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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I dont agree with the term vaccine nationalism. It is the role of government to protect its own people.
Whilst we want a perfect world where everyone will sooner or later get this vaccine, its clearly not as simple as that and different countries have different issues, different strains, levels of infection, death rates, the virus reacts differently for various reasons in different climates and different places have much lower uptakes too etc 

 
This is spot on
 
will there be a surplus if we have to have these  injections annually?
 
Or do these vaccines have a shelf life
 
One thing I would be wary off is how some of these nations would distribute the vaccines, we have seen a lot of corruption in certain parts of the world
 
We need to ensure that vaccines donated reach the people it's intended to reach and not just the powerful elite and their allies in these nations
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I dont agree with the term vaccine nationalism. It is the role of government to protect its own people.
Whilst we want a perfect world where everyone will sooner or later get this vaccine, its clearly not as simple as that and different countries have different issues, different strains, levels of infection, death rates, the virus reacts differently for various reasons in different climates and different places have much lower uptakes too etc 

 
This is spot on
 
will there be a surplus if we have to have these  injections annually?
 
Or do these vaccines have a shelf life
 
One thing I would be wary off is how some of these nations would distribute the vaccines, we have seen a lot of corruption in certain parts of the world
 
We need to ensure that vaccines donated reach the people it's intended to reach and not just the powerful elite and their allies in these nations

They will have a shelf life. I suspect none will be long enough for use the following year.
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report in one paper today that everyone over 40 will be done by end of march,that would be terrific.
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report in one paper today that everyone over 40 will be done by end of march,that would be terrific.

Only one dose though. We need two.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

report in one paper today that everyone over 40 will be done by end of march,that would be terrific.

Only one dose though. We need two.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

report in one paper today that everyone over 40 will be done by end of march,that would be terrific.

Only one dose though. We need two.

True though it's still a good start.
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Meanwhile spare a thought for the fact 60% of deaths are disabled people and disabled people are NOT on the vaccine list. Theyre all just done in ages. Heres one crazy anomaly , tv / radio dj / presenter Jo whiley has been offered a jab but her sister who has a variety of health problems and disability and is currently fighting for her life has not been offered a jab. Politicians arent much on nuance and detail are they? One size does not fit all. People are all different complex individuals, particulalry those with more extensive health problems but none of these genius politicians factored this into their equations? How pathetic.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Meanwhile spare a thought for the fact 60% of deaths are disabled people and disabled people are NOT on the vaccine list. Theyre all just done in ages. Heres one crazy anomaly , tv / radio dj / presenter Jo whiley has been offered a jab but her sister who has a variety of health problems and disability and is currently fighting for her life has not been offered a jab. Politicians arent much on nuance and detail are they? One size does not fit all. People are all different complex individuals, particulalry those with more extensive health problems but none of these genius politicians factored this into their equations? How pathetic.

Well thats not exactly the case Roy - surely that is the whole reason for a shielding list which does get priority over vaccines if my facts are correct. How accurate the make up of that list is obviously open to question. 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Meanwhile spare a thought for the fact 60% of deaths are disabled people and disabled people are NOT on the vaccine list. Theyre all just done in ages. Heres one crazy anomaly , tv / radio dj / presenter Jo whiley has been offered a jab but her sister who has a variety of health problems and disability and is currently fighting for her life has not been offered a jab. Politicians arent much on nuance and detail are they? One size does not fit all. People are all different complex individuals, particulalry those with more extensive health problems but none of these genius politicians factored this into their equations? How pathetic.
Disabled list are such a wide group of people which probably means that some are at greater risk and others are not which is why a ‘disabled’ category isn’t on the list. However I’d imagine that most of the at risk disabled would be in the ‘clinically extremely vulnerable’ category (priority group 4).
In terms of the Joe Whiley case I believe (someone correct me if I’m wrong) that her sister lives in a care home where an outbreak was declared just before they were due to be vaccinated, meaning that the vaccinators couldn’t go in for another 28 days. That is what resulted in the anomaly where Joe Whiley was vaccinated before her sister, not that they didn’t prioritise her sister. Of course whether they were prioritised enough is another debate but I clearly don’t have any data about the mortality risk of people like Joe Whiley’s sister compared to over 75s.
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Meanwhile spare a thought for the fact 60% of deaths are disabled people and disabled people are NOT on the vaccine list. Theyre all just done in ages. Heres one crazy anomaly , tv / radio dj / presenter Jo whiley has been offered a jab but her sister who has a variety of health problems and disability and is currently fighting for her life has not been offered a jab. Politicians arent much on nuance and detail are they? One size does not fit all. People are all different complex individuals, particulalry those with more extensive health problems but none of these genius politicians factored this into their equations? How pathetic.
Disabled list are such a wide group of people which probably means that some are at greater risk and others are not which is why a ‘disabled’ category isn’t on the list. However I’d imagine that most of the at risk disabled would be in the ‘clinically extremely vulnerable’ category (priority group 4).
In terms of the Joe Whiley case I believe (someone correct me if I’m wrong) that her sister lives in a care home where an outbreak was declared just before they were due to be vaccinated, meaning that the vaccinators couldn’t go in for another 28 days. That is what resulted in the anomaly where Joe Whiley was vaccinated before her sister, not that they didn’t prioritise her sister. Of course whether they were prioritised enough is another debate but I clearly don’t have any data about the mortality risk of people like Joe Whiley’s sister compared to over 75s.

