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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Boris was allowed to stay as Prime Minister by the Tory party and he repays them by not attending a cobra meeting to plan for the unprecedented high temperatures the UK are facing.
Instead, he chose to go to chequers to plan his leaving party, this weekend was supposed to be his wedding party at chequers but he was persuaded that it wouldn’t be seen favourably by the general public if it took place.
This just shows the levels of seriousness he takes the role of PM.  He was more than happy to stand in front of us every night during the first lockdown and tell us what we needed to do (as if he was some kind of martyr) and he was the first western leader to visit President Zylenzki, when again he believed that it would score him some brownie points, deflect the gaze away from Partygate, and buy him a bit more time as PM.
Yet as soon as he’s required to attend a meeting that is of importance but not so glamorous or high profile, he’s nowhere to be seen and sees that arranging his leaving party is of more importance.
The electorate has to take a lot of the blame for electing him as a prime minister with such a big margin.  This has given him cart Blanche to degrade the office of PM, to allow standards in government to reach the gutter and to destroy all confidence in politics.

The last election was a second referendum for brexit. People voted for that not him. 

Today Boris says that the next PM must ensure that Brexit is completed ! The next PM must also continue with the 'levelling up' agenda to protect Boris' legacy. 

Has Boris even started his leveling up agenda ? 


The last attempted, but pathetic hurrah of a failed PM.
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Boris was allowed to stay as Prime Minister by the Tory party and he repays them by not attending a cobra meeting to plan for the unprecedented high temperatures the UK are facing.
Instead, he chose to go to chequers to plan his leaving party, this weekend was supposed to be his wedding party at chequers but he was persuaded that it wouldn’t be seen favourably by the general public if it took place.
This just shows the levels of seriousness he takes the role of PM.  He was more than happy to stand in front of us every night during the first lockdown and tell us what we needed to do (as if he was some kind of martyr) and he was the first western leader to visit President Zylenzki, when again he believed that it would score him some brownie points, deflect the gaze away from Partygate, and buy him a bit more time as PM.
Yet as soon as he’s required to attend a meeting that is of importance but not so glamorous or high profile, he’s nowhere to be seen and sees that arranging his leaving party is of more importance.
The electorate has to take a lot of the blame for electing him as a prime minister with such a big margin.  This has given him cart Blanche to degrade the office of PM, to allow standards in government to reach the gutter and to destroy all confidence in politics.

Sadly his attitude now percolates other areas of the Government. 

Last week, first Patel, and then Raab, refused to appear before a parliamentary committee which scrutinises the work of the government. Their excuse is that there have been 'recent changes in government'. Boris said that he'd stay on so that government business would continue whilst a new PM is elected. HE'S LIED AGAIN.

He needs to leave today !
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Boris was allowed to stay as Prime Minister by the Tory party and he repays them by not attending a cobra meeting to plan for the unprecedented high temperatures the UK are facing.
Instead, he chose to go to chequers to plan his leaving party, this weekend was supposed to be his wedding party at chequers but he was persuaded that it wouldn’t be seen favourably by the general public if it took place.
This just shows the levels of seriousness he takes the role of PM.  He was more than happy to stand in front of us every night during the first lockdown and tell us what we needed to do (as if he was some kind of martyr) and he was the first western leader to visit President Zylenzki, when again he believed that it would score him some brownie points, deflect the gaze away from Partygate, and buy him a bit more time as PM.
Yet as soon as he’s required to attend a meeting that is of importance but not so glamorous or high profile, he’s nowhere to be seen and sees that arranging his leaving party is of more importance.
The electorate has to take a lot of the blame for electing him as a prime minister with such a big margin.  This has given him cart Blanche to degrade the office of PM, to allow standards in government to reach the gutter and to destroy all confidence in politics.

