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    Posted: 14 November 2020 at 7:14pm
Excuse me if I don’t join in the Luke Pearce “Appreciation Society”.

Now, I do think he is one of the top tier of referees in the world. He had a very good World Cup and is now much more confident to stand on his own feet and trust his judgment, where has has clear views of things. Where he doesn’t, he now asks the right questions and knows who to trust in the TMO truck.

In the past, I’ve found him not particularly helpful when we have been playing.

Overall, he’s recently reached the top tier, IMO which is far from negotiable currency. I think he will inherit Wayne Barnes’s crown as the best/most accurate ref in the world, if not so good at comedy as Nigel nor for an end to end flow-fest as he is.

He is indisputably the best at not ageing. He still looks young enough to have his age checked in the pub and hasn’t really changed in many years.

Good on him for developing his game and player management. Hopefully, there’s still more to come.

The referee development curve is this difficult. With so much scrutiny from so many angles and so many speeds super slo-mo etc, it’s a very tough gig when the expectation is perfection from all officials, no matter what level.

Then, when it’s not consistent......


Edited by Eastern outpost - 14 November 2020 at 7:21pm
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Yeah I thought Pearce is the best ref in the world for some time now. Asks all the right tmo questions. 
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Originally posted by saundersfootscarlets saundersfootscarlets wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I can’t understand why referees don’t just let the scrum go down and let the scrum half just get the ball away, after all they still have the advantage of having the ball.  I know some referees often do this when they have had enough of reset after reset. 
It would also help to improve the game as a spectacle (in theory anyway) by having more ball in play time).


Interestingly this is exactly what the ref did in the Italy v Scotland game.

Nearly every scrum went down, but rather than adjudicate who was at fault, he told the SH to play it if the ball was at the back of the scrum.

Made the game flow better of course.

I thought the ref , Luke Pierce I think , was very good , have seen him quite a few times and he seems to control it well without whistling for every minor thing.



Great ref is Luke and a top man👍 Done some great reffing in our games in the past. Pontypool boy isn’t he? 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I can’t understand why referees don’t just let the scrum go down and let the scrum half just get the ball away, after all they still have the advantage of having the ball.  I know some referees often do this when they have had enough of reset after reset. 
It would also help to improve the game as a spectacle (in theory anyway) by having more ball in play time).


Interestingly this is exactly what the ref did in the Italy v Scotland game.

Nearly every scrum went down, but rather than adjudicate who was at fault, he told the SH to play it if the ball was at the back of the scrum.

Made the game flow better of course.

It so frustrates me when they don't do this. The scrum is a restart. If the dominant side has the ball, and there's no risk to safety, then tell them to use it FFS.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I can’t understand why referees don’t just let the scrum go down and let the scrum half just get the ball away, after all they still have the advantage of having the ball.  I know some referees often do this when they have had enough of reset after reset. 
It would also help to improve the game as a spectacle (in theory anyway) by having more ball in play time).


Interestingly this is exactly what the ref did in the Italy v Scotland game.

Nearly every scrum went down, but rather than adjudicate who was at fault, he told the SH to play it if the ball was at the back of the scrum.

Made the game flow better of course.

I thought the ref , Luke Pierce I think , was very good , have seen him quite a few times and he seems to control it well without whistling for every minor thing.


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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I can’t understand why referees don’t just let the scrum go down and let the scrum half just get the ball away, after all they still have the advantage of having the ball.  I know some referees often do this when they have had enough of reset after reset. 
It would also help to improve the game as a spectacle (in theory anyway) by having more ball in play time).


Interestingly this is exactly what the ref did in the Italy v Scotland game.

Nearly every scrum went down, but rather than adjudicate who was at fault, he told the SH to play it if the ball was at the back of the scrum.

Made the game flow better of course.



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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I can’t understand why referees don’t just let the scrum go down and let the scrum half just get the ball away, after all they still have the advantage of having the ball.  I know some referees often do this when they have had enough of reset after reset. 
It would also help to improve the game as a spectacle (in theory anyway) by having more ball in play time).
Indeed. Scrums are killing the game for spectators 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Scrum parity is the start point for our hopes tonight.
very true. Get that, and hopefully we can stay in touch through the game. All on that though. Great to see Daf Hughes back involved. 
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Scrum parity is the start point for our hopes tonight.
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Going to be a very tough fixture v a fully loaded connacht. 

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I can’t understand why referees don’t just let the scrum go down and let the scrum half just get the ball away, after all they still have the advantage of having the ball.  I know some referees often do this when they have had enough of reset after reset. 
It would also help to improve the game as a spectacle (in theory anyway) by having more ball in play time).
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I have to agree that unless the penalty is someone losing their bind right in front of the referee i have little to no clue as to the basis of how a decision is made. It’s rugby unions biggest flaw at the moment. I would ultimately like to see no more than 1 reset per scrum or a rugby league style clock’s on.

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157cb wrote
   Disagree totally ,the issues at scrum time have been on the loose head for the most part, yes he as been penalised admittedly .Javan been our most impressive prop in the loose by a country mile .

   The scrum is an absolute lottery , that an the breakdown harming the very future of the game, what a mess .[/QUOTE]

Agree completely. Javan only needs to improve a little on fitness to become a top class prop.
However as 157cb also points out the scrum is becoming more and more of a lottery and the impression I get is that most referees have little idea of what is going on and who is breaking the rules. When a scrum collapses they have to make a decision and often this is pure guess work, but once made they tend to stick with penalising the same side unless something very different occurs.
The breakdown decisions are also often baffling, with so many players piling in at different angles and power that it can't be easy for refs to arrive at a clear decision to penalise and which side to penalise.
Clearly we have to work on these aspects, before we are able to get enough ball to judge how the backs are performing.





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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

Why is Sebastian in the team? He brings nothing to the game.


   Disagree totally ,the issues at scrum time have been on the loose head for the most part, yes he as been penalised admittedly .Javan been our most impressive prop in the loose by a country mile .

   The scrum is an absolute lottery , that an the breakdown harming the very future of the game, what a mess .

Agree with you 157 on Javan. His work in the loose is good; he looks for the ball and, while he sometimes gets a little over enthusiastic like getting in the way of the 10, I would prefer to see a big guy putting his hands up. He also possesses a decent turn of pace and can make metres. His scrummaging is not Samson but he is a little better than Werner. Working with Franks will bring him on and we could have a very good pro 14 prop for a number of years. 
It's true that the scrum problems seem to have been m the loose-head,but also true that the loose-head will have a difficult time if the tight-head isn't locking it.Javen's scrummaging has been solid,and some of his work around the field has been excellent.Overall,I think he's a player showing signs of progress all the time,and is definitely on the right track.
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