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Originally posted by Winston Winston wrote:

Yeah. If you don’t want success

Yes we don't want success just like Ireland who only pick Irish based players. Open your eyes.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Winston Winston wrote:

Yeah. If you don’t want success


Yes we don't want success just like Ireland who only pick Irish based players. Open your eye UIs.


Absolutely spot on.
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Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Winston Winston wrote:

Yeah. If you don’t want success


Yes we don't want success just like Ireland who only pick Irish based players. Open your eye UIs.


Absolutely spot on.

Looks like Huw Jones may be off to Leicester Tigers at the end of season. Glasgow & Pro14 losing Jones, Hogg and Russell all in 2 seasons.

I am delighted the 60 cap WRU rule is in place when I see things like that happening!

People have got to see the bigger picture!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2018 at 11:55am
Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Winston Winston wrote:

Yeah. If you don’t want success


Yes we don't want success just like Ireland who only pick Irish based players. Open your eye UIs.


Absolutely spot on.

Looks like Huw Jones may be off to Leicester Tigers at the end of season. Glasgow & Pro14 losing Jones, Hogg and Russell all in 2 seasons.

I am delighted the 60 cap WRU rule is in place when I see things like that happening!

People have got to see the bigger picture!

Yes you are spot on Owen. Lets not forget Nakarawa also left a couple of years ago for Racing. When you lose experienced Internationals it gets very difficult to replace as we have found with Liam, Scott & Barclay.
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On that point I read that Liam intends to take up his 3rd year option with Saracens so he won't be looking to come back to Wales until 2020/21. He may not come then of course because he will probably be up to the 60 cap limit by then. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletnut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2018 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Winston Winston wrote:

Yeah. If you don’t want success


Yes we don't want success just like Ireland who only pick Irish based players. Open your eye UIs.


Absolutely spot on.

Looks like Huw Jones may be off to Leicester Tigers at the end of season. Glasgow & Pro14 losing Jones, Hogg and Russell all in 2 seasons.

I am delighted the 60 cap WRU rule is in place when I see things like that happening!

People have got to see the bigger picture!
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Wales having their most successful ai’s ever and Ireland beating the ab’s shows signs that this ruling does give success. It’s basically telling the players you can’t eat your cake and have it.
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The mass exodus hurt our golden generation under roger lewis and may have cost us a world cup and a few grand slams....between 2014 and 2018 wales had a far better squad than england imo but have underachieved partly as so much of the squad was spread to all corners
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I agree re irish model is something to emulate....Theyre a small nation too whose national sport is gaelic and hurling...not to forget horse racing , golf etc But they make the best of what they have with their set up. They have the player welfare like us, they have central contracts like us, though they have way more central contracts than us...theyre in all the same competitions too. Though they have bigger crowds and more central funding. I think our regions get approx £5 million each now , inc tv money. Thats more than double what it was 15 yrs ago.

We need to really embrace the pro 14 and talk it up and make the best of it...I am not particularly enamoured with the english league tbh ...The pro 14 offers way more styles , cultures, locations, etc Its a far richer mix and should develop test players just as well if not better..It also helps strengthen all of celtic and italian rugby, which benefits us all.
Its high time too everyone quits bashing regional rugby , its here and its here to stay

Where were we pre 2003 regional rugby? Ummm we hadnt won a grand slam for 25 years, just two 6 nations titles in 24 years...half decent 2003 world cup showing after quarter finals in previous world cup...ranked about 10 in the world....the scarlets were the only team making the quarters in europe. 
Now we not only have 2 grand slams, another 6 nations title, 3 wins out of 4 over the springboks, vast numbers of lions players capped, top 3 in the world, just beaten aussie....weve got the under 20s team back. The wru has fallen by over £50 million to a mere £9.4 million. 

2 of the regions have brand new stadiums, the other 2 have brand new pitches and a fair bit of stadium redevelopment and the state of the art training facilities. The academies are churing out talent. The under 20s regions are up and running...the regional revenues are  

The heineken and the 6 nations are the envy of the world. The pro 14 can become a great competition and a lucrative one too 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

The mass exodus hurt our golden generation under roger lewis and may have cost us a world cup and a few grand slams....between 2014 and 2018 wales had a far better squad than england imo but have underachieved partly as so much of the squad was spread to all corners

2011 was our best chance of reaching a final of a World Cup and probably a red for Sam instead of a yellow did for us that day. Our 2015 campaign was hit by injuries and lack of depth which certainly appears to be being addressed. As for us being better than England I have my doubts & we, during 2014-2018 have not been better than both England & Ireland. Having both at home in the upcoming 6 nations could give us a decent crack at a Grand Slam which would be a hell of a boost for Japan. 

