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    Posted: 20 November 2020 at 1:56pm
Article yesterday in the South Wales Argus about the Drags having all their contracts sorted .
Wonder how this is possible?
If it bleeds we can can kill it
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

This will always happen when we have such depth at 7, we have him, Cubby, Josh, Jac. 
have we given him a chance to see how he has progressed? cubbys best days are behind him and age is not on his side,dan was outstanding last year with great performances against top sides.
 Agree with you both but wouldn’t it be better to loan these players out rather than just let them go? I realise we have depth there but we quite often go down to 3rd string in the season. I suppose if he’s out of contract it’s his choice.
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With Cubby seemingly unsuited to International rugby, anyone think he might take a year or two out away from us & maybe play elsewhere...as in abroad?


Quite possibly. If you are under 60 caps and not in the Wales squad the salary guidance is relatively low at a time where English and French team’s interest would spike ( based on no international call up conflicts).
I expect a notable amount of guys will be eyeing this.

He does seem the type who would relish a year or 2 abroad & would go well. 


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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

With Cubby seemingly unsuited to International rugby, anyone think he might take a year or two out away from us & maybe play elsewhere...as in abroad?


Quite possibly. If you are under 60 caps and not in the Wales squad the salary guidance is relatively low at a time where English and French team’s interest would spike ( based on no international call up conflicts).
I expect a notable amount of guys will be eyeing this.
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With Cubby seemingly unsuited to International rugby, anyone think he might take a year or two out away from us & maybe play elsewhere...as in abroad?
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Don't see Dan as a 6 at all. He is, for me, an out and out 7 with pace and hands. Of all our 7's currently I think Josh could be the best 6 but even he is not in the Aaron, Blade or Kennedy mould. I still see Josh as a real effective 8 along the lines of Navidi. 

Dan certainly an out and out 7,but what's he like at the break-down?Short-term,Cubby -in spite of being nowhere near his best-would still probably get the nod for his ability in that area?That's where I would have liked to see more of Dan.
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Don’t see either Jac or Dan as a 6 personally. Would love for Dan to stay however I wouldn’t blame anyone if he did leave. I wonder if loaning him to the Ospreys could be an option, would strengthen their options for the season while allowing us to keep him on our books in case something changes next season.
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Don't see Dan as a 6 at all. He is, for me, an out and out 7 with pace and hands. Of all our 7's currently I think Josh could be the best 6 but even he is not in the Aaron, Blade or Kennedy mould. I still see Josh as a real effective 8 along the lines of Navidi. 
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Finances do not allow us to keep all our talent & covid means that we cannot give everyone enough opportunity. It is soul destroying for a professional athlete to train all week, live an athletes lifestyle and not get to perform. 

Dan will probably leave and I will blame nobody for that. He will flourish at the Ospreys & will push Jac Morgan all the way for a senior call up. 
Agree. If he is to leave all the best... But I do see in the future Jac Morgan, Dan Davis and Josh Macleod lining up together. All with the ability to play 6,7,8.

Dan strikes me as a 6 in the making, however there is a part of me wondering if the rumours have surfaced because Shingler is now on the comeback trail as previously it was thought he wouldn't be back at all...
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Finances do not allow us to keep all our talent & covid means that we cannot give everyone enough opportunity. It is soul destroying for a professional athlete to train all week, live an athletes lifestyle and not get to perform. 

Dan will probably leave and I will blame nobody for that. He will flourish at the Ospreys & will push Jac Morgan all the way for a senior call up. 
Agree. If he is to leave all the best... But I do see in the future Jac Morgan, Dan Davis and Josh Macleod lining up together. All with the ability to play 6,7,8.
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Who's out of contract? Are we in a position to bring in NWQs instead?

Fact of the matter is its great to have Welsh internationals signing for us. Fact is, Liam Williams is coming up to 12 months a scarlet player come beginning of the 6N was it? He's played one game for us. 

Depending who's out of contract, ideally we can bring in a NWQ loosehead, NWQ tighthead, NWQ backrower (if Dan Davis and Cassiem are going along with Cubby and Shingler getting on), NWQ scrum half and NWQ centre and back 3.

We need a consistency in the side during internationals and when the internationals return. I think we may see or, or at least I believe we need a shift in recruitment. We will always produce local talent. But we also lose a lot for majority of the season. We need a strong spine to the starting 15 that the youngsters play alongside and learn from and a spine that sees the internationals easily slot in on their return. Will it happen? Doubt it... But I do hope. 
Nigel and the board made an art out of maximising funding from Wales. We have an £8m squad. At least £2m ahead of any other region. If we are to compete at the latter stages of Europe, we need some of the best players in the world, and loaning them out to Wales for 40% of the year while paying 80% of the wages is a decent strategy, albeit it's backfired this year. No one would have foreseen that.