The last election was a second referendum for brexit. People voted for that not him. 
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I like him too, like you said though, it’s a big shame that he’s no longer an MP.
He’s another like Andy Burnham - they run for the top position, lose out and feel that politics is no longer for them.
Wouldn’t rule out a Burnham comeback. After all, he’s still in the mix albeit from Manchester Mayor (iirc). Stewart, I’m not sure what he’s doing.
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I like him too, like you said though, it’s a big shame that he’s no longer an MP.
He’s another like Andy Burnham - they run for the top position, lose out and feel that politics is no longer for them.
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Having a PM where their motivation is not all self-centred, as has been the case most recently, would be a step forward.

Rory Stewart would’ve been ideal. However, that ship sailed…
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So Boris was allowed to stay as Prime Minister by the Tory party and he repays them by not attending a cobra meeting to plan for the unprecedented high temperatures the UK are facing.
Instead, he chose to go to chequers to plan his leaving party, this weekend was supposed to be his wedding party at chequers but he was persuaded that it wouldn’t be seen favourably by the general public if it took place.
This just shows the levels of seriousness he takes the role of PM.  He was more than happy to stand in front of us every night during the first lockdown and tell us what we needed to do (as if he was some kind of martyr) and he was the first western leader to visit President Zylenzki, when again he believed that it would score him some brownie points, deflect the gaze away from Partygate, and buy him a bit more time as PM.
Yet as soon as he’s required to attend a meeting that is of importance but not so glamorous or high profile, he’s nowhere to be seen and sees that arranging his leaving party is of more importance.
The electorate has to take a lot of the blame for electing him as a prime minister with such a big margin.  This has given him cart Blanche to degrade the office of PM, to allow standards in government to reach the gutter and to destroy all confidence in politics.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

I'm generally trying to avoid it as much as someone interested in politics can, but I would say this leadership campaign is generating massive publicity for the Conservative Party with the media coverage of it. Of course it should be transparent but it's like seeing several election campaigns from the same party with no real challenges or differing points of view. Not really fair, in my eyes and this is going to go on for another two months. Also, I'd point out that if it were non-Conservatives simultaneously pledging the lowest tax ever along with huge investment into public services they'd be ripped to shreds for being delusional, having no grasp of economics and making false promises. How do these people get away with it? For those that accuse the BBC of being left-leaning, Tory politicians are given a very easy time by their political journalists.

Yes Dr. M - clearly the unwashed like you & I don't get it because the tax cuts and huge spending promises can be paid for by all the savings made by various departments many of which are currently being run by the very same ministers making those promises. 
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I'm generally trying to avoid it as much as someone interested in politics can, but I would say this leadership campaign is generating massive publicity for the Conservative Party with the media coverage of it. Of course it should be transparent but it's like seeing several election campaigns from the same party with no real challenges or differing points of view. Not really fair, in my eyes and this is going to go on for another two months. Also, I'd point out that if it were non-Conservatives simultaneously pledging the lowest tax ever along with huge investment into public services they'd be ripped to shreds for being delusional, having no grasp of economics and making false promises. How do these people get away with it? For those that accuse the BBC of being left-leaning, Tory politicians are given a very easy time by their political journalists.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Health in Wales and Scotland is devolved but as Westminster is the only government with tax raising powers, we are reliant on funding from Westminster, and as Wales has a labour government and Scotland have a SNP lead government, neither countries get enough money from Westminster to run the health. Service or social services efficiently and safely.
The Tory party surely can’t reduce funding to the NHS any more, let alone by up to 20%.  They have over the past 12 years, taken more and more funding out of the NHS, hence there are 40k nursing and 10 doctor vacancies. With terms and conditions so bad staff are leaving the profession early.  
This style of management has many negative knock on effects, such as a reliance on agency staff and Locums (who often cost twice the hourly rate of NHS staff, this then eats considerably into the finances of NHS Trusts, meaning that they then have to cut services elsewhere.

Doubt that the doctors and nurses get paid twice as much ! So can someone explain where the extra cash goes ? 

