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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/heartbroken-mum-teen-who-killed-8518826.amp
Yet the girl just walks away, destroying a famliy
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I understand what your saying, but I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say. If someone falsely accuses (deliberately) for any other reason than being malicious or vindictive, then they should be named and shamed.
If they named alleged victims of sexual assault very few genuine victims would come forward. There's no way in hell she should be named.

No one should be Ned before rhough, that's the point until proven guilty
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I understand what your saying, but I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say. If someone falsely accuses (deliberately) for any other reason than being malicious or vindictive, then they should be named and shamed.
If they named alleged victims of sexual assault very few genuine victims would come forward. There's no way in hell she should be named.
My point exactly.
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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I understand what your saying, but I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say. If someone falsely accuses (deliberately) for any other reason than being malicious or vindictive, then they should be named and shamed.
If they named alleged victims of sexual assault very few genuine victims would come forward. There's no way in hell she should be named.
My point exactly.

And the other point being those that where accused shouldn't have been named till proven guil
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I understand what your saying, but I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say. If someone falsely accuses (deliberately) for any other reason than being malicious or vindictive, then they should be named and shamed.
If they named alleged victims of sexual assault very few genuine victims would come forward. There's no way in hell she should be named.


if its a malicious attempt in tarnishing someone's name, when clearly nothing has occured, I think it would be acceptable. Obviously if there has been some kind of incident, then no. common sense please
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And those 35 false allegations should end with the accuser going down then?


or at least named.
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Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I understand what your saying, but I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say. If someone falsely accuses (deliberately) for any other reason than being malicious or vindictive, then they should be named and shamed.
If they named alleged victims of sexual assault very few genuine victims would come forward. There's no way in hell she should be named.
My point exactly.

And the other point being those that where accused shouldn't have been named till proven guil


Yes. but it doesn't work that way.
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Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

And those 35 false allegations should end with the accuser going down then?


or at least named.

[beep] that if if be wrongly accused and innocent then I'd do my best to get her going down. It's equally as bad IMO.
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

And those 35 false allegations should end with the accuser going down then?


or at least named.

[beep] that if if be wrongly accused and innocent then I'd do my best to get her going down. It's equally as bad IMO.


I agree. There must be justice the other way round too. In that instance the accused becomes the victim.
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As I understand it, there was no dispute as what happened in this case; it was whether consent was given. Under those circumstances, it might be better for complete anonymity of all the people involved. Better but completely impractical as two of the defendents were such high profile players.

No matter what, the two Ulster players put their own careers at risk by their tawdry and risky behaviour. They have put their club- and country- to alot of inconvenience in finding replacements (particularly at flyhalf). I hope boys in our academy receive lots of education about the very real dangers of being a top class sportsman.
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

And those 35 false allegations should end with the accuser going down then?


or at least named.

[beep] that if if be wrongly accused and innocent then I'd do my best to get her going down. It's equally as bad IMO.
My god. What a stupid thing to say. Like I said earlier, if you accuse someone of theft or assault, and they turn out to be innocent, are you a criminal? No.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Sosban bach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2018 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

And those 35 false allegations should end with the accuser going down then?


or at least named.

[beep] that if if be wrongly accused and innocent then I'd do my best to get her going down. It's equally as bad IMO.
My god. What a stupid thing to say. Like I said earlier, if you accuse someone of theft or assault, and they turn out to be innocent, are you a criminal? No.

How do yo manage to get wrongly accused of assault? Not stupid at all. If you're happy with being accused of something you haven't done and probably had threats of all kinds, job lost, family threatened because of nothing then you're just twp. People have developed mental health issues and sometimes taken their life over the stress of wing wrongly accused but it's all fine according to you just go about accusing whoever it's you're right.
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

And those 35 false allegations should end with the accuser going down then?


or at least named.

[beep] that if if be wrongly accused and innocent then I'd do my best to get her going down. It's equally as bad IMO.
My god. What a stupid thing to say. Like I said earlier, if you accuse someone of theft or assault, and they turn out to be innocent, are you a criminal? No.

How do yo manage to get wrongly accused of assault? Not stupid at all. If you're happy with being accused of something you haven't done and probably had threats of all kinds, job lost, family threatened because of nothing then you're just twp. People have developed mental health issues and sometimes taken their life over the stress of wing wrongly accused but it's all fine according to you just go about accusing whoever it's you're right.
There’s a clear difference between there being a false accusation and there being enough evidence to convict someone “beyond reasonable doubt” of rape.
If you can’t understand that then I’m wasting my time.
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It doesnt help when the police have been proven to have withheld evidence for the defence in 1000s 0f cases
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The republic of ireland keeps the accused anonymous too until proven guilty. I heard one a report said last year that of all cases, approx 5% are found guilty , approx 5% are proven to complete lies and theres an enormous 90% in between where the accused is found not guilty based on either evidence or lack of evidence. 

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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

And those 35 false allegations should end with the accuser going down then?


or at least named.

[beep] that if if be wrongly accused and innocent then I'd do my best to get her going down. It's equally as bad IMO.
It's not as straight forward as that though is it. That poor girl has been through enough
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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