I've no doubt at all that Glenn's methods will soon click and we will remain as the top performing Welsh side for the next season or two at least. 
It worked to a point but when you are missing your line up plus 2nd choice hooker and 9 it makes it near impossible to compete consistently. 
Its got to a point now where internationals barely play. If the current structure doesn't change we need to start signing quality NWQs. As I mentioed, I'd say another 3 at least. Props, Scrum Half, Centre, back 3.id settle for one prop, 9 and centre though. We are showing this year exactly what we are missing. If the structure does change where we actually get to see the internationals then great. But I can't see it happening anymore and I also see CVC walking away even as I don't think they will manage to crack rugby. Too many hangers on with too much self interest.the game will never grow. 
So if the current structure is here to stay we need a spine of quality NWQs to keep challenging.

Look back to the season we won the league... It was a consistent side week in week out. That's what last year has taken away, this year has taken away, and now probably next year and year after with lions and World Cup coming up again. 

The good thing about the rugby side of the last 2 year is it has shown us exactly where the squad is and where we need to strengthen... We get a prop that's around all year, a quality 9 so the young 9s and 10s can benefit from, a Parkes type 12 to all go along side Lousi and Kalamafoni, we will be in a decent place to slot in youngsters around them and internationals on their return. Jac Morgan showing what can be done alongside the right ones. Morgan Rees with Lousi... We need a few more now imo.
Theres little point strengthening tighthead IMO with WGJ to put us at a weaker point than this year during internationals as Kruger probably won't be here... So Sebastian and OConnor only available tightheads. Madness. 
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Finances do not allow us to keep all our talent & covid means that we cannot give everyone enough opportunity. It is soul destroying for a professional athlete to train all week, live an athletes lifestyle and not get to perform. 

Dan will probably leave and I will blame nobody for that. He will flourish at the Ospreys & will push Jac Morgan all the way for a senior call up. 
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Shame to see the lad go, but we know we simply can't retain everyone. The emergence of Jac at a time when Dan was playing his way back to fitness has probably sealed it, plus the O's best option for a 7 right now is Lydiate.
I sense he will go and do very well.

The other consideration is that every region will have to cut their cloth according to their means, and we have a pretty big playing squad.
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Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the young boys not getting a chance are tempted. When you see all the other regions playing the young lads it doesn’t help us ! 

And the lack of A games 

D Davies and O Knott come to mind. 

  This season inthe Pro 14,Morgan, Booth and Costelow 20, Conbeer,Rogers, Jac Price and Morgan Jones aged 21 and Blacker 22 have  all had  gametime .

    Looking forward to seeing Knott when fit, Costelow who should have had more action and Dan Davis who as the pace  and footballing ability to cover flanker and wing from the bench . I  hope Dan gets his chance, we cannot afford to lose a home produced player,so young and so talented .
Yeah but if you were Dan why would you stay at the Scarlets? If he goes to the Ospreys he’s automatically second choice which technically makes him first choice as Tipuric will be away much of the season. Plus the Scarlets will obviously needs to scale back on their spending which means tough decisions will have to be made.
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Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the young boys not getting a chance are tempted. When you see all the other regions playing the young lads it doesn’t help us ! 

And the lack of A games 

D Davies and O Knott come to mind. 

  This season inthe Pro 14,Morgan, Booth and Costelow 20, Conbeer,Rogers, Jac Price and Morgan Jones aged 21 and Blacker 22 have  all had  gametime .

    Looking forward to seeing Knott when fit, Costelow who should have had more action and Dan Davis who as the pace  and footballing ability to cover flanker and wing from the bench . I  hope Dan gets his chance, we cannot afford to lose a home produced player,so young and so talented .
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Who's out of contract? Are we in a position to bring in NWQs instead?

Fact of the matter is its great to have Welsh internationals signing for us. Fact is, Liam Williams is coming up to 12 months a scarlet player come beginning of the 6N was it? He's played one game for us. 

Depending who's out of contract, ideally we can bring in a NWQ loosehead, NWQ tighthead, NWQ backrower (if Dan Davis and Cassiem are going along with Cubby and Shingler getting on), NWQ scrum half and NWQ centre and back 3.

We need a consistency in the side during internationals and when the internationals return. I think we may see or, or at least I believe we need a shift in recruitment. We will always produce local talent. But we also lose a lot for majority of the season. We need a strong spine to the starting 15 that the youngsters play alongside and learn from and a spine that sees the internationals easily slot in on their return. Will it happen? Doubt it... But I do hope. 
Nigel and the board made an art out of maximising funding from Wales. We have an £8m squad. At least £2m ahead of any other region. If we are to compete at the latter stages of Europe, we need some of the best players in the world, and loaning them out to Wales for 40% of the year while paying 80% of the wages is a decent strategy, albeit it's backfired this year. No one would have foreseen that.

I've no doubt at all that Glenn's methods will soon click and we will remain as the top performing Welsh side for the next season or two at least. 
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