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Originally posted by seal seal wrote:

Don't think Drovers will have either Pete, Adam or Emyr for the Wednesday match to be honest. Playing Devils advocate here but Llanelli get the first roll of the dice regarding Scarlets players. We have not had that many all season to be honest- Josh Turnbull used to turn out but went to Carm Quins boxing day on his return from injury. Pete used to be at the Drovers but now as Dan the Drover says is  with Llanelli. However it has been a great season for the Drovers using only 40 or so players all season including the 8-10 Scarlets players- Andy Fenby played once and Ruki Tipuna twice if my memory serves me right whilst he was playing out the end of his contract.Not bad for a club that is more often or not languishing at the wrong end of the table. It will be a huge ask to gain a bonus point win at Sardis road on Wednesday whilst denying them any points at all. Some injury problems to negotiate as well. The players and management should be very proud of all they have done this season. Doing the double over Cardiff, Aberavon, Swansea, Newport, Carm Quins,Bridgend is not to be sniffed at. If the season came down to one game it would be the loss away to Bedwas when we had been ahead virtually the whole game. Good luck for next season and well done.Clap


you say that llanelli have the first roll of the dice but say that Josh went to the Quins, and Pete has gone to Llanelli, even tho he's played for you all season and only played 1 game for llanelli when they had a prop shortage and you didnt have a game that wknd..
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Originally posted by Dan the Drover Dan the Drover wrote:


Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

Llanelli only had 2 props for the pontypool game so they needed another prop.
why couldnt Pete play for the Drovers if he's already played for them this season ?


I guess Pontypridd might complain - but why does it make any difference whether he's played for the Drovers or not?   Although the WP is only a development league as far as the WRU and the regions are concerned, I think it should still be respected as a competition because for some teams and supporters it's the only rugby they follow.  I thought the latest policy was to allocate regional players to the feeder/farm clubs, but obviously it isn't, unless the Meat has now "permanently" transferred to Llanelli RFC as Rhodri did.  I guess we'll see, but I'm not expecting to be able to put out our strongest team of the season for the Ponty game.   So, no pressure on the Drovers as far as I'm concerned.  Smile


you said ponty would complain if he played for the Drovers. i asked why, when he's played for the Drovers all season (and only played 1 game for Llanelli when you didnt have a game).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote supertaf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 April 2012 at 12:05pm
I really hope the Drovers are well supported by the region for Wednesday, why not? Fair amount of negativity about Llanelli getting the favours still exists I see - I thought that had been put to bed?
IMHO the Drovers should have Adam, Rhodri, Emyr, Pete, Damien and Kieran available as they are all Drovers players. Plus they can have some extras under the rules so let's sort it out. That would really get under Ponty's skin  - Excellent !! LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote supertaf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 April 2012 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by Dan the Drover Dan the Drover wrote:

Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Dan, I really don't get how Pete can play for both the Drovers and Llanelli in the same season?! Confused
 
Aren't there any rules about it??
 
With the Scarlets not playing next weekend, I'd expect Adam, Emyr and possibly 1 other player from the Scarlets back with the Drovers for the match against Ponty TBH.


Pete is presumably contracted to the Scarlets, so they can play him where they like, I guess.  It's a bit disappointing, TBH, because we thought there had been a change of policy since last season, and it's not as if you badly needed a front-line prop against Pooler.  So I'm assuming the worse, that the Meat is now a Llanelli RFC player - he certainly wouldn't be allowed to play for the Drovers on Tuesday, or Ponty would quite rightly complain.  He's been great for us, and I hope he does well for you. I doubt Nigel Davies will release anyone who's played today - he has to look after his players welfare, and I would imagine he cares as much about the premiership as Gatland does about the Rabo12.  Smile.
Dan I really think you should check out the facts before making comment. That statement above is utter nonsense.... To disprove it easily, Rhodri Williams played for Llanelli against Bedford but he's still a drover...
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

To disprove it easily, Rhodri Williams played for Llanelli against Bedford but he's still a drover...


Didn't know that, but it's just as well the Drovers weren't in the BIC this year, or that would surely have cup-tied Rhodri.  And since all the WP are in the BIC next season, we'll need to be careful about swapping players between feeders for the hell of it.  I think that should apply to the league as well.  No problem with moving what are, after all, the Scarlets own players around, but each such move should be "permanent", in my view.
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But doesn't that defeat the whole point of regional rugby.
The Scarlets have 3 feeder clubs, Quins, Drovers and Llanelli.
The region has a large pot of players that need to get regular rugby
It's almost like central contacts where the region ensure that each side has shortfalls covered game on game.
What would the point be of Llanelli failing to fulfil a fixture due to prop problems when the Quins have 6 fit props?
The Drovers don't seem to have fully accepted the regional feeder concept if you want fixed squads.
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ST, you are right.
 
While it's nice to have players 'fixed' to certain feeder clubs, at times there have to be exceptions - like last week when the RFC didn't have enough fit props and drafted Pete in, who is a Drovers regular.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 April 2012 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

Originally posted by Dan the Drover Dan the Drover wrote:


Originally posted by TonduTurk TonduTurk wrote:

Llanelli only had 2 props for the pontypool game so they needed another prop.
why couldnt Pete play for the Drovers if he's already played for them this season ?


