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dyniol53
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Lol yeah i was enjoying the Jaco Johan banter earlier on in the week but 1 hour video to try and put pressure on the officials this Sat is well beyond the Lions questioning whether a TMO should be the same nationality as the the home country. I for one would welcome each coach having a 1 hour 'tear down' of every questionable refereeing decision after each game, only on the condition that a rival fan was allowed in the room/dialed in on zoom giving the coach sh*t for their partisan takes. "What's your 5 doing in that ruck Rassie?" "Are you sure your ruler is straight...?"
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A fair point Aber but whether they create chances through line breaks or defensive pressure forcing mistakes doesn't make a blind bit of difference when we look back at the result in weeks/months. I guess my biggest worry is this all happened in the 2nd half when the Boks were, in most opinions, tiring badly. The million rand question this week is how much better/fitter they will be for that game. They clearly knew that they needed to conserve energy last week as they had no problem kicking out on the full on many occasions. They will have worked very hard on the Lions lineout this week for sure - Lawes may well be singled out for some attention.
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aber-fan
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Yes, but the Lions made stupid errors when NOT under pressure, which was part of what I was trying to argue. If Gatland and Tandy have given them a bit of the old hair-drier treatment after the last game, I'd expect to see improvement tomorrow. And form SA as well, of course.
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SA a bit lucky with the cards, IMO - de Klerk with a high tackle on Murray, and the hooker doing a no-arm tackle 10m or less from the line... Kolbe could have seen a red, too...
Lions edging it ATM, but the breaks in play will suit SA, slowing the tempo... Murray a couple of times miles from the ruck, allowing SA to counter-ruck, and no-one else taking responsibility -Watson ran to the wing instead of claiming the ball. Ref not controlling the breakdown - far too messy, allowing SA players to go over and beyond the ball, and around the sides. He also doesn't insist on players releasing after the tackle - Mpimpi won one pen for 'not releasing', when he was part of the tackle and should have been penalised himself. I get the impression that the ref has been intimidated by the Erasmus blast, and is giving SA the benefit of any doubts there are. Lions still look a bit stronger overall, but it could go either way. |
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SA 27 Lions 9
Well, the Boks completely ruled that second half, winning nearly all the aerial battles and most of the breakdowns... if it was possible, I'd drop all of the back 3 on that performance! Surely, Liam and Adams must start next week, though in whose place I really don't know. Will they risk giving LRZ a run, too? He surely can't do any worse than the boys out there today. I won't say that the selection of Murray on place of Price was major factor, since there were so many breaks in play in the first half - but it didn't help. Biggar did what they asked of him, but maybe Russell is worth a shot. I'd bring Navidi into the back row, and maybe a big boy onto the bench in place of Beirne or Faletau - Beard or Hill... Lions were overpowered second half. TBH, after that SA will be strong favourites in the last test, but who knows? It's all to play for, now. Edit: Wyn Jones to come in, too - if fit.
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A complete hammering in the second half - the centres and the back 3 are the poorest combination I've ever seen in a Lions team. Selection of Scottish show-ponies for the tour also a disaster. George, Wyn Jones, Beirne, Falatau, Adams, Liam, at least have to start with Henshaw moving to 13 and Farrell/Aki at 12. LCD, Sinkler, MV to bench along with Lawes, Beard. Murray, Smith, Daly. Only AWJ, Currie, Itoje and Furlong can hold their heads up today. Biggar, Murray, Conan, Lawes were ordinary. The rest were imposters.
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Nothing less than what Gatland and co deserved. They picked poorly and got punished. Hogg,watson, vdm were poor( and thats being generous). The subs made no impact. Overall, the lions were a shsmbles. Completly lost the scrum, ariel battle and contact area. People are going to blame the ref, but you must adapt to how the ref interperets the game. Poor, poor
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KID A
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Anybody still sticking with Hogg at 15? |
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Smashed up front. Gave away far too many penalties and couldn't complete any phases. You could have the NZ backs behind the lions pack and it would not make any difference to the result.
Back three couldn't catch the high balls and our overall discipline was terrible. Got what we deserved.
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There’s no coming back from the pack being splintered like they were in the 2nd half.
To be competitive for an hour we need Wyn, Beirne and Faletau in the pack. Biggar and Farrell at 10/12, Adams and Sanjay. Even then the Bok bench is just too good. Edited by Wil Chips - 31 July 2021 at 8:25pm |
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...and no Scots near the 23 except, perhaps, Price.
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5 english forwards? why why why bottom of the 6 nations hammered twice lost at home to the scots? cawdor is by far the best scrum half of the lot, no idea why hes off the radar Whilst I accknowledge the lions have no class centres and struggling at half backs I still think gats has made a horlicks of selection......his back 3 is a shambles his back row a shambles and his loose head cant scrummage worst selections were of course dropping beirne and adams....after that faletau for conan? curry and watson are NOT better than navidi theyre just more hyped...murray is a busted flush, cawdor should start next week...back 3 change the lot...centres well its a shambles, there is no class, maybe aki ? farell no chance hes had a shcoking season....
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Gary will definitely earn his money if manages to turn this around next week. Completely smashed in the second half, lacking any game management when chasing the game, still playing the kick chase game (without the latter) when they were 14 points down summed them up really.
They caught the SAs cold last weekend due to their lack of preparation (no competitive game since World Cup final), but South Africa managed to play for 80 minutes today and looked more assured and cohesive this afternoon. Gatland’s selections (inc Murray and Biggar at halfbacks) meant that we were only likely to go through 1 or 2 phrases of play before choosing the aerial game, but then you have to win those aerial challenges. South Africa were better in those aerial battles and the lions had no game plan B when needed. Gatland will need to make some changes for the final test, but will he change his game plan, which failed to work today, I’m not too sure, we all know with Wales, he can be extremely stubborn when it comes to selections and his game plans
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Just watched it - iesu grist! Completely dominated.
Kid A proven correct on Hogg. Also think the Van Der Merwe sceptics probably proven right. Good news for Williams and Adams who ive never seen dominated like that under the high ball. Generally AWJ and Itoje fantastic, but neither of them were able to disrupt that SA maul (Adam Beard?!) Thought Curry was good too. Congratulations to Rassie Erasmus who’s bizarre interventions earned his team a few favourable calls today. Kolbe’s is a red all day, Faf de Klerk shoulder charged Murray to the head and that Am try wasn’t under control. But I can accept that SA got a raw deal last week so maybe this evens it out. Other than the back three I’m not sure where the lions turn!!
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finn russell?
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I am certainly not going to claim that the Lions deserved anything from that game, but your points in bold are correct... the ref team were intimidated by Erasmus, and went soft on SA. Kolbe's tackle on Murray is a red all day, but even if he gets away with that, he should have had another yellow for going in high and head-butting (accidentally, but that doesn't matter) a Lion - so two yellows make a red. Your other points are valid, too.
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