Got an idea that a lot may find its way to the coffers of the CEO of the agency companies.
I know that to be true as my cousin helped out in tenby hospital and she was getting silly money,too many chiefs and not enough indians,)not racist)

Yep. Nurses who work in other hospitals now and again can earn a fortune. 
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Don't  forget the NHS will also be effected by the 10% inflation that's coming along the track.  That means that money meant for clinical services  will have to be used for increased costs in energy, food, drugs, surgical equipment etc.  
So let's  cut general taxes and corporation tax and wait for years for the economic boost to kick in , by which time waiting times will be double what they are now.
Maybe the plan is to cull a million of the elderly and infirm and then we won't  need the fantasy 40 new hospitals and 100,000 doctors and nurses.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Health in Wales and Scotland is devolved but as Westminster is the only government with tax raising powers, we are reliant on funding from Westminster, and as Wales has a labour government and Scotland have a SNP lead government, neither countries get enough money from Westminster to run the health. Service or social services efficiently and safely.
The Tory party surely can’t reduce funding to the NHS any more, let alone by up to 20%.  They have over the past 12 years, taken more and more funding out of the NHS, hence there are 40k nursing and 10 doctor vacancies. With terms and conditions so bad staff are leaving the profession early.  
This style of management has many negative knock on effects, such as a reliance on agency staff and Locums (who often cost twice the hourly rate of NHS staff, this then eats considerably into the finances of NHS Trusts, meaning that they then have to cut services elsewhere.

Doubt that the doctors and nurses get paid twice as much ! So can someone explain where the extra cash goes ? 

Got an idea that a lot may find its way to the coffers of the CEO of the agency companies.
I know that to be true as my cousin helped out in tenby hospital and she was getting silly money,too many chiefs and not enough indians,)not racist)
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Health in Wales and Scotland is devolved but as Westminster is the only government with tax raising powers, we are reliant on funding from Westminster, and as Wales has a labour government and Scotland have a SNP lead government, neither countries get enough money from Westminster to run the health. Service or social services efficiently and safely.
The Tory party surely can’t reduce funding to the NHS any more, let alone by up to 20%.  They have over the past 12 years, taken more and more funding out of the NHS, hence there are 40k nursing and 10 doctor vacancies. With terms and conditions so bad staff are leaving the profession early.  
This style of management has many negative knock on effects, such as a reliance on agency staff and Locums (who often cost twice the hourly rate of NHS staff, this then eats considerably into the finances of NHS Trusts, meaning that they then have to cut services elsewhere.

Doubt that the doctors and nurses get paid twice as much ! So can someone explain where the extra cash goes ? 

Got an idea that a lot may find its way to the coffers of the CEO of the agency companies.
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Health in Wales and Scotland is devolved but as Westminster is the only government with tax raising powers, we are reliant on funding from Westminster, and as Wales has a labour government and Scotland have a SNP lead government, neither countries get enough money from Westminster to run the health. Service or social services efficiently and safely.
The Tory party surely can’t reduce funding to the NHS any more, let alone by up to 20%.  They have over the past 12 years, taken more and more funding out of the NHS, hence there are 40k nursing and 10 doctor vacancies. With terms and conditions so bad staff are leaving the profession early.  
This style of management has many negative knock on effects, such as a reliance on agency staff and Locums (who often cost twice the hourly rate of NHS staff, this then eats considerably into the finances of NHS Trusts, meaning that they then have to cut services elsewhere.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Health is deviolved isn’t it? How are the nhs in wales and scotland doing compared to england?

As you’ve seen with Covid, it’s hard for the devolved nations to do anything and get away with it when the people in London rule the roost. What do you expect Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to do with the funding they receive? 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Health is deviolved isn’t it? How are the nhs in wales and scotland doing compared to england?

Just as bad, I'd imagine. It's probably also very area-dependent in England as well. But if it's lack of funding then that is hard for the devolved nations to fix, no? They don't control taxation and are always asking Westminster for more money. E.g. there's still room for a Prime Minister to prioritise health and improve it, UK-wide. I don't think I'm wrong in saying that. 
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