It appears they are not. No one I know with a disability has been contacted as part of the vulnerable group. Though I think downs syndrome was added in december. The BBC and the media never seem to ask about disabled people after a year of these sessions Ive not seen a specific question asked on this.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56125462
Pathetic behaviour. will he step down>?


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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I dont agree with the term vaccine nationalism. It is the role of government to protect its own people.
Whilst we want a perfect world where everyone will sooner or later get this vaccine, its clearly not as simple as that and different countries have different issues, different strains, levels of infection, death rates, the virus reacts differently for various reasons in different climates and different places have much lower uptakes too etc 


 
This is spot on
 
will there be a surplus if we have to have these  injections annually?
 
Or do these vaccines have a shelf life
 
One thing I would be wary off is how some of these nations would distribute the vaccines, we have seen a lot of corruption in certain parts of the world
 
We need to ensure that vaccines donated reach the people it's intended to reach and not just the powerful elite and their allies in these nations


They will have a shelf life. I suspect none will be long enough for use the following year.



Candidly pointing out that the UK has so far bought 460m doses of vaccine for a population ( over 16) of just under 50m ( x 2 doses)

For a moment, just imagine living in a country that couldn't afford any vaccine, then seeing others buy nearly equivalent to 3,4 or 5 times their population.
See UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, New Zeeland, Israel and EU bloc.

I'm not sure if it's acknowledged that this is a threat to mankind, not just the citizens of any country. Unless we fit out a global solution, then, in my view, it's actually no solution.

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Very promising results for Oxford AZ vaccine: 83% efficacy for two doses separated by three months. Guess the government and JCVI got it right if this study holds up.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Very promising results for Oxford AZ vaccine: 83% efficacy for two doses separated by three months. Guess the government and JCVI got it right if this study holds up.

good news
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

I dont agree with the term vaccine nationalism. It is the role of government to protect its own people.
Whilst we want a perfect world where everyone will sooner or later get this vaccine, its clearly not as simple as that and different countries have different issues, different strains, levels of infection, death rates, the virus reacts differently for various reasons in different climates and different places have much lower uptakes too etc 


 
This is spot on
 
will there be a surplus if we have to have these  injections annually?
 
Or do these vaccines have a shelf life
 
One thing I would be wary off is how some of these nations would distribute the vaccines, we have seen a lot of corruption in certain parts of the world
 
We need to ensure that vaccines donated reach the people it's intended to reach and not just the powerful elite and their allies in these nations


They will have a shelf life. I suspect none will be long enough for use the following year.



Candidly pointing out that the UK has so far bought 460m doses of vaccine for a population ( over 16) of just under 50m ( x 2 doses)

For a moment, just imagine living in a country that couldn't afford any vaccine, then seeing others buy nearly equivalent to 3,4 or 5 times their population.
See UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, New Zeeland, Israel and EU bloc.

I'm not sure if it's acknowledged that this is a threat to mankind, not just the citizens of any country. Unless we fit out a global solution, then, in my view, it's actually no solution.


Fair points I think the UK govt promised to ship millions to the countries in most need, not sure how many or when this will happen. I wouldnt put hancock in charge of that thoughWink
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Very promising results for Oxford AZ vaccine: 83% efficacy for two doses separated by three months. Guess the government and JCVI got it right if this study holds up.

good news

Data from Israel would suggest a high efficacy (80% +) of a single dose of Pfizer vaccine as well. Also justifying the Government and JCVI's decision. I still think it was a risk but it looks like it will pay off. May check those studies out in more detail for trial design later.

Next questions are impact on transmission and length of immunity provided. The latter will take years to know and will a single booster shot annually be required, when will the vaccine need to be modified to deal with mutation etc.

But one step at a time and let's get out of this lockdown first with a decent level of immunity in a decent number of people. I think social distancing and bubbles plus regular testing have to be maintained or the hard work could be undone. We can function with coronavirus as a low incidence virus but continual efforts will be needed to keep it as such, and quite what appetite there is for these measures is I don't know. 
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