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    Posted: 07 September 2020 at 1:34pm
I have become a new fan of the tour on Eurosport. The fitness levels of these guys is truly unbelievable. Also the commentary team are excellent in guiding you through the beautiful French countryside with daily recipes/wine matches etc. An all round good watch.
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Been a big fan of the race for many years. Usually limit myself to the ITV4 highlights package though. 
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A truly great sporting event which apparently is a great thing to attend in the flesh.  I’ve been hooked on it for years now but never got round to travelling to France to watch it.  
Some family members and friends have done so and say that it’s a great spectacle and well worth the time and money doing so.  Unfortunately it usually takes place during school term and this year hasn’t Ben any different, plus COVID-19 and self quarantining.
I watch it live at weekends but like you watch the tour highlights in the week.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 September 2020 at 6:22pm
Once caught a stage north east of Paris on the way to Compiegne, I think. It was a day when the riders were on a go slow for some disagreement with the race organisers. They passed by at a gentle pace with a buzz of conversation. No breakaway or stragglers either.

The competition for goodies thrown from the commercial caravan of sponsors etc was quite fierce. 

The idea of sitting by the road, in a group, watching a time trial provides entertainment through the day especially if supported by modern tech, is appealing. However, the practicalities of getting a good spot are many. 

It’s difficult to beat the glorious sights that the TV provides, though.
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Great to see the Clermont blue and yellow smoke yesterday and the flags today, while it heads up, down (repeat) and through the Massif Centrale 
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Great to see the Clermont blue and yellow smoke yesterday and the flags today, while it heads up, down (repeat) and through the Massif Centrale 

Yes its a truly beautiful area. Watching the final push on Friday's stage ( all steep uphill) wore me out just looking. These guys push themselves to exhaustion & beyond, get some sleep and do it all over again the following day. As professional sportsmen/women they certainly earn their money. 
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

A truly great sporting event which apparently is a great thing to attend in the flesh.  I’ve been hooked on it for years now but never got round to travelling to France to watch it.  
Some family members and friends have done so and say that it’s a great spectacle and well worth the time and money doing so.  Unfortunately it usually takes place during school term and this year hasn’t Ben any different, plus COVID-19 and self quarantining.
I watch it live at weekends but like you watch the tour highlights in the week.

it is indeed, though you need to know that - unless you are on a really steep upslope - the peloton shoots by in a few seconds, in a blur!

It's great fun, though. About an hour before the cyclists arrive, the publicity convoy passes through the villages, throwing out freebies to eager kids (and some adults). Some of the vehicles are 'altered' to represent the products - think 'Pimp My Ride' but with a commercial intent. One minicar was done up to look like a hamburger, but my favourite had an enormous 'dead bluebottle' upside down on the roof - advertising fly-spray!

INEOS definitely shot themselves in the foot this year, going with only one leader (Bernal) who seems to still be suffering with his back - it gave him trouble in his previous race - he's lost another 27 minutes (!) today. They should have taken Geraint Thomas, who came second in Tirreno-Adriatico, and is running into form nicely in time for the Giro d'Italia.

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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

A truly great sporting event which apparently is a great thing to attend in the flesh.  I’ve been hooked on it for years now but never got round to travelling to France to watch it.  
Some family members and friends have done so and say that it’s a great spectacle and well worth the time and money doing so.  Unfortunately it usually takes place during school term and this year hasn’t Ben any different, plus COVID-19 and self quarantining.
I watch it live at weekends but like you watch the tour highlights in the week.

it is indeed, though you need to know that - unless you are on a really steep upslope - the peloton shoots by in a few seconds, in a blur!

It's great fun, though. About an hour before the cyclists arrive, the publicity convoy passes through the villages, throwing out freebies to eager kids (and some adults). Some of the vehicles are 'altered' to represent the products - think 'Pimp My Ride' but with a commercial intent. One minicar was done up to look like a hamburger, but my favourite had an enormous 'dead bluebottle' upside down on the roof - advertising fly-spray!

INEOS definitely shot themselves in the foot this year, going with only one leader (Bernal) who seems to still be suffering with his back - it gave him trouble in his previous race - he's lost another 27 minutes (!) today. They should have taken Geraint Thomas, who came second in Tirreno-Adriatico, and is running into form nicely in time for the Giro d'Italia.


You are right about Ineos. They clearly have internal problems getting their egos in line. Geraint & Bernal both were not prepared not to be the team leader. Don't know why they didn't play it as in previous years and see who was in best condition after the first two weeks. They have missed Geraint's abilities no doubt. Jumbo-Visma on the other hand have played a blinder controlling from the front and giving Roglic an armchair ride. Dumoulin & his teammates have been totally selfless. 

Still not over of course but its going to take an almighty effort from one of the top 4/5 contenders to beat Roglic. Watch out for Podgecar on today's stage. He's got the firepower to beat his friend & fellow Slovenian.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

A truly great sporting event which apparently is a great thing to attend in the flesh.  I’ve been hooked on it for years now but never got round to travelling to France to watch it.  
Some family members and friends have done so and say that it’s a great spectacle and well worth the time and money doing so.  Unfortunately it usually takes place during school term and this year hasn’t Ben any different, plus COVID-19 and self quarantining.
I watch it live at weekends but like you watch the tour highlights in the week.

it is indeed, though you need to know that - unless you are on a really steep upslope - the peloton shoots by in a few seconds, in a blur!

