you both.

Yes odd to describe GD as a loser, as you said it would have been better to say that Williams benefited if they felt that GD didn't have a good game. 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Wol have Gareth Davies as a loset


pardon my ignorance but what's a 'loset' ?

Loser sorry
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Wol have Gareth Davies as a loset

pardon my ignorance but what's a 'loset' ?

GD was in their "loser" category, rationalised due to the impact of Tomos Williams. Which is odd, because I would have thought one would instead place Williams in the "winner" group as a better way of highlighting his performance but there you go. I don't read WOL and their standards of journalism are very low.
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Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Wol have Gareth Davies as a loset

pardon my ignorance but what's a 'loset' ?
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Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Wol have Gareth Davies as a loset


It was a laughable piece of journalism. Just as poor as the game.
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Australia really weren't that good: I still don't buy people before the game saying they were better on paper as they had not been playing well and we were stronger in several areas out there. Those views I think were made on habit and Australian teams of the past plus our issues in losing games we should win against them. I think a big mental effort considering to make sure it didn't happen again and get the win. It doesn't matter how it was achieved and I think it represents a big step forward.

Decent write up from the independent on it:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/wales-australia-international-warren-gatland-world-cup-gareth-anscombe-a8628566.html
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Pretty boring game to be honest with very little quality rugby but great to get the win. I thought Josh Adams was fantastic both in attack & defence. He looks to me to have booked his place in our starting 15. 

Picking up on your earlier point Ffidel regarding selection I see your point. I think our gameplan was to attack the Aussie lineout but that in reality backfired a little as ours wasn't anywhere near as accurate as it usually is - missing Hill's management maybe. I think my overall feeling on the great 10 debate hasn't really changed. Frankly two tries in two games would have been achieved with Biggar playing 10 & he would have kicked tactically far better than Anscombe.

Rhys remains the most complete 10 we have if we want to develop a ball in play running game. I still worry that Gatland & Co., will revert to type in the build up & through the World Cup - i.e. hope that defence will win it with excellent goal kicking. Anscombe yesterday looked all at sea unable to spark his outside backs & unclear of his role. Aimless kicking on another day would have cost us the game but fair play to Parkes, Foxy and the back 3 for shutting down their dangerous counter attackers. 

Loads of changes for next week & I hope Rhys is fit enough to be given a run at starting 10. My selection would be something like :-

Liam, Josh, Foxy, Watkins, Steff, Rhys, Tomos Williams
Rob, Dee, Samson, Jake, Hill, Wainwright, Jenkins, Moriarty. 

Bench : Elias, Wyn, Brown, Beard, Tipuric, Aled, Biggar, Amos.
the last thing rhys needs is a game against a team that thinks a low tackle is just above the forehead.

I take your point Ngel but Rhys wants to establish himself as Wales' 10. From a Scarlet point of view I'd be glad to see Wyn, Ryan, Samson, Jake & Rhys miss next week so they would probably not be in the equation for South Africa but that is taking it a little too far even for a Scarlet fan!!!!!
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Pretty boring game to be honest with very little quality rugby but great to get the win. I thought Josh Adams was fantastic both in attack & defence. He looks to me to have booked his place in our starting 15. 

Picking up on your earlier point Ffidel regarding selection I see your point. I think our gameplan was to attack the Aussie lineout but that in reality backfired a little as ours wasn't anywhere near as accurate as it usually is - missing Hill's management maybe. I think my overall feeling on the great 10 debate hasn't really changed. Frankly two tries in two games would have been achieved with Biggar playing 10 & he would have kicked tactically far better than Anscombe.

Rhys remains the most complete 10 we have if we want to develop a ball in play running game. I still worry that Gatland & Co., will revert to type in the build up & through the World Cup - i.e. hope that defence will win it with excellent goal kicking. Anscombe yesterday looked all at sea unable to spark his outside backs & unclear of his role. Aimless kicking on another day would have cost us the game but fair play to Parkes, Foxy and the back 3 for shutting down their dangerous counter attackers. 

Loads of changes for next week & I hope Rhys is fit enough to be given a run at starting 10. My selection would be something like :-

Liam, Josh, Foxy, Watkins, Steff, Rhys, Tomos Williams
Rob, Dee, Samson, Jake, Hill, Wainwright, Jenkins, Moriarty. 

Bench : Elias, Wyn, Brown, Beard, Tipuric, Aled, Biggar, Amos.

Fair comments. I especially agree about Anscombe - his best games this season have been as a 15, and he simply doesn't look convincing at 10 - if we are going to play a kicking game, let's stick to Biggar, who is at least good at it - I was particularly annoyed when Anscombe put up a high one to chase himself, and looked to make no effort at all to challenge for the ball - unlike Biggar or 1/2p - it looked as if he just bottled it. Myself, I'd prefer to see Patchell than either of them, especially if we want to develop an attacking game. 

Thought these played well: 1/2p (apart from his goal kicking!) - so solid in defence, and made a few effective darts; Adams - very solid and brave; the scrum - got on top, until the changes; AWJ led from the front, and Ken was tireless, but not as accurate as usual at the lineout. No-one had a real stinker, but Anscombe was perhaps the least satisfactory. 

A word about the charge to 1/2p's head - a very similar thing happened in France v SA... Nigel  O and the TMO had a look, and decided it was worth a penalty - in that case, the player wasn't hurt and stayed on - that looked about right, but the 1/2p one was worse because of the sheer recklessness of what was done, with shoulder to head contact. That was 100% a penalty, and probably a YC too, IMO. What was the ref thinking? Kid A can add the clips to his dossier of evidence on inconsistency in reffing, if he likes!


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