I think the full Welsh team as of today would beat the full England side of today but to beat the Irish we are going to need to improve our carrying, discipline ( they only conceded 2 pens against NZ) & aerial defence. The Irish forwards are relentless & need to be challenged on the gainline both offensively and defensively. I still worry about Gatlands favoured style of play though - he's a natural conservative and Ireland's successful shutting out of NZ will only have increased his view that defence can win the big games. He doesn't seem to realise that Ireland win these big games by getting 60+% of possession and their accuracy & discipline wear down opponents. As yet we do not have a pack who can give us that luxury. We struggle to get 40% possession so we need to use the ball very efficiently hence the need for Patchell, in my opinion. 
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Although Lewis did get the WRU into stronger financial shape by his obsession on getting the stadium debt substantially paid off-which has all but happened now. Apart from that his reign was one of misery for the country ..
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

The mass exodus hurt our golden generation under roger lewis and may have cost us a world cup and a few grand slams....between 2014 and 2018 wales had a far better squad than england imo but have underachieved partly as so much of the squad was spread to all corners

2011 was our best chance of reaching a final of a World Cup and probably a red for Sam instead of a yellow did for us that day. Our 2015 campaign was hit by injuries and lack of depth which certainly appears to be being addressed. As for us being better than England I have my doubts & we, during 2014-2018 have not been better than both England & Ireland. Having both at home in the upcoming 6 nations could give us a decent crack at a Grand Slam which would be a hell of a boost for Japan. 

I think the full Welsh team as of today would beat the full England side of today but to beat the Irish we are going to need to improve our carrying, discipline ( they only conceded 2 pens against NZ) & aerial defence. The Irish forwards are relentless & need to be challenged on the gainline both offensively and defensively. I still worry about Gatlands favoured style of play though - he's a natural conservative and Ireland's successful shutting out of NZ will only have increased his view that defence can win the big games. He doesn't seem to realise that Ireland win these big games by getting 60+% of possession and their accuracy & discipline wear down opponents. As yet we do not have a pack who can give us that luxury. We struggle to get 40% possession so we need to use the ball very efficiently hence the need for Patchell, in my opinion. 

I think we had a better team than england during this period. Their selection has been a mess. No specialists at 6 and 7, an 8 thats always injured. They can never decide on their centres and fly half. Their full back is strong but mindless. Their wing selection is inconsistent, may and nowell and tidy but no better than our wingers imho...front row theyre nothing special, they edged us at lock
Ireland is a different matter. Theyre ticking all the boxes. Home grown talent, large powerful provinces, well financed with £40 million central funding between the 4 of them. And larger crowds. Munster Ulster and Leinster must average over 15000 per match...welsh regions are nearer 8000 average

We made it a bit easier for our opponents as we lost all a load of players from regional rugby who got flogged in other leagues, throw in 2 lions tours and our depth was hurt. with the vast bulk back in wales we see far more synergy between players coaches regions gatland and theyre better prepared and better looked after. Yes roger lewis rushed the debt down, but Im glad hes gone. Glad his buddy pickering has gone too


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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On that point I read that Liam intends to take up his 3rd year option with Saracens so he won't be looking to come back to Wales until 2020/21. He may not come then of course because he will probably be up to the 60 cap limit by then. 


But surely by signing his extenssion he becomes affected by the 60 cap law which will prevent him going to the world cup because he has already,or just ready to, sign. It is a new deal which negates his current deal with scarecens.
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Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On that point I read that Liam intends to take up his 3rd year option with Saracens so he won't be looking to come back to Wales until 2020/21. He may not come then of course because he will probably be up to the 60 cap limit by then. 


But surely by signing his extenssion he becomes affected by the 60 cap law which will prevent him going to the world cup because he has already,or just ready to, sign. It is a new deal which negates his current deal with scarecens.

unless he gets to 60 before he signs it...is it possible to gain 10 caps by then? I doubt it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mogwen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2018 at 7:08am
Only this sat and 6 nations before WC. Thatz only 6 caps
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On that point I read that Liam intends to take up his 3rd year option with Saracens so he won't be looking to come back to Wales until 2020/21. He may not come then of course because he will probably be up to the 60 cap limit by then. 


But surely by signing his extenssion he becomes affected by the 60 cap law which will prevent him going to the world cup because he has already,or just ready to, sign. It is a new deal which negates his current deal with scarecens.


unless he gets to 60 before he signs it...is it possible to gain 10 caps by then? I doubt it
He wouldn’t be signing a new contract he’d just be taking up the final year of his current contract meaning he would still be available to play for Wales. Tomas Francis has done exactly the same thing allowing him to remain at Exeter.
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