It's great fun, though. About an hour before the cyclists arrive, the publicity convoy passes through the villages, throwing out freebies to eager kids (and some adults). Some of the vehicles are 'altered' to represent the products - think 'Pimp My Ride' but with a commercial intent. One minicar was done up to look like a hamburger, but my favourite had an enormous 'dead bluebottle' upside down on the roof - advertising fly-spray!

INEOS definitely shot themselves in the foot this year, going with only one leader (Bernal) who seems to still be suffering with his back - it gave him trouble in his previous race - he's lost another 27 minutes (!) today. They should have taken Geraint Thomas, who came second in Tirreno-Adriatico, and is running into form nicely in time for the Giro d'Italia.


You are right about Ineos. They clearly have internal problems getting their egos in line. Geraint & Bernal both were not prepared not to be the team leader. Don't know why they didn't play it as in previous years and see who was in best condition after the first two weeks. They have missed Geraint's abilities no doubt. Jumbo-Visma on the other hand have played a blinder controlling from the front and giving Roglic an armchair ride. Dumoulin & his teammates have been totally selfless. 

Still not over of course but its going to take an almighty effort from one of the top 4/5 contenders to beat Roglic. Watch out for Podgecar on today's stage. He's got the firepower to beat his friend & fellow Slovenian.

An excellent summary.

INEOS should have gone with two leaders, Bernal and Geraint - and let the road decide - as in previous years. It was daft to only pick Bernal, given doubts - since borne out - about his fitness. Brailsford, of course, is taking a Trump-like line, and admits to no mistakes.

Although Jumbo-Visma are by a long way the strongest team, I wonder if Pogacar has enough of an edge in the mountains to outlast Roglic and steal enough time to win the tour? Usually, you need team-mates; we'll see if he can hang in there and cause a shock - he has the  individual talent.




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Bernal only won the tour last year because he had the support of Geraint. Bernal is a good rider but he hasnt shown any form similar to last years win, yet he wasnt dropped like geraint and froome. Brainsford has dropped a right clanger in not choosing either froome or geraint. On form, Ineos havent a real condender for the tour
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Bernal only won the tour last year because he had the support of Geraint. Bernal is a good rider but he hasnt shown any form similar to last years win, yet he wasnt dropped like geraint and froome. Brainsford has dropped a right clanger in not choosing either froome or geraint. On form, Ineos havent a real condender for the tour

Froome would have been no use, as he hasn't recovered fully yet from that really bad crash - he was miles behind in the Tirreno-Adritatico race last week. Geraint was second - 'nuff said!
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Geraint would be in top 5 today no probs. He akways lifts his game to big races. Froome, i agree, has dropped back. I think geraint would have done a far better job in the mountains.
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In fairness to Brailsford Ineos did go to the tour with two leaders- Bernal and the winner of last year’s Giro (can’t remember his name). Before the tour Geraint’s form wasn’t that great so I can understand why they didn’t pick him. A mistake, yes, but not a clanger in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

In fairness to Brailsford Ineos did go to the tour with two leaders- Bernal and the winner of last year’s Giro (can’t remember his name). Before the tour Geraint’s form wasn’t that great so I can understand why they didn’t pick him. A mistake, yes, but not a clanger in my opinion.

I might concede that Carapaz wasn't a bad call - he had a decent ride today out in front, until he got passed in the last few km - but picking Bernal was daft, given his injury problem which led to him quitting his previous race. You don't take on the TDF carrying an injury. Besides, the rest of the squad have not been up to snuff - if they had to go with Bernal (as the holder), adding Geraint and Carapaz would have made the team stronger overall, and harder to mark.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

In fairness to Brailsford Ineos did go to the tour with two leaders- Bernal and the winner of last year’s Giro (can’t remember his name). Before the tour Geraint’s form wasn’t that great so I can understand why they didn’t pick him. A mistake, yes, but not a clanger in my opinion.

I might concede that Carapaz wasn't a bad call - he had a decent ride today out in front, until he got passed in the last few km - but picking Bernal was daft, given his injury problem which led to him quitting his previous race. You don't take on the TDF carrying an injury. Besides, the rest of the squad have not been up to snuff - if they had to go with Bernal (as the holder), adding Geraint and Carapaz would have made the team stronger overall, and harder to mark.
If Bernal was injured before the Tour then I agree completely. Wasn’t aware that he’d picked up the niggle beforehand, I’d just assumed that it was something he suffered during the tour. 
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Apparently he had a back injury. To be fair to Bernal he outrode both Geraint & Froome in the build up events but Geraint, as can be seen by his recent performance, was building his fitness. Froome at the moment is way off the pace in his recovery from horrific injuries. The importance of having a strong focused team is not rocket science to Brailsford so he must carry the can.
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