I guess Pontypridd might complain - but why does it make any difference whether he's played for the Drovers or not?   Although the WP is only a development league as far as the WRU and the regions are concerned, I think it should still be respected as a competition because for some teams and supporters it's the only rugby they follow.  I thought the latest policy was to allocate regional players to the feeder/farm clubs, but obviously it isn't, unless the Meat has now "permanently" transferred to Llanelli RFC as Rhodri did.  I guess we'll see, but I'm not expecting to be able to put out our strongest team of the season for the Ponty game.   So, no pressure on the Drovers as far as I'm concerned.  Smile


you said ponty would complain if he played for the Drovers. i asked why, when he's played for the Drovers all season (and only played 1 game for Llanelli when you didnt have a game).


Because Ponty are Ponty ... very bitter .... Living on expectations & past glory ! I wish all our Premiership sides could have a setup where the sides aren't ripped apart every week to cover injuries in the Scarlets ... I suppose that's what happens when you buy into regionalisation !
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

But doesn't that defeat the whole point of regional rugby.
The Scarlets have 3 feeder clubs, Quins, Drovers and Llanelli.
The region has a large pot of players that need to get regular rugby
It's almost like central contacts where the region ensure that each side has shortfalls covered game on game.
What would the point be of Llanelli failing to fulfil a fixture due to prop problems when the Quins have 6 fit props?
The Drovers don't seem to have fully accepted the regional feeder concept if you want fixed squads.


That's exactly what it's like.  So when central contracts come in, do you expect our international players to switch regions to get game time or make up for injuries?  Why would you object, assuming you accept that regions are only there to develop players for Team Wales.  Smile

I don't know what the Drovers management expect, but I do know the supporters welcomed the allocation of some named Scarlets players - not all of them original developed by the Drovers - to their squad, on the understanding that these would not always be available when expected to appear for the region. They didn't much like the previous system of parachuting in a regional player on occasions when they needed game time, were recovering from injury, or were in the middle of attitude rehabilitation.
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Originally posted by Dan the Drover Dan the Drover wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

But doesn't that defeat the whole point of regional rugby.
The Scarlets have 3 feeder clubs, Quins, Drovers and Llanelli.
The region has a large pot of players that need to get regular rugby
It's almost like central contacts where the region ensure that each side has shortfalls covered game on game.
What would the point be of Llanelli failing to fulfil a fixture due to prop problems when the Quins have 6 fit props?
The Drovers don't seem to have fully accepted the regional feeder concept if you want fixed squads.



That's exactly what it's like.  So when central contracts come in, do you expect our international players to switch regions to get game time or make up for injuries?  Why would you object, assuming you accept that regions are only there to develop players for Team Wales.  Smile

I don't know what the Drovers management expect, but I do know the supporters welcomed the allocation of some named Scarlets players - not all of them original developed by the Drovers - to their squad, on the understanding that these would not always be available when expected to appear for the region. They didn't much like the previous system of parachuting in a regional player on occasions when they needed game time, were recovering from injury, or were in the middle of attitude rehabilitation.

I sincerely hope not but I wouldn't put anything past the good old WRU. My analogy was maybe slightly wrong as in a centrally contracted set-up you would only be allocated to one club per season generally whereas for the feeders it's game by game.

I think it works well and will support the Drovers 100% against the beasts from Sardis
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

My analogy was maybe slightly wrong as in a centrally contracted set-up you would only be allocated to one club per season generally whereas for the feeders it's game by game.


So why would it be necessary for you only to be allocated to one club per season in a centrally contracted system regional system?  Surely, shuffling players around to, say, do better in Heineken Cup games would surely give more of our internationals the chance to experience high pressure rugby?  Would you be happy for players who have played for Llanelli RFC to turn out for other feeders in your region, perhaps to play against Llanelli RFC?  And if not, why not?    Wink
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When is the semi-final and final?
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Come on Llandovery ,hope you pip Ponty to the play offs you deserve it .
 
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Originally posted by Dan the Drover Dan the Drover wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

My analogy was maybe slightly wrong as in a centrally contracted set-up you would only be allocated to one club per season generally whereas for the feeders it's game by game.


So why would it be necessary for you only to be allocated to one club per season in a centrally contracted system regional system?  Surely, shuffling players around to, say, do better in Heineken Cup games would surely give more of our internationals the chance to experience high pressure rugby?  Would you be happy for players who have played for Llanelli RFC to turn out for other feeders in your region, perhaps to play against Llanelli RFC?  And if not, why not?    Wink
not sure I follow you. In a true centrally contracted system, you would play for 1 club unless loaned out but that is at regional level. At premiership level the idea is to both give players regular rugby and also ensure that the feeder clubs are looked after. The scarlets do it properly unlike the other regions who fail in this regard. Look at how poor the whites are, where is their support? Rules exist already to stop players playing against their agreed parent club which makes perfect sense.
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May 19th is a saturday!
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Principality Pemiership Champions play-off format :-

Semi Final  Play-off Saturday 12th May ....Second v Third kick off